Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Yosyx, >  > I quite appreciate your comment, and am inclined to agree that the Aurobindo translation is not the most harmonious. My library is currently very limited at the moment, and the only other translation I have is that of Sir Edwin Arnold 's which is pure poetry, but does not number the verses. as he enjams them. My rendition was composed five years ago, and was meant for a popular or general readership omitting Sanskrit words where possible. I may have moved on a little since then and would not necessarily render it in the same way now.  Others may offer us a more harmonious translation perhaps. The chapter is no. 5. >  > All love and best wishes, >  > Alan > thank you, alan. i found on the net another rendering (by swami sivananda): Kaamakrodhaviyuktaanaam yateenaam yatachetasaam; Abhito brahma nirvaanam vartate viditaatmanaam. 26. Absolute freedom (or Brahmic bliss) exists on all sides for those self-controlled ascetics who are free from desire and anger, who have controlled their thoughts and who have realised the Self. anyway, the way i see it: self realization is not a state. it is the everpresent and all containing, timeless reality, clearly revealed when the aspirant abandons the mistaken self identity. realizing the absence of a self extinquishes all anger and desires, which stem from the self centered thoughts, intent on preservation of this non-exitent salf... yosy nnb  > here is another translation from > > --- On Sat, 20/9/08, yosyx <yosyflug wrote: > > yosyx <yosyflug > Re: Bhagavad Gita Study 26 > > Saturday, 20 September, 2008, 4:56 AM , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > The Song Celestial by Ramana Maharshi a study of the Bhagavad Gita. > Ramana chose the 42 most important verses in an order for spiritual > guidance from the 700. > > > > 26 . " BRAHMA NIRVANA lies around those who have freed themselves > from anger and desire, who have subdued their minds and have known > the Self. " V:26 > > > > Comment: > > > > A description of the Self Realised state. > > > > According to the Collected Works Glossary Brahma means Lord of > Creation; God as the Creator: and Nirvana is not mentioned. Another > glossary defines Nirvana as 'extinction, not necessarily of all > being, but of being as we know it; dissolution; disintergration; > extinction of ego, desire and egoistic action and mentality; nirvana- > paraman; self extinction supreme. (Aurobindo Glossary) Here one > questions why the Ashram translation done by Arthur Osborne and > Prof.Kolkarni does not use the term Brahman Nirvana as Brahman is the > Supreme Absolute and more in concordance with Advaita than Brahma the > Creator God? Do members have any views on that? > > > > My own 'popular' free poetic versification of the Gita (New Age > Books, Delhi 2005, and O Books 2003) renders this verse as: > > > > Perfect Peace is > > Palpable > > And like deep silence > > Can be felt by those > > Freed from the dread tyrany > > Of anger and desire. > > Who have subdued > > Their arrogant, wandering, > > Perverted minds, > > And have touched the Self > > Of Absolute Consciousness > > The Godhead hiding in the heart. > > > > > > Comments are welcomed. > > > > dear alan, verse 26 - what chapter? > thirty years ago, when i fell in love > with the gita, i familiarised myself with > no less then a dozen different english > translations, and found out that some parts > vary greatly. frankly, the versions quoted > by you do not 'feel' fully harmonious.. . > > thank you in advance > > yosy > > ps. shabbat shalom and ramadan kareem all > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Yosyx, Thank you for that interesting translation, although Sivanananda skirts around the Brahma or Brahman question by saying Brahmic. Your definition of Self Realisation is beautiful. It is interesting there are 285 translations of the Gita into English in the British Library delivered since Warren Hastings intoduced it to the West in the 18th C. and all are different. What to do? as they say. It seems a matter of personal choice. All love and best wishes, Alan --- On Sat, 20/9/08, yosyx <yosyflug wrote: yosyx <yosyflug Re: Bhagavad Gita Study 26 / alan Date: Saturday, 20 September, 2008, 11:47 PM , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Yosyx,>  > I quite appreciate your comment, and am inclined to agree that the Aurobindo translation is not the most harmonious. My library is currently very limited at the moment, and the only other translation I have is that of Sir Edwin Arnold 's which is pure poetry, but does not number the verses. as he enjams them. My rendition was composed five years ago, and was meant for a popular or general readership omitting Sanskrit words where possible. I may have moved on a little since then and would not necessarily render it in the same way now.  Others may offer us a more harmonious translation perhaps. The chapter is no. 5.>  > All love and best wishes,>  > Alan >thank you, alan. i found on the net another rendering (by swami sivananda): Kaamakrodhaviyuktaa naam yateenaam yatachetasaam; Abhito brahma nirvaanam vartate viditaatmanaam. 26. Absolute freedom (or Brahmic bliss) exists on all sides for those self-controlled ascetics who are free from desire and anger, who have controlled their thoughts and who have realised the Self. anyway, the way i see it: self realization is not a state. it is the everpresent and all containing, timeless reality, clearly revealed when the aspirant abandons the mistaken self identity. realizing the absence of a self extinquishes all anger and desires, which stem from the self centered thoughts, intent on preservation of this non-exitent salf... yosy nnb > here is another translation from > > --- On Sat, 20/9/08, yosyx <yosyflug@.. .> wrote:> > yosyx <yosyflug@.. .>> Re: Bhagavad Gita Study 26> > Saturday, 20 September, 2008, 4:56 AM> > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> >> > The Song Celestial by Ramana Maharshi a study of the Bhagavad Gita. > Ramana chose the 42 most important verses in an order for spiritual > guidance from the 700.> > > > 26 . "BRAHMA NIRVANA lies around those who have freed themselves > from anger and desire, who have subdued their minds and have known > the Self." V:26> > > > Comment:> > > > A description of the Self Realised state.> > > > According to the Collected Works Glossary Brahma means Lord of > Creation; God as the Creator: and Nirvana is not mentioned. Another > glossary defines Nirvana as 'extinction, not necessarily of all > being, but of being as we know it; dissolution; disintergration; > extinction of ego, desire and egoistic action and mentality; nirvana- > paraman; self extinction supreme. (Aurobindo Glossary) Here one > questions why the Ashram translation done by Arthur Osborne and > Prof.Kolkarni does not use the term Brahman Nirvana as Brahman is the > Supreme Absolute and more in concordance with Advaita than Brahma the > Creator God? Do members have any views on that?> > > > My own 'popular' free poetic versification of the Gita (New Age > Books, Delhi 2005, and O Books 2003) renders this verse as:> > > > Perfect Peace is> > Palpable> > And like deep silence> > Can be felt by those> > Freed from the dread tyrany> > Of anger and desire.> > Who have subdued> > Their arrogant, wandering,> > Perverted minds,> > And have touched the Self> > Of Absolute Consciousness> > The Godhead hiding in the heart.> > > > > > Comments are welcomed.> >> > dear alan, verse 26 - what chapter? > thirty years ago, when i fell in love > with the gita, i familiarised myself with > no less then a dozen different english > translations, and found out that some parts > vary greatly. frankly, the versions quoted > by you do not 'feel' fully harmonious.. .> > thank you in advance > > yosy > > ps. shabbat shalom and ramadan kareem all> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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