Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Ramana Maharshi's Song Celestial Gita Study verse 37 Ch XIV: V.25 " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons the iniative in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " Question: The first part of the Verse is self explanatory, but some members may wish to clarify the significance of 'abandoning initiative'? Sometimes one feels one has to take initiative in a matter which circumstances force one to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > Gita Study verse 37 Ch XIV: V.25 > " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons the iniative in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " > > Question: The first part of the Verse is self explanatory, but some members may wish to clarify the significance of 'abandoning initiative'? Sometimes one feels one has to take initiative in a matter which circumstances force one to deal with. Dear Alan and Friends: According to different translations, the words " sarva-arambha-parityagi " mean sarva=all, arambha=endeavor/undertaking, parityagi=renouncer. I believe that in this case, the transalation pointed out by Alan is good because I interpret " to take the inititive " as producing actions with the sense of doership. It does not imply to renounce any undertaking, that in itself will be another undertaking!! Under this point of view, I will propose 2 possible interpretations: 1. " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons or renounces the SENSE OF DOERSHIP or SELFISHNESS in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " 2. " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons all EGO-MOTIVATED undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna (thanks Alan for being so consistent in this project of studying this Celestial Song, as Bhagavan named it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Dear Mouna, Thank you for this excellent clarification on this knotty point. I am now quite satisfied that 'abandoning the initiative' is pointing to losing the sense of personal doership in all actions. All warm regards and best wishes, Alan --- On Tue, 30/9/08, upadesa <maunna wrote: upadesa <maunna Re: Bhagavad Gita Study Verse 37 Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 12:37 AM Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > Gita Study verse 37 Ch XIV: V.25 > " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons the iniative in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " > > Question: The first part of the Verse is self explanatory, but some members may wish to clarify the significance of 'abandoning initiative'? Sometimes one feels one has to take initiative in a matter which circumstances force one to deal with. Dear Alan and Friends: According to different translations, the words " sarva-arambha- parityagi " mean sarva=all, arambha=endeavor/ undertaking, parityagi=renouncer . I believe that in this case, the transalation pointed out by Alan is good because I interpret " to take the inititive " as producing actions with the sense of doership. It does not imply to renounce any undertaking, that in itself will be another undertaking! ! Under this point of view, I will propose 2 possible interpretations: 1. " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons or renounces the SENSE OF DOERSHIP or SELFISHNESS in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " 2. " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons all EGO-MOTIVATED undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna (thanks Alan for being so consistent in this project of studying this Celestial Song, as Bhagavan named it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 The is a statement of utter nonduality. To take initiative there must be someone to do so, some individual that has a real existence. Ramana said, " I have no sankalpa. " Sankalpa can be translated as various shades of the idea of will, volition, vow to perform an obligation, purpose, etc. What is it that is beyond initiative? Is it the individual? Is it anything that is limited (like to time, space, a body, the world)? Is it something that had a beginning (and will have an end)? It is the Self. It is Brahman. Brahman it is without attributes. Brahman it is without limits or qualities. Brahman is the Self. It is your existence, your only existence. Om Arunachala, Richard , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Ramana Maharshi's Song Celestial > > Gita Study verse 37 Ch XIV: V.25 > > " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who abandons the iniative in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " > > Question: The first part of the Verse is self explanatory, but some members may wish to clarify the significance of 'abandoning initiative'? Sometimes one feels one has to take initiative in a matter which circumstances force one to deal with. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 , " upadesa " <maunna wrote: > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > Gita Study verse 37 Ch XIV: V.25 > > " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who > abandons the iniative in all undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " > > > > Question: The first part of the Verse is self explanatory, but some > members may wish to clarify the significance of 'abandoning > initiative'? Sometimes one feels one has to take initiative in a > matter which circumstances force one to deal with. > > > Dear Alan and Friends: > > According to different translations, the words > " sarva-arambha-parityagi " mean sarva=all, > arambha=endeavor/undertaking, parityagi=renouncer. > I believe that in this case, the transalation pointed out by Alan is > good because I interpret " to take the inititive " as producing actions > with the sense of doership. It does not imply to renounce any > undertaking, that in itself will be another undertaking!! > > Under this point of view, I will propose 2 possible interpretations: > > 1. " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who > abandons or renounces the SENSE OF DOERSHIP or SELFISHNESS in all > undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " > > 2. " The same in honour and dishonour, towards friends and foes, he who > abandons all EGO-MOTIVATED undertakings is called one beyond qualities. " > > Yours in Bhagavan, > Mouna > > (thanks Alan for being so consistent in this project of studying this > Celestial Song, as Bhagavan named it) > essentialy, those are simply the marks of abandonment/dissolution of identity. who/what is there to take initiative? nonduality is ever the timeless and boundeless, whole and indivisible self. and this all-containing unity is selfless. yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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