Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 When I was about sixteen I walked down the street passing a large bookshop. In the middle of the window there was a book with golden letters in sanskrit. And I had to buy it still believing religion and philosophy was of lesser value as it was not science. I started reading on the bus. Before it was half way there was no longer identifying with the body. I read till I knew it by heart and the book fell to pieces. The whole universe was inside, and I could see glimpses far beyond the words. And then a few weeks later, it was a book again. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Dear Alan, It shows the transforming power of the Gita! When a devotee asked Bhagavan whether he should read the Gita he replied 'always!' It has great power as you experienced. All love, Alan --- On Tue, 30/9/08, alan <alan wrote: alan <alan Bhagavad Gita Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 4:39 PM When I was about sixteen I walked down the street passing a large bookshop.In the middle of the window there was a book with golden letters in sanskrit.And I had to buy it still believing religion and philosophy was of lesser value asit was not science.I started reading on the bus.Before it was half way there was no longer identifying with the body.I read till I knew it by heart and the book fell to pieces.The whole universe was inside, and I could see glimpses far beyond the words.And then a few weeks later, it was a book again. :)Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Thats true. I dont know if it ismy sankalpa, not oly Bhagavad Gite, any book I read, I feel inspired and then I get up thinking I will change. But within few minutes, my mind gets easily distracted. Again after few days I take the book and the cycle repeats. Guess I need to hold HIs hands tightly, so tightly that I should stick to HIm like magnet.--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobsRe: Bhagavad Gita Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:38 PM Dear Alan, It shows the transforming power of the Gita! When a devotee asked Bhagavan whether he should read the Gita he replied 'always!' It has great power as you experienced. All love, Alan --- On Tue, 30/9/08, alan (AT) ferryfee (DOT) com <alan (AT) ferryfee (DOT) com> wrote: alan (AT) ferryfee (DOT) com <alan (AT) ferryfee (DOT) com> Bhagavad GitaTuesday, 30 September, 2008, 4:39 PM When I was about sixteen I walked down the street passing a large bookshop.In the middle of the window there was a book with golden letters in sanskrit.And I had to buy it still believing religion and philosophy was of lesser value asit was not science.I started reading on the bus.Before it was half way there was no longer identifying with the body.I read till I knew it by heart and the book fell to pieces.The whole universe was inside, and I could see glimpses far beyond the words.And then a few weeks later, it was a book again. :)Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Jill, Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and beautiful. When I did my own free verse poetic transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know sanskrit. There are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English, since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is Chapter 13. Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries. Bhagavan spared many people that labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40 important. They are published in his Collected works under the Song Celestial. All best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers <eggersj wrote: > Jill Eggers <eggersj > Re: Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 > > Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM > Hello Alan, > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's translation of the > Gita? It's a > lovely translation. For many years I read it every > evening, wanting > to memorize the whole thing. I only managed to memorize a > couple of > favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in > Easwaren's > book as " The Field and the Knower " --is that > chapter 8?) > > best, > > Jill > On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > > Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 & 10 > > > > From Sri Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded > > Utterances of the Maharshi. > > > > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart) > > > > 9 > > > > " Those who have come to my feet with love, and > without delaying, > > are those whose birth has been graced by God. Theirs > is an eminent > > and true life. " > > > > 10 > > > > " Through the thought of the feet of the Guru who > has reigned over > > devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in > the hearts > > of devotees will persish and ultimate liberation will > be attained > > here and now. " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Jill, > > Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and beautiful. > > When I did my own free verse poetic transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know sanskrit. incidently, i too used a dozen of english versions when working on my gita translation to hebrew (yoga to cabala), and for the same reason, thirty years ago. There are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English, since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is Chapter 13. > > Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries. > i find the transcreation of p.lal (btw, he is the one who coined the term " transcreation " itself) the most flowing and 'user friendly', in spite of tha apparent inaccuracy... > Bhagavan spared many people that labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40 important. > They are published in his Collected works under the Song Celestial. > > All best wishes and regards, > > Alan > > > thank you, dear friend. _()_ yosy > > --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers <eggersj wrote: > > > Jill Eggers <eggersj > > Re: Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 > > > > Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM > > Hello Alan, > > > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's translation of the > > Gita? It's a > > lovely translation. For many years I read it every > > evening, wanting > > to memorize the whole thing. I only managed to memorize a > > couple of > > favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in > > Easwaren's > > book as " The Field and the Knower " --is that > > chapter 8?) > > > > best, > > > > Jill > > On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 & 10 > > > > > > From Sri Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded > > > Utterances of the Maharshi. > > > > > > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart) > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > " Those who have come to my feet with love, and > > without delaying, > > > are those whose birth has been graced by God. Theirs > > is an eminent > > > and true life. " > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > " Through the thought of the feet of the Guru who > > has reigned over > > > devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in > > the hearts > > > of devotees will persish and ultimate liberation will > > be attained > > > here and now. " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear Alan and Jill, I went through Gita in English by swami Sivananda(of Rishikesh).Worth going through. vijay Alan Jacobs [alanadamsjacobs] Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:18 AM Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Bhagavad Gita Dear Jill, Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and beautiful. When I did my own free verse poetic transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know sanskrit. There are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English, since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is Chapter 13. Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries. Bhagavan spared many people that labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40 important. They are published in his Collected works under the Song Celestial. All best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers <eggersj (AT) gvsu (DOT) edu> wrote: > Jill Eggers <eggersj (AT) gvsu (DOT) edu> > Re: Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 > > Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM > Hello Alan, > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's translation of the > Gita? It's a > lovely translation. For many years I read it every > evening, wanting > to memorize the whole thing. I only managed to memorize a > couple of > favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in > Easwaren's > book as " The Field and the Knower " --is that > chapter 8?) > > best, > > Jill > On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > > Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 & 10 > > > > From Sri Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded > > Utterances of the Maharshi. > > > > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart) > > > > 9 > > > > " Those who have come to my feet with love, and > without delaying, > > are those whose birth has been graced by God. Theirs > is an eminent > > and true life. " > > > > 10 > > > > " Through the thought of the feet of the Guru who > has reigned over > > devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in > the hearts > > of devotees will persish and ultimate liberation will > be attained > > here and now. " > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi Alan, I'm surprised you don't know Sanskrit. SOAS run excellent courses. James From: yosyflugDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:03:52 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote:>> Dear Jill,> > Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and beautiful.> > When I did my own free verse poetic transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know sanskrit. incidently, i too used a dozen of english versions when working on my gita translation to hebrew (yoga to cabala), and for the same reason, thirty years ago. There are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English, since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is Chapter 13.> > Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries.> i find the transcreation of p.lal (btw, he is the one who coined the term "transcreation" itself) the most flowing and 'user friendly', in spite of tha apparent inaccuracy...> Bhagavan spared many people that labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40 important.> They are published in his Collected works under the Song Celestial.> > All best wishes and regards,> > Alan> > > thank you, dear friend._()_yosy> > --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers <eggersj wrote:> > > Jill Eggers <eggersj> > Re: Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9> > > > Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM> > Hello Alan,> > > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's translation of the> > Gita? It's a > > lovely translation. For many years I read it every> > evening, wanting > > to memorize the whole thing. I only managed to memorize a> > couple of > > favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in> > Easwaren's > > book as "The Field and the Knower"--is that> > chapter 8?)> > > > best,> > > > Jill> > On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9 & 10> > >> > > From Sri Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded> > > Utterances of the Maharshi.> > >> > > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart)> > >> > > 9> > >> > > "Those who have come to my feet with love, and> > without delaying, > > > are those whose birth has been graced by God. Theirs> > is an eminent > > > and true life."> > >> > > 10> > >> > > "Through the thought of the feet of the Guru who> > has reigned over > > > devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in> > the hearts > > > of devotees will persish and ultimate liberation will> > be attained > > > here and now."> > >> > >> > >> Read amazing stories to your kids on Messenger Try it Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear James, Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know Sanskrit? Up to now I have found glossaries adequate, and do not seem to have the time to start a new language. Perhaps one day- who knows? All the best, Alan --- On Wed, 22/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > james cogdell <cogdelljames > RE: Bhagavad Gita > > Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 5:54 PM > Hi Alan, > I'm surprised you don't know Sanskrit. SOAS run > excellent courses. > James > > > > : > yosyflug: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:03:52 > +0000Re: Bhagavad > Gita > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs wrote:>> Dear Jill,> > > Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and > beautiful.> > When I did my own free verse poetic > transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had > to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to > guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know > sanskrit. incidently, i too used a dozen of english > versions when working on my gita translation to hebrew (yoga > to cabala), and for the same reason, thirty years ago. There > are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English, > since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking > world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one > finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is > Chapter 13.> > Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and > Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa > (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's > is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and > philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries.> i > find the transcreation of p.lal (btw, he is the one who > coined the term " transcreation " itself) the most > flowing and 'user friendly', in spite of tha > apparent inaccuracy...> Bhagavan spared many people that > labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40 > important.> They are published in his Collected works > under the Song Celestial.> > All best wishes and > regards,> > Alan> > > thank you, dear > friend._()_yosy> > --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers > <eggersj wrote:> > > Jill Eggers > <eggersj> > Re: [ - > Ramana Guru] Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9> > > > > Date: > Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM> > Hello Alan,> > > > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's > translation of the> > Gita? It's a > > > lovely translation. For many years I read it every> > > evening, wanting > > to memorize the whole thing. I > only managed to memorize a> > couple of > > > favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in> > > Easwaren's > > book as " The Field and > the Knower " --is that> > chapter 8?)> > > > > best,> > > > Jill> > On Oct 21, 2008, > at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote:> > > > >> > > >> > > Bhagavan's Promises and > Declarations 9 & 10> > >> > > From Sri > Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded> > > > Utterances of the Maharshi.> > >> > > > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart)> > > >> > > 9> > >> > > " Those > who have come to my feet with love, and> > without > delaying, > > > are those whose birth has been > graced by God. Theirs> > is an eminent > > > > and true life. " > > >> > > 10> > > >> > > " Through the thought of the feet of > the Guru who> > has reigned over > > > > devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in> > > the hearts > > > of devotees will persish and > ultimate liberation will> > be attained > > > > here and now. " > > >> > >> > > >_______________ > Win an Xbox 360 or £200 Top Shop Vouchers > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454062/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi Alan, I studied Religions at SOAS; didn't finish my degree (£3000 per year was a little too much!!) but studied Sanskrit for a couple of terms. It's difficult; but having read your 'The Principle Upanishads' I just thought your knew it. I love your book by the way. I'm wondering how much you know about the concept of Orientalism. There is a paradox somehow at the heart of the discussions we have here between silence and text. Would you agree that the paradox is problematical? Maybe I'm thinking too much!! Anyway, thanks for your respense. James From: alanadamsjacobsDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:15:47 +0000RE: Bhagavad Gita Dear James,Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know Sanskrit? Up to now I have found glossaries adequate, and do not seem to have the time to start a new language. Perhaps one day- who knows?All the best,Alan --- On Wed, 22/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> james cogdell <cogdelljames (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> RE: Bhagavad Gita> > Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 5:54 PM> Hi Alan,> I'm surprised you don't know Sanskrit. SOAS run> excellent courses.> James> > > > From:> yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.ilDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:03:52> +0000Re: Bhagavad> Gita> > > > > , Alan Jacobs> <alanadamsjacobs wrote:>> Dear Jill,>> > Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and> beautiful.> > When I did my own free verse poetic> transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had> to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to> guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know> sanskrit. incidently, i too used a dozen of english> versions when working on my gita translation to hebrew (yoga> to cabala), and for the same reason, thirty years ago. There> are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English,> since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking> world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one> finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is> Chapter 13.> > Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and> Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa> (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's> is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and> philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries.> i> find the transcreation of p.lal (btw, he is the one who> coined the term "transcreation" itself) the most> flowing and 'user friendly', in spite of tha> apparent inaccuracy...> Bhagavan spared many people that> labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40> important.> They are published in his Collected works> under the Song Celestial.> > All best wishes and> regards,> > Alan> > > thank you, dear> friend._()_yosy> > --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers> <eggersj wrote:> > > Jill Eggers> <eggersj> > Re: [ -> Ramana Guru] Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9>> > > > Date:> Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM> > Hello Alan,>> > > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's> translation of the> > Gita? It's a > >> lovely translation. For many years I read it every> >> evening, wanting > > to memorize the whole thing. I> only managed to memorize a> > couple of > >> favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in>> > Easwaren's > > book as "The Field and> the Knower"--is that> > chapter 8?)> > >> > best,> > > > Jill> > On Oct 21, 2008,> at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote:> > > > >>> > >> > > Bhagavan's Promises and> Declarations 9 & 10> > >> > > From Sri> Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded> > >> Utterances of the Maharshi.> > >> > >> Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart)> >> >> > > 9> > >> > > "Those> who have come to my feet with love, and> > without> delaying, > > > are those whose birth has been> graced by God. Theirs> > is an eminent > > >> and true life."> > >> > > 10> >> >> > > "Through the thought of the feet of> the Guru who> > has reigned over > > >> devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in>> > the hearts > > > of devotees will persish and> ultimate liberation will> > be attained > > >> here and now."> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > ________> Win an Xbox 360 or £200 Top Shop Vouchers > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454062/direct/01/ Read amazing stories to your kids on Messenger Try it Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear James, Thanks for your reply and telling me about your time at SOAS. Principal Upansihads was done by a comparison of many texts. I am glad you enjoyed it. I hope you may come one day to our Satsang at Friends Meeting House, Hampstead (see ramana maharshi foundation uk on google for details). I am away in November at the Ashram, but for the December, second Saturday one we are having Michael James the author of Happiness and the Art of Being , a long time devotee of Bhagavan, to speak. I shall be there and it would be good to say hello. I regret I do not know the meaning of the Orientalism concept. Please explain, then I will see if I have any understanding in that direction, also kindly enlarge on what you mean about the paradox between silence and text. I trust all goes well with you, All Regards, Alan --- On Wed, 22/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > james cogdell <cogdelljames > RE: Bhagavad Gita > > Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 10:24 PM > Hi Alan, > I studied Religions at SOAS; didn't finish my degree > (£3000 per year was a little too much!!) but studied > Sanskrit for a couple of terms. It's difficult; but > having read your 'The Principle Upanishads' I just > thought your knew it. I love your book by the way. > I'm wondering how much you know about the concept of > Orientalism. There is a paradox somehow at the heart of the > discussions we have here between silence and text. Would you > agree that the paradox is problematical? Maybe I'm > thinking too much!! > Anyway, thanks for your respense. > James > > > > > : > alanadamsjacobs: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:15:47 > +0000RE: Bhagavad > Gita > > > > > Dear James,Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know Sanskrit? > Up to now I have found glossaries adequate, and do not seem > to have the time to start a new language. Perhaps one day- > who knows?All the best,Alan --- On Wed, 22/10/08, james > cogdell <cogdelljames wrote:> > james cogdell <cogdelljames> Subject: > RE: Bhagavad Gita> To: > > Wednesday, 22 > October, 2008, 5:54 PM> Hi Alan,> I'm surprised > you don't know Sanskrit. SOAS run> excellent > courses.> James> > > > To: > :> > yosyflug: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:03:52> > +0000Re: > Bhagavad> Gita> > > > > --- In > , Alan Jacobs> > <alanadamsjacobs wrote:>> Dear > Jill,>> > Yes. I did go through it and thought it > very clear and> beautiful.> > When I did my own > free verse poetic> transcreation of the Gita from a > non-dual standpoint, I had> to go through around 12 of > the contemporary translations to> guage the exact meaning > of each verse, as I do not know> sanskrit. incidently, > i too used a dozen of english> versions when working on > my gita translation to hebrew (yoga> to cabala), and for > the same reason, thirty years ago. There> are something > like 280 translations of the Gita in English,> since > Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking> > world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each > one> finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the > field is> Chapter 13.> > Personally I like Sir > Edwin Arnold and> Juan Mascaro's the best, because > poets find the Rasa> (the beauty).For truthful meaning I > suppose Shankara's> is the most reliable, and > Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and> philosophy a. Some > people study their commentaries.> i> find the > transcreation of p.lal (btw, he is the one who> coined > the term " transcreation " itself) the most> > flowing and 'user friendly', in spite of tha> > apparent inaccuracy...> Bhagavan spared many people > that> labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the > most 40> important.> They are published in his > Collected works> under the Song Celestial.> > All > best wishes and> regards,> > Alan> > > > thank you, dear> friend._()_yosy> > --- On Tue, > 21/10/08, Jill Eggers> <eggersj wrote:> > > > Jill Eggers> <eggersj> > > Re: [ -> Ramana Guru] > Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9>> > To: > > > Date:> Tuesday, > 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM> > Hello Alan,>> > > > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's> > translation of the> > Gita? It's a > >> > lovely translation. For many years I read it every> > >> evening, wanting > > to memorize the whole > thing. I> only managed to memorize a> > couple of > > >> favorite chapters--two and I think eight > (-translated in>> > Easwaren's > > book > as " The Field and> the Knower " --is that> > > chapter 8?)> > >> > best,> > > > > Jill> > On Oct 21, 2008,> at 3:53 PM, Alan > Jacobs wrote:> > > > >>> > >> > > > Bhagavan's Promises and> Declarations > 9 & 10> > >> > > From Sri> > Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded> > >> > Utterances of the Maharshi.> > >> > >> > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart)> > >> >> > > 9> > >> > > > " Those> who have come to my feet with love, and> > > without> delaying, > > > are those whose > birth has been> graced by God. Theirs> > is an > eminent > > >> and true life. " > > > >> > > 10> >> >> > > > " Through the thought of the feet of> the Guru > who> > has reigned over > > >> devotees, > the intense darkness of ignorance present in>> > > the hearts > > > of devotees will persish and> > ultimate liberation will> > be attained > > > >> here and now. " > > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > ________> > Win an Xbox 360 or £200 Top Shop Vouchers > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454062/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________ > Win an Xbox 360 or £200 Top Shop Vouchers > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454062/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, or any language for that matter... only Silence... Ahhhh... Namaste, Soul , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear James, > > Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know Sanskrit? Up to now I have found glossaries adequate, and do not seem to have the time to start a new language. Perhaps one day- who knows? > > All the best, > > Alan > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > > > james cogdell <cogdelljames > > RE: Bhagavad Gita > > > > Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 5:54 PM > > Hi Alan, > > I'm surprised you don't know Sanskrit. SOAS run > > excellent courses. > > James > > > > > > > > : > > yosyflug: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:03:52 > > +0000Re: Bhagavad > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote:>> Dear Jill,> > > > Yes. I did go through it and thought it very clear and > > beautiful.> > When I did my own free verse poetic > > transcreation of the Gita from a non-dual standpoint, I had > > to go through around 12 of the contemporary translations to > > guage the exact meaning of each verse, as I do not know > > sanskrit. incidently, i too used a dozen of english > > versions when working on my gita translation to hebrew (yoga > > to cabala), and for the same reason, thirty years ago. There > > are something like 280 translations of the Gita in English, > > since Warren Hastings introduced it to the English speaking > > world . The British Library has them all. I suppose each one > > finds his own Gita sooner or later. Book of the field is > > Chapter 13.> > Personally I like Sir Edwin Arnold and > > Juan Mascaro's the best, because poets find the Rasa > > (the beauty).For truthful meaning I suppose Shankara's > > is the most reliable, and Aurobindo is best for rhetoric and > > philosophy a. Some people study their commentaries.> i > > find the transcreation of p.lal (btw, he is the one who > > coined the term " transcreation " itself) the most > > flowing and 'user friendly', in spite of tha > > apparent inaccuracy...> Bhagavan spared many people that > > labour of going through 700 verses by selecting the most 40 > > important.> They are published in his Collected works > > under the Song Celestial.> > All best wishes and > > regards,> > Alan> > > thank you, dear > > friend._()_yosy> > --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Jill Eggers > > <eggersj@> wrote:> > > Jill Eggers > > <eggersj@>> > Re: [ - > > Ramana Guru] Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations 9> > > > > > Date: > > Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 9:04 PM> > Hello Alan,> > > > > > Have you ever read Eknath Easwaren's > > translation of the> > Gita? It's a > > > > lovely translation. For many years I read it every> > > > evening, wanting > > to memorize the whole thing. I > > only managed to memorize a> > couple of > > > > favorite chapters--two and I think eight (-translated in> > > > Easwaren's > > book as " The Field and > > the Knower " --is that> > chapter 8?)> > > > > > best,> > > > Jill> > On Oct 21, 2008, > > at 3:53 PM, Alan Jacobs wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > Bhagavan's Promises and > > Declarations 9 & 10> > >> > > From Sri > > Muruganar's Padamalai. P.24 Recorded> > > > > Utterances of the Maharshi.> > >> > > > > Knowing and Experiencing Me (Bhagavan in the Heart)> > > > >> > > 9> > >> > > " Those > > who have come to my feet with love, and> > without > > delaying, > > > are those whose birth has been > > graced by God. Theirs> > is an eminent > > > > > and true life. " > > >> > > 10> > > > >> > > " Through the thought of the feet of > > the Guru who> > has reigned over > > > > > devotees, the intense darkness of ignorance present in> > > > the hearts > > > of devotees will persish and > > ultimate liberation will> > be attained > > > > > here and now. " > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Win an Xbox 360 or £200 Top Shop Vouchers > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454062/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear James, > > Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know Sanskrit? Up to now I have found glossaries adequate, and do not seem to have the time to start a new language. Perhaps one day- who knows? > > All the best, > > Alan > > luckily, one of the young friends w2hich i introduced to the gita thirty years ago fell in love with it, and started a serious study. she is presently one of the foremost sanscrit scholars in the j-m hebrew university. so all information and assistance needed is a phone call (or e-mail) away... yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 , " Soul " <soulyoginima wrote: > > One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that matter... > only Silence... > Ahhhh... > > Namaste, > Soul > there is only one nation - the nation of humanity. there is only one language - the language of the heart. there is only one religion - the religion of love. there is only one teacher – life itself. and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent. BOOM! yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi Soul, I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of course. It is only through language that liberation means anything at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are you suggesting that language is a hindrance or a source of liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on earth can we talk about silence being the source of liberation. I am of course a great admirer of Ramana Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience liberation, what is the point of it? Does it exist outside of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism? Or is liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a sort of hope for purity. I confess to not knowing this, which for me is an ok place to be. Yours in Love, James From: yosyflugDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita , "Soul" <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent.BOOM!yosy Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear James as one who loved to talk and discuss about so many important matters i discovered during this journey thru this actual life that with words we do not arrive at the necessary INNER PEACE AND QUIT. Just some days ago i was really SILENT for a whole day - did not talk a word at all to nobody around me and without any "stress" i tamed the horse named "mind". It was STILLNESS and it was incredible. I have experienced many socalled extraordinary "happenings" - but few have shown me whats all about. BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GD and having tried for decades thru talking and living to convince others of the value of being a real "mensch" - of being a real human being and discovered that misunderstood words are the root of so many troubles, war and so on. Wishing you all the best - try to discover the "manna" of being STILL. in Sri Ramana michael - james cogdell Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:53 PM RE: Bhagavad Gita Hi Soul,I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of course. It is only through language that liberation means anything at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are you suggesting that language is a hindrance or a source of liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on earth can we talk about silence being the source of liberation. I am of course a great admirer of Ramana Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience liberation, what is the point of it? Does it exist outside of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism? Or is liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a sort of hope for purity. I confess to not knowing this, which for me is an ok place to be. Yours in Love,James From: yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.ilDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita , "Soul" <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent.BOOM!yosy Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release 23/10/2008 7.54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear James, Without wishing to anticipate Soul's reply , I have written my reflections between your paras. which may help. All best, Alan --- On Thu, 23/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > james cogdell <cogdelljames > RE: Bhagavad Gita > > Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 7:53 PM > Hi Soul, > I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of > course. > It is only through language that liberation means anything > at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a > paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only > mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then > what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are > you suggesting that language is a hindrance Language is a pointer to truth, not the Truth itself. The Word door is not the thing, the menu is not the meal, etc. But the Sage has to use language in order to convey the intellectual understanding of the truth before the ineffable realisation of the Self is experienced by the devotee in the heart. Occaisionally Ramana would transmit the Understanding of the Self through the power of his silence rather than words or a source of > liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of > liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which > has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on > earth can we talk about silence being the source of > liberation. It is only in the deep silence of the Heart when thought stops that we experience the Real Self which is a microcosm of the divine macrocosm in the Heart. I am of course a great admirer of Ramana > Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not > here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience > liberation, what is the point of it? Inner Freedom Does it exist outside > of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism? No, it is Realisation of ones own Self which has always been there but has been occluded by the ego. Or is > liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a > sort of hope for purity. Purity is obtained through the sadhana of clearing the occlusion of the ego. I confess to not knowing this, > which for me is an ok place to be. > Yours in Love, > James > > > : > yosyflug: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41 > +0000Re: Bhagavad > Gita > > > > > , " Soul " > <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to > know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that > matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > > Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the > nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language > of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of > love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and > god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and > omnipresent.BOOM!yosy > > > > > > _______________ > X Factor: latest video, features and more. Click here! > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454063/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Alan Jacobs wrote: > Dear James, > > Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know Sanskrit? Up to now I have found glossaries adequate, and do not seem to have the time to start a new language. Perhaps one day- who knows? > > All the best, > > Alan > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > > >> james cogdell <cogdelljames >> RE: Bhagavad Gita >> >> Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 5:54 PM >> Hi Alan, >> I'm surprised you don't know Sanskrit. SOAS run >> excellent courses. >> James >> i wonder whatever happened to Esperanto? i had been even starting to learn some, simultaneously with speed-reading, way back when. But Sanskrit is so much more beautiful, anyway - rather like Latin. English is crazy-making, imho. vc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Thanks Alan. I'm beginning to understand. There's a lot of unlearning for me to do here!! James From: alanadamsjacobsDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:40:28 +0000RE: Bhagavad Gita Dear James,Without wishing to anticipate Soul's reply , I have written my reflections between your paras. which may help.All best,Alan--- On Thu, 23/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> james cogdell <cogdelljames (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> RE: Bhagavad Gita> > Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 7:53 PM> Hi Soul,> I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of> course. > It is only through language that liberation means anything> at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a> paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only> mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then> what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are> you suggesting that language is a hindranceLanguage is a pointer to truth, not the Truth itself. The Word door is not the thing, the menu is not the meal, etc. But the Sage has to use language in order to convey the intellectual understanding of the truth before the ineffable realisation of the Self is experienced by the devotee in the heart. Occaisionally Ramana would transmit the Understanding of the Self through the power of his silence rather than wordsor a source of> liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of> liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which> has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on> earth can we talk about silence being the source of> liberation.It is only in the deep silence of the Heart when thought stops that we experience the Real Self which is a microcosm of the divine macrocosm in the Heart.I am of course a great admirer of Ramana> Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not> here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience> liberation, what is the point of it? Inner FreedomDoes it exist outside> of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism?No, it is Realisation of ones own Self which has always been there but has been occluded by the ego.Or is> liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a> sort of hope for purity.Purity is obtained through the sadhana of clearing the occlusion of the ego.I confess to not knowing this,> which for me is an ok place to be. > Yours in Love,> James> > > From:> yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.ilDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41> +0000Re: Bhagavad> Gita> > > > > , "Soul"> <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to> know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that> matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> >> Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the> nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language> of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of> love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and> god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and> omnipresent.BOOM!yosy > > > > > > ________> X Factor: latest video, features and more. Click here!> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454063/direct/01/ For the best free wallpapers from MSN Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear James, We're all in the same boat- Ramana said something like that 'the Teaching was a process of unlearning'.......until.........boom! as yosyx would say. Best, Alan --- On Thu, 23/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > james cogdell <cogdelljames > RE: Bhagavad Gita > > Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 10:55 PM > Thanks Alan. I'm beginning to understand. There's a > lot of unlearning for me to do here!! > James > > > > : > alanadamsjacobs: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:40:28 > +0000RE: Bhagavad > Gita > > > > > Dear James,Without wishing to anticipate Soul's reply , > I have written my reflections between your paras. which may > help.All best,Alan--- On Thu, 23/10/08, james cogdell > <cogdelljames wrote:> james > cogdell <cogdelljames> RE: > Bhagavad Gita> To: > > Thursday, 23 > October, 2008, 7:53 PM> Hi Soul,> I'm afraid I > don't agree with you, with love of> course. > It > is only through language that liberation means anything> > at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a> > paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not > only> mean the written text but also the spoken word as > text then> what you are saying highlights that paradox. > Ultimately, are> you suggesting that language is a > hindranceLanguage is a pointer to truth, not the Truth > itself. The Word door is not the thing, the menu is not the > meal, etc. But the Sage has to use language in order to > convey the intellectual understanding of the truth before > the ineffable realisation of the Self is experienced by the > devotee in the heart. Occaisionally Ramana would transmit > the Understanding of the Self through the power of his > silence rather than wordsor a source of> liberation? Are > you suggesting that the experience of> liberation is > unmediated by which I mean an experience which> has no > expression. How is it possible to know this? How on> > earth can we talk about silence being the source of> > liberation.It is only in the deep silence of the Heart when > thought stops that we experience the Real Self which is a > microcosm of the divine macrocosm in the Heart.I am of > course a great admirer of Ramana> Maharshi, please > don't misunderstand me, I'm not> here to dispute > His reality; but if I am to experience> liberation, what > is the point of it? Inner FreedomDoes it exist outside> > of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism?No, it is > Realisation of ones own Self which has always been there but > has been occluded by the ego.Or is> liberation simply > what we as individuals gesture towards; a> sort of hope > for purity.Purity is obtained through the sadhana of > clearing the occlusion of the ego.I confess to not knowing > this,> which for me is an ok place to be. > Yours in > Love,> James> > > To: > :> > yosyflug: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41> > +0000Re: > Bhagavad> Gita> > > > > --- In > , " Soul " > > <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to> > know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for > that> matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > >> Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - > the> nation of humanity.there is only one language - the > language> of the heart.there is only one religion - the > religion of> love.there is only one teacher – life > itself.and> god/truth/love is one without a second - > timeless and> omnipresent.BOOM!yosy > > > > > > > > ________> > X Factor: latest video, features and more. Click here!> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454063/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________ > Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live > Search > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear Michael, Thankyou so much for your answer. As I have just said to Alan, I have a lot of unlearning to do, in a way, and I am just becoming aware of how strong my ego is and how it clings onto things, concepts, etc. I have meditated and experienced that sense of falling through.....I can't explain what I was falling through but it does seem like a falling away of anything at all. An extraordinarily terrifying experience that I perhaps need to work through instead of pulling myself back from. I hope you understand what I am trying to express. And also as a Westener I assume that anything worth working towards has to be extremely complex and difficult to understand!! Best wishes to you too, James From: michael.bindelDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:24:50 +0200Re: Bhagavad Gita Dear James as one who loved to talk and discuss about so many important matters i discovered during this journey thru this actual life that with words we do not arrive at the necessary INNER PEACE AND QUIT. Just some days ago i was really SILENT for a whole day - did not talk a word at all to nobody around me and without any "stress" i tamed the horse named "mind". It was STILLNESS and it was incredible. I have experienced many socalled extraordinary "happenings" - but few have shown me whats all about. BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GD and having tried for decades thru talking and living to convince others of the value of being a real "mensch" - of being a real human being and discovered that misunderstood words are the root of so many troubles, war and so on. Wishing you all the best - try to discover the "manna" of being STILL. in Sri Ramana michael - james cogdell Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:53 PM RE: Bhagavad Gita Hi Soul,I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of course. It is only through language that liberation means anything at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are you suggesting that language is a hindrance or a source of liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on earth can we talk about silence being the source of liberation. I am of course a great admirer of Ramana Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience liberation, what is the point of it? Does it exist outside of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism? Or is liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a sort of hope for purity. I confess to not knowing this, which for me is an ok place to be. Yours in Love,James From: yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.ilDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita , "Soul" <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent.BOOM!yosy Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release 23/10/2008 7.54 Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Dear James, I think Micheal, Alan and Yosyx have given beautiful replies. In Love, Soul , james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > > > Hi Soul, > I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of course. > It is only through language that liberation means anything at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are you suggesting that language is a hindrance or a source of liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on earth can we talk about silence being the source of liberation. I am of course a great admirer of Ramana Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience liberation, what is the point of it? Does it exist outside of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism? Or is liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a sort of hope for purity. I confess to not knowing this, which for me is an ok place to be. > Yours in Love, > James > > > > : yosyflug: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita > > > > > , " Soul " <soulyoginima@> wrote:>> One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent.BOOM!yosy > > > > > > _______________ > X Factor: latest video, features and more. Click here! > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454063/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Dear James regarding "Ego": due to my experiences Ego is necessary to "survive" in "world". Therefore you have at first to recognize it, to develop it, to use and misuse it, to "suffer" and only afterwards - is spiritual consciousness is mature enough, look "behind it" - for what it really is. learning/unlearning: everything is learned thru patterns we are influenced by and again due to our maturing, someday, we have to check if that what we practice in daily life (patterns in every way, "even" in "feelingloving" and so on) is REALLY that what we want to practice Out of this ongoing checking results an inner uneasiness which again we have to check till we find the roots... "Illumination" etc what touched me the "most" in this theme is Sri Ramanas explanation - of course out of his own experience, like always - that there is in reality no illumination "to achieve". Because "we are illumination always", just we "have forgotten it".... The expression which touched me was by "being born" the curtain of NOKNOWLEDGE falls down and it is the "ongoing work" to be done to LIFT THIS CURTAIN OF NO KNOWLEDGE and this is the UNLEARNING you ment.... something else: when real unlearning occurs you "get" a real CLEAR PICTURE of "whats going on" without intellectual knowledge YOU KNOW fullpoint without the need for proving it and discussing it that is meant when stating as soon as you really are in the KNOWN you can throw overboard all books all knowledge all holy scripures Dear unknown friend this are practical experiences of "michael bindel" b u t everyone has to find out this by his own digging into "himherself" regarding CONCEPTS normal thinking (without the link to real intuition) needs concepts therefore we have to get to know the worthness of normal thinking and where to use orand not to use it it is meant for normal activity only. But this again, as Sri Ramana stated so often, and has to be experienced by the seeker in his own way, functions automatically like a robot - if we let it BE to let it be we have to SURRENDER completely without exception but this is another theme on the way - but absolute necessary because only then you can realize what "person" means and what SELF is unclouded by the curtain of noknowledge again... regarding WESTERNERS NOWESTERNERS if you look thoroughly at actual life around the world and history you will discover that even these differences are "only" at the surface and as long as you logically attach your attention at this surface you are entrapped because behind these cultural religious and other so called differences its all the same otherwise it would not be possible that in all socalled cultures all sort of massacres are happening all the time meaning that whatever cultural robe you wear if the essence of all real culture is not lived these "tragedies" HAVE TO occur and therefore i with deep love suggest that you start really digging into the eternal wisdom of the lived realization by SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI start with any book you are drawn to and immedeately check your actual concepts with those eternal TRUTH all of us who really strife for PRACTICING in daily life our inner knowledge will be of assistance to you.... and please take into account - as a real beginning on this path - that the theoretical statement that WE ARE NOT THE DOER THE DOER IS ONLY THE SELF is true awaiting your esteemed reflections your brother on the way michael bindel - james cogdell Friday, October 24, 2008 12:02 AM RE: Bhagavad Gita Dear Michael,Thankyou so much for your answer. As I have just said to Alan, I have a lot of unlearning to do, in a way, and I am just becoming aware of how strong my ego is and how it clings onto things, concepts, etc. I have meditated and experienced that sense of falling through.....I can't explain what I was falling through but it does seem like a falling away of anything at all. An extraordinarily terrifying experience that I perhaps need to work through instead of pulling myself back from. I hope you understand what I am trying to express. And also as a Westener I assume that anything worth working towards has to be extremely complex and difficult to understand!! Best wishes to you too,James From: michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) huDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:24:50 +0200Re: Bhagavad Gita Dear James as one who loved to talk and discuss about so many important matters i discovered during this journey thru this actual life that with words we do not arrive at the necessary INNER PEACE AND QUIT. Just some days ago i was really SILENT for a whole day - did not talk a word at all to nobody around me and without any "stress" i tamed the horse named "mind". It was STILLNESS and it was incredible. I have experienced many socalled extraordinary "happenings" - but few have shown me whats all about. BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GD and having tried for decades thru talking and living to convince others of the value of being a real "mensch" - of being a real human being and discovered that misunderstood words are the root of so many troubles, war and so on. Wishing you all the best - try to discover the "manna" of being STILL. in Sri Ramana michael - james cogdell Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:53 PM RE: Bhagavad Gita Hi Soul,I'm afraid I don't agree with you, with love of course. It is only through language that liberation means anything at all. I mentioned in an email to Alan that there is a paradox between silence and text, and if by text we not only mean the written text but also the spoken word as text then what you are saying highlights that paradox. Ultimately, are you suggesting that language is a hindrance or a source of liberation? Are you suggesting that the experience of liberation is unmediated by which I mean an experience which has no expression. How is it possible to know this? How on earth can we talk about silence being the source of liberation. I am of course a great admirer of Ramana Maharshi, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to dispute His reality; but if I am to experience liberation, what is the point of it? Does it exist outside of the body as a kind of transcendental Idealism? Or is liberation simply what we as individuals gesture towards; a sort of hope for purity. I confess to not knowing this, which for me is an ok place to be. Yours in Love,James From: yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.ilDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:06:41 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita , "Soul" <soulyoginima wrote:>> One needs not to know sanskrit for liberation, > or any language for that matter...> only Silence...> Ahhhh...> > Namaste,> Soul> there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.there is only one language - the language of the heart.there is only one religion - the religion of love.there is only one teacher – life itself.and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent.BOOM!yosy Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release 23/10/2008 7.54 Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release 23/10/2008 7.54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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