Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Realisation is probably not possible without Daya. Daya is at a > different level of mind than the manomayakosa. So a person can be a > lovely person at the ordinary level and stransmit the sakti prana we > all have. However that is common to all, and with a mix of mutal > attachment is often read as something different---Daya in fact. > > When Daya in most cases is at a different level of mind altogether. > Vegetarians talking to meat eaters, are speaking different languages > with no point of joint reference---then we have 'cognitive > dissonance'---carnalitas I call it..............Cheers Tony. > COGNITIVE DISSONANCE CARNALITAS. > > This is a version of cognitive dissonance that specifically applies > > to spirituality, especially Buddhism and Hinduism and their > > adherents. The Oxford Dictionary gives this meaning for Carnalitas;- > > Sensuality, Unspirituality and Fleshiness. > > In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa or > > resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice > non- > > violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the > > Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is not > > practiced by these people. > > However there are many on the `so called' spiritual path, especially > > Westerners, who have a conflict with this. They know and understand > > the teaching on Ahimsa and meat eating but yet ignore it and worse, > > try and rationalize it, with innumerable excuses on why they still > > partake of meat. > > > > Usually with ideas like; `All is one', it doesn't matter what one > > eats and so on. There seems to be a gap between the tenet of non- > > violence and what they consume. They do not seem to connect the > > torture and suffering of animals and what is on their plate. > > Obviously there is some Egoistic desire and habit associated with > > meat eating, which is stronger than their professed spirituality, > > which demands Ahimsa. > > I have studied this condition in spiritual seekers for some years > > and could never understand the `disconnect'. > > I finally decided that it is similar to the `True Believer > > Syndrome', and also `Cognitive Dissonance', both of which are > > cognitive disfunctions. > > So I have coined the phrase `Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas', to > > describe this condition. > > It only applies to `Eastern Spiritual Seekers', for other people who > > eat meat have no conflict, as it is accepted as part of their > > culture; So no cognitive dissonance arises……………..Tony O'Clery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Interesting, Thank you , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > Realisation is probably not possible without Daya. Daya is at a > > different level of mind than the manomayakosa. So a person can be a > > lovely person at the ordinary level and stransmit the sakti prana > we > > all have. However that is common to all, and with a mix of mutal > > attachment is often read as something different---Daya in fact. > > > > When Daya in most cases is at a different level of mind altogether. > > Vegetarians talking to meat eaters, are speaking different > languages > > with no point of joint reference---then we have 'cognitive > > dissonance'---carnalitas I call it..............Cheers Tony. > > > COGNITIVE DISSONANCE CARNALITAS. > > > This is a version of cognitive dissonance that specifically > applies > > > to spirituality, especially Buddhism and Hinduism and their > > > adherents. The Oxford Dictionary gives this meaning for > Carnalitas;- > > > Sensuality, Unspirituality and Fleshiness. > > > In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa > or > > > resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice > > non- > > > violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the > > > Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is > not > > > practiced by these people. > > > However there are many on the `so called' spiritual path, > especially > > > Westerners, who have a conflict with this. They know and > understand > > > the teaching on Ahimsa and meat eating but yet ignore it and > worse, > > > try and rationalize it, with innumerable excuses on why they still > > > partake of meat. > > > > > > Usually with ideas like; `All is one', it doesn't matter what one > > > eats and so on. There seems to be a gap between the tenet of non- > > > violence and what they consume. They do not seem to connect the > > > torture and suffering of animals and what is on their plate. > > > Obviously there is some Egoistic desire and habit associated with > > > meat eating, which is stronger than their professed spirituality, > > > which demands Ahimsa. > > > I have studied this condition in spiritual seekers for some years > > > and could never understand the `disconnect'. > > > I finally decided that it is similar to the `True Believer > > > Syndrome', and also `Cognitive Dissonance', both of which are > > > cognitive disfunctions. > > > So I have coined the phrase `Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas', to > > > describe this condition. > > > It only applies to `Eastern Spiritual Seekers', for other people > who > > > eat meat have no conflict, as it is accepted as part of their > > > culture; So no cognitive dissonance arises……………..Tony O'Clery. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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