Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Soul, > > This is very interesting and I too puzzled over the use of the word 'association', something new . I think if it meant 'identification', the translators would have said so. But they translated 'sanga' meaning association. > > As we well know from self-observation the mind is largely a slave to asssociative thought, one idea triggering off another, so the constant arising of associations in most cases seem to spring from these latent tendencies , unless of course we are using discriminative intellect with attention, when they may assist. > > So, in our practice of mind control, through watching the breath, or whatever other sadhana we may use , japa, etc. we need to abandon this slavery to random associations which pop up aimlssly. This is my interpretation, but I am open to question, in the sense that I am not absolutely certain, and someone else may interpret the verse differently or agree with me . I trust someone else will give their opinion . > > Thanks for raisin the question. > > All best wishes and regards, > > Alan alan, soul, dear friends, if i may... seems here vasanas, or various mental tendencies, are in fact habitual thought patterns, and the resulting conditional reflexes. they are developed through repetetive associations with pleasant/unpleasant sensations, desirable versus nondesirable effects etc. vasanas result, and inseperable from associations. thus obviously relating directly to what is, without any judgement or association, reminaining in the self alone, frees from the fetters of conditioned, mistaken identity... respectfully, yosy > > --- On Thu, 9/10/08, Soul <soulyoginima wrote: > > Soul <soulyoginima > Re: Vasanas 4 Continued > > Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 1:42 AM Thank you Alan, > > Can someone explain 92 in other words? > Does it mean vasanas are identification, as another word > for " association " ? > > Namaste, > Soul > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > VASANAS 4 from Padamalai- P.248 Continued > > > > 89 Destroy the worldly vasanas. Sow the vasana of chidakasa [the > expanse of consciousness] in your Heart. > > > > 90 Expelling the accumulation of evil vasanas from your Heart, > garner in copious quantities the wealth of God [which is grace]. > > > > 91 Through the momentum gained by the practice of bhakti yoga, > which is loving Isvara, attain the destruction of vasanas in your > Heart. > > > > 92 Truly, vasanas are association [sanga]. You should therefore > know that their extinction is the total abandonment of all > association. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dear Alan, Upadesa and Yosyx, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this question. Namaste, Soul , " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote: > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Soul, > > > > This is very interesting and I too puzzled over the use of the > word 'association', something new . I think if it > meant 'identification', the translators would have said so. But they > translated 'sanga' meaning association. > > > > As we well know from self-observation the mind is largely a slave > to asssociative thought, one idea triggering off another, so the > constant arising of associations in most cases seem to spring from > these latent tendencies , unless of course we are using > discriminative intellect with attention, when they may assist. > > > > So, in our practice of mind control, through watching the breath, > or whatever other sadhana we may use , japa, etc. we need to abandon > this slavery to random associations which pop up aimlssly. This is my > interpretation, but I am open to question, in the sense that I am not > absolutely certain, and someone else may interpret the verse > differently or agree with me . I trust someone else will give their > opinion . > > > > Thanks for raisin the question. > > > > All best wishes and regards, > > > > Alan > > > > alan, soul, dear friends, if i may... > > seems here vasanas, or various mental tendencies, are > in fact habitual thought patterns, and the resulting > conditional reflexes. they are developed through > repetetive associations with pleasant/unpleasant > sensations, desirable versus nondesirable effects etc. > vasanas result, and inseperable from associations. > thus obviously relating directly to what is, without > any judgement or association, reminaining in the self > alone, frees from the fetters of conditioned, mistaken > identity... > > > respectfully, > yosy > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/10/08, Soul <soulyoginima@> wrote: > > > > Soul <soulyoginima@> > > Re: Vasanas 4 Continued > > > > Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 1:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Alan, > > > > Can someone explain 92 in other words? > > Does it mean vasanas are identification, as another word > > for " association " ? > > > > Namaste, > > Soul > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > VASANAS 4 from Padamalai- P.248 Continued > > > > > > 89 Destroy the worldly vasanas. Sow the vasana of chidakasa [the > > expanse of consciousness] in your Heart. > > > > > > 90 Expelling the accumulation of evil vasanas from your Heart, > > garner in copious quantities the wealth of God [which is grace]. > > > > > > 91 Through the momentum gained by the practice of bhakti yoga, > > which is loving Isvara, attain the destruction of vasanas in your > > Heart. > > > > > > 92 Truly, vasanas are association [sanga]. You should therefore > > know that their extinction is the total abandonment of all > > association. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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