Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Another vasana posting from AHAM. > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come > forth from the > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there > killed by the > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally) > conquered. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > These quotations are from the book, > Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who " > published by Sri Ramanasramam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Dear Alan and freinds, Yes.... Who is aeare of the vasanas? Namaste, Soul , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Another vasana posting from AHAM. > > > > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come > > forth from the > > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there > > killed by the > > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally) > > conquered. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > These quotations are from the book, > > Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who " > > published by Sri Ramanasramam. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 sat vasana is aware of vasanas. there is a Sun which rising, manifests the crude stone as well as manifests more ínside´ those of them that have better polish. That sun in the stone is aware of vasanas, being neither entirely independant of the stone nor of the Sun. what technology! hari om!JJ --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Soul <soulyoginima wrote: Soul <soulyoginima Re: more on vasanas 2 Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:47 AM Aware...., "Soul" <soulyoginima@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Alan and freinds,> > > Yes.... Who is aeare of the vasanas?> > > Namaste,> Soul> > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@ > wrote:> >> > Another vasana posting from AHAM.> > >> > > > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come> > > forth from the> > > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there> > > killed by the> > > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)> > > conquered.> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~> > > > > > These quotations are from the book,> > > Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by "Who"> > > published by Sri Ramanasramam.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Alan I am puzzled. > " Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who " > published by Sri Ramanasramam. " is indeed a wonderful publication from Sri Ramanasramam. Authored by Sri Lakshmana Sarma. Why are you bringing aham into it? They are a commercial institution, who sell " courses in self-realization " . I find this strange. MC-M , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Another vasana posting from AHAM. > > > > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come > > forth from the > > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there > > killed by the > > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally) > > conquered. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > These quotations are from the book, > > Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who " > > published by Sri Ramanasramam. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Namaste, It is seen here that vasanas are part of who i am not... part of the conditioning, mind... not who i am. And so, there is no vasana to 'fix' although they appear in awareness, no denying that. It seems to keep returning to the truth of who i am, is all that is needed, and a continual seeing that the conditioning, min, body etc is not who iam. It is all simply the play of consciosness. So the question 'who is aware of the vasanas?' or 'who has the vasanas?' ... Blessings to dear sangha friends, Soul , " J. J. " <atmaJJJnana wrote: > > sat vasana is aware of vasanas. > ?> there is a Sun which rising, manifests?the crude stone as well as > manifests more ínside?those of them that have better polish. > ?> That sun in the stone is aware of vasanas, being neither entirely independant of the stone nor of the Sun. > ?> what technology! > ?> hari om! > > JJ > > ?> ??> > --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Soul <soulyoginima wrote: > > Soul <soulyoginima > Re: more on vasanas 2 > > Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:47 AM Aware.... > , " Soul " <soulyoginima@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Alan and freinds, > > > > > > Yes.... Who is aeare of the vasanas? > > > > > > Namaste, > > Soul > > > > > > > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@ > wrote: > > > > > > Another vasana posting from AHAM. > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come > > > > forth from the > > > > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there > > > > killed by the > > > > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally) > > > > conquered. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ > > > > > > > > These quotations are from the book, > > > > Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who " > > > > published by Sri Ramanasramam. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Michael, You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However, the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teaching and if authentic, and relevent to our current threads, I have posted it. The posting is edited to exclude any general AHAM information but some brief acknowledgement is given. I feel on occaisions they are worth while posting if relevent. They have raised certain questions from members because as you say the Guru Ramana Vachana Mala is a great book. I trust this is a sufficient explanation. All regards and best wishes, Alan --- On Thu, 16/10/08, MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote: MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere Re: more on vasanas 2 Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 9:08 PM Alan I am puzzled.>"Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by "Who"> published by Sri Ramanasramam. "is indeed a wonderful publication from Sri Ramanasramam.Authored by Sri Lakshmana Sarma.Why are you bringing aham into it? They are a commercial institution,who sell "courses in self-realization" .I find this strange.MC-M, Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> Another vasana posting from AHAM.> >> > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come> > forth from the> > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there> > killed by the> > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)> > conquered.> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~> > > > These quotations are from the book,> > Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by "Who"> > published by Sri Ramanasramam.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 >> I trust this is a sufficient explanation. It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy. One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position would have such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that there would be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use this list to proliferate it. Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement. This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leader has even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-( You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you. Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowed commercial ventures to use this list to advertise. Harsha, what is your take on this this? Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits like aham to have their shoddy wares advertised? , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Michael, > Â > You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However, the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teaching and if authentic... > I trust this is a sufficient explanation. > Â > All regards and best wishes, > Â > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Dear Michael, It is not my wish to offend you, nor take issue with you. I will no longer post from AHAM so as not to upset anyone such as your goodself. All best wishes and kind regards, Alan --- On Sun, 19/10/08, MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote: MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere Re: more on vasanas 2 Date: Sunday, 19 October, 2008, 7:26 AM >> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy.One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position wouldhave such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that therewould be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use thislist to proliferate it.Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement.This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leaderhas even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-(You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you.Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowedcommercial ventures to use this list to advertise.Harsha, what is your take on this this? Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits likeaham to have their shoddy wares advertised?, Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Michael,> Â > You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However,the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teachingand if authentic...> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.> Â > All regards and best wishes,> Â > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Dear Alan Jacobs Dear Michael Cape-Meadows Alan, you do know that i appreciate your ongoing efforts for our Sangha. Michael Cape, i do not want to offend you - b u t please try not to be too narrow-minded... Like Alan stated: the daily messages are free of charge, so who s does not automatically assist their "business ventures". At at least - in my opinion - people who say they follow the path of Advaita should be capable of differentiating... So i have the impression that by your offensive words you stopped Alans assistance to those who are in need or believe to be in need of those daily messages. Does this result makes you "happy"? And besides, someone like Alan Jacobs, is capable enough to differentiate what is good for our sangha and bad. Dear Michael, what is the use of a sangha like ours for those who are "beginners" on our way, if you hamper such efforts of Alan and others For thos "purists" even a sangha like ours - looking at the "modern development" (with blogs etc) cannot be the right place... With all due respect to both of you in love in Ramana michael - MIchael Cape-Meadows Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:26 AM Re: more on vasanas 2 >> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy.One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position wouldhave such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that therewould be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use thislist to proliferate it.Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement.This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leaderhas even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-(You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you.Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowedcommercial ventures to use this list to advertise.Harsha, what is your take on this this? Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits likeaham to have their shoddy wares advertised? , Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs wrote:>> Dear Michael,> Â > You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However,the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teachingand if authentic...> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.> Â > All regards and best wishes,> Â > Alan Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release 17/10/2008 19.01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Dear Michael, Thanks for sharing. The fact that Aham's founder (Dee W. Trammell) has named himself Arunachala Ramana (A. Ramana) and often goes simply by the name Ramana does cause considerable confusion among those who are not familiar with Bhagavan or are just new to the path. There is only one Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. If someone gives himself the same name, what can we do? Of course, one cannot help think that this causes a mixup between the two in the mind of the beginners on the path. Possibly, this is the intended effect. Who knows? Someone can start calling himself Lao Tzu. Another person can change his name to Mahatama Gandhi. Someone's name may be Maha Lakshmi Devi. So name is one thing and pure being is another. Sri Ramana is not the name but the Heart. People will be attracted to whomever they wish to be attracted to. Dearest Michael Cape-Meadows. You worry too much :-). Bhagavan Sri Ramana has no equals. Water always finds its own level. Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Ramana Harsha On Behalf Of MIchael Cape-Meadows Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:26 AM Re: more on vasanas 2 >> I trust this is a sufficient explanation. It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy. One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position would have such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that there would be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use this list to proliferate it. Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement. This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leader has even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-( You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you. Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowed commercial ventures to use this list to advertise. Harsha, what is your take on this this? Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits like aham to have their shoddy wares advertised? , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Michael, > Â > You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However, the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teaching and if authentic... > I trust this is a sufficient explanation. > Â > All regards and best wishes, > Â > Alan --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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