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Another vasana posting from AHAM.

>

>

> Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come

> forth from the

> mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there

> killed by the

> sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)

> conquered.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> These quotations are from the book,

> Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who "

> published by Sri Ramanasramam.

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Dear Alan and freinds,

 

 

Yes.... Who is aeare of the vasanas?

 

 

Namaste,

Soul

 

 

 

 

 

, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Another vasana posting from AHAM.

> >

> >

> > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come

> > forth from the

> > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there

> > killed by the

> > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)

> > conquered.

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > These quotations are from the book,

> > Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who "

> > published by Sri Ramanasramam.

>

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sat vasana is aware of vasanas.

 

there is a Sun which rising, manifests the crude stone as well as

manifests more ínside´ those of them that have better polish.

 

That sun in the stone is aware of vasanas, being neither entirely independant of the stone nor of the Sun.

 

what technology!

 

hari om!JJ

 

 

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Soul <soulyoginima wrote:

Soul <soulyoginima Re: more on vasanas 2 Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:47 AM

 

 

Aware...., "Soul" <soulyoginima@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Alan and freinds,> > > Yes.... Who is aeare of the vasanas?> > > Namaste,> Soul> > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@ > wrote:> >> > Another vasana posting from AHAM.> > >> > > > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come> > > forth from the> > > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there> > > killed by the> > > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)> > >

conquered.> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~> > > > > > These quotations are from the book,> > > Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by "Who"> > > published by Sri Ramanasramam.> >>

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Alan I am puzzled.

> " Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who "

> published by Sri Ramanasramam. "

 

is indeed a wonderful publication from Sri Ramanasramam.

Authored by Sri Lakshmana Sarma.

Why are you bringing aham into it? They are a commercial institution,

who sell " courses in self-realization " .

 

I find this strange.

 

MC-M

, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Another vasana posting from AHAM.

> >

> >

> > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come

> > forth from the

> > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there

> > killed by the

> > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)

> > conquered.

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > These quotations are from the book,

> > Guru--Ramana--Vachana--Mala by Murunagar Translated by " Who "

> > published by Sri Ramanasramam.

>

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Namaste,

 

It is seen here that vasanas are part of who i am not... part of the

conditioning, mind... not who i am.

And so, there is no vasana to 'fix' although they appear in

awareness, no denying that.

It seems to keep returning to the truth of who i am, is all that is

needed, and a continual seeing that the conditioning, min, body etc

is not who iam. It is all simply the play of consciosness.

So the question 'who is aware of the vasanas?' or 'who has the

vasanas?' ...

 

Blessings to dear sangha friends,

Soul

 

 

 

, " J. J. " <atmaJJJnana

wrote:

>

> sat vasana is aware of vasanas.

> ?> there is a Sun which rising, manifests?the crude stone as well

as

> manifests more  ínside?those of them that have better polish.

> ?> That sun in the stone is aware of vasanas, being neither

entirely independant of the stone nor of the Sun.

> ?> what technology!

> ?> hari om!

>

> JJ

>

> ?> ??>

> --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Soul <soulyoginima wrote:

>

> Soul <soulyoginima

> Re: more on vasanas 2

>

> Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:47 AM

Aware....

> , " Soul "

<soulyoginima@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Alan and freinds,

> >

> >

> > Yes.... Who is aeare of the vasanas?

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Soul

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Alan Jacobs

> > <alanadamsjacobs@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Another vasana posting from AHAM.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come

> > > > forth from the

> > > > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there

> > > > killed by the

> > > > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)

> > > > conquered.

> > > >

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

> > > >

> > > > These quotations are from the book,

> > > > Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated

by " Who "

> > > > published by Sri Ramanasramam.

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Michael,

 

You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However, the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teaching and if authentic, and relevent to our current threads, I have posted it. The posting is edited to exclude any general AHAM information but some brief acknowledgement is given. I feel on occaisions they are worth while posting if relevent. They have raised certain questions from members because as you say the Guru Ramana Vachana Mala is a great book.

 

I trust this is a sufficient explanation.

 

All regards and best wishes,

 

Alan --- On Thu, 16/10/08, MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote:

MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere Re: more on vasanas 2 Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 9:08 PM

 

 

Alan I am puzzled.>"Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by "Who"> published by Sri Ramanasramam. "is indeed a wonderful publication from Sri Ramanasramam.Authored by Sri Lakshmana Sarma.Why are you bringing aham into it? They are a commercial institution,who sell "courses in self-realization" .I find this strange.MC-M, Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> Another vasana posting from AHAM.> >> > > > Verse 28. If the vasanas (taints of the mind) that come> > forth from the> > mind, like soldiers from within a fort, are then and there> > killed by the> > sword of the Quest of the Self, the mind is (finally)> > conquered.> > > >

~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~> > > > These quotations are from the book,> > Guru--Ramana- -Vachana- -Mala by Murunagar Translated by "Who"> > published by Sri Ramanasramam.>

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>> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.

It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy.

One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position would

have such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that there

would be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use this

list to proliferate it.

 

Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement.

 

This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leader

has even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-(

 

You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you.

 

Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowed

commercial ventures to use this list to advertise.

 

Harsha, what is your take on this this?

Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits like

aham to have their shoddy wares advertised?

 

, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Dear Michael,

> Â

> You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However,

the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teaching

and if authentic...

> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.

> Â

> All regards and best wishes,

> Â

> Alan

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Dear Michael,

 

It is not my wish to offend you, nor take issue with you. I will no longer post from AHAM so as not to upset anyone such as your goodself.

 

All best wishes and kind regards,

 

Alan --- On Sun, 19/10/08, MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote:

MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere Re: more on vasanas 2 Date: Sunday, 19 October, 2008, 7:26 AM

 

 

>> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy.One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position wouldhave such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that therewould be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use thislist to proliferate it.Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement.This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leaderhas even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-(You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you.Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowedcommercial ventures to use this list to advertise.Harsha, what is your take on this this? Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits likeaham to have their shoddy wares advertised?, Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Michael,> Â > You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However,the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teachingand if authentic...> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.> Â > All regards and best wishes,> Â > Alan

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Dear Alan Jacobs

Dear Michael Cape-Meadows

 

Alan, you do know that i appreciate your ongoing efforts for our Sangha.

Michael Cape, i do not want to offend you - b u t please try not to be too narrow-minded...

Like Alan stated: the daily messages are free of charge, so who s does not automatically assist their "business ventures".

At at least - in my opinion - people who say they follow the path of Advaita should be capable of differentiating...

So i have the impression that by your offensive words you stopped Alans assistance to those who are in need or believe to be in need of those daily messages.

Does this result makes you "happy"?

 

And besides, someone like Alan Jacobs, is capable enough to differentiate what is good for our sangha and bad.

Dear Michael, what is the use of a sangha like ours for those who are "beginners" on our way, if you hamper such efforts of Alan and others

 

For thos "purists" even a sangha like ours - looking at the "modern development" (with blogs etc) cannot be the right place...

 

With all due respect to both of you

 

in love in Ramana

 

michael

 

-

MIchael Cape-Meadows

Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:26 AM

Re: more on vasanas 2

 

 

>> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy.One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position wouldhave such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that therewould be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use thislist to proliferate it.Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement.This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leaderhas even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-(You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you.Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowedcommercial ventures to use this list to advertise.Harsha, what is your take on this this? Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits likeaham to have their shoddy wares advertised? , Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs wrote:>> Dear Michael,> Â > You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However,the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teachingand if authentic...> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.> Â > All regards and best wishes,> Â > Alan

 

 

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Dear Michael,

 

Thanks for sharing. The fact that Aham's founder (Dee W. Trammell) has named

himself Arunachala Ramana (A. Ramana) and often goes simply by the name

Ramana does cause considerable confusion among those who are not familiar

with Bhagavan or are just new to the path.

 

There is only one Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. If someone gives himself the

same name, what can we do? Of course, one cannot help think that this causes

a mixup between the two in the mind of the beginners on the path. Possibly,

this is the intended effect. Who knows?

 

Someone can start calling himself Lao Tzu. Another person can change his

name to Mahatama Gandhi. Someone's name may be Maha Lakshmi Devi.

 

So name is one thing and pure being is another. Sri Ramana is not the name

but the Heart. People will be attracted to whomever they wish to be

attracted to. Dearest Michael Cape-Meadows. You worry too much :-). Bhagavan

Sri Ramana has no equals.

 

Water always finds its own level.

 

Namaste and love to all

Yours in Bhagavan Ramana

Harsha

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of MIchael Cape-Meadows

Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:26 AM

 

Re: more on vasanas 2

 

>> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.

It helps to explain, but it doesn't satisfy.

One would have hoped and expected that a man in your position would

have such a wealth of Ramana wisdom at his fingertips, that there

would be no need to to a 'Daily Thought', and then use this

list to proliferate it.

 

Plugging them in this way suggest a connexion, or perhaps an involvement.

 

This outfit not only SELLS course with guarantees, but their leader

has even taken the name of our beloved Ramana! :-(

 

You must know this, and it is apparently of no concern for you.

 

Well if I remember correctly, the list owner had not allowed

commercial ventures to use this list to advertise.

 

Harsha, what is your take on this this?

Are you happy for your list to be used as a medium for outfits like

aham to have their shoddy wares advertised?

 

, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Dear Michael,

> Â

> You are right in the sense that AHAM charge for courses. However,

the Daily Thought they send is usually direct from Bhagavan's teaching

and if authentic...

> I trust this is a sufficient explanation.

> Â

> All regards and best wishes,

> Â

> Alan

 

 

 

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