Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear Alan thank you for your precise and understandable clarification of this thread.... in Sri Ramana michael - alan jacobs Monday, October 27, 2008 9:32 AM Re: Bhagavad Gita, DO I NEED AN EGO TO LIVE? ,Dear friends,In my opinion1. The ego is naturally formed by Consciousness identifying with the mind and body at an early age, and at this stage it is necessary in order to live.2. When the ego becomes mature and starts to see through the charade of life, its most intelligent part, intellectual discrimination, starts seeking for a solution to its life of rare joys and more frequent suffering.3. Through Grace it eventually comes into touch with this Teaching and then becomes the spring board for diving into the heart searching for its own source, or mistaken identity as a separate egotistic individual.4. After Self Realisation the ego is consumed in the Heart . The Jnani then lives from the Self which contains the attributes of intelligence, discrimination, dispassion and unconditional love .5.He now lives from what is termed the 'no mind state' i.e. the non egotistic state, quite satisfactorily in the apparant world, egolessly. The ego is then not needed to live, nor is it available.Alan Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release 26/10/2008 19.53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Namaste James it seems as if PATIENCE is something you should develop Patience is indeed most needed.... in Sri Ramana michael - james cogdell Monday, October 27, 2008 8:57 AM RE: Bhagavad Gita, DO I NEED AN EGO TO LIVE? Hi All,So do we need anEgo to live or not?James From: satishvijayan Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:08:56 +0000Re: Bhagavad Gita, DO I NEED AN EGO TO LIVE? I think thats a chicken or egg question. The evolution from Tamas->Rajas->Satwic->Nirgun was an eye-opener, when I read it. I got it from multiple sources. Previously, I believed that status, competition, success, money etc were the only things that mattered. Still a workaholic, but am working on it:)Once I started meditation, I got interested in the science behind it, and read everything I could get my hands on. I loved Ramana Maharshi, Swamy Vivekanand, Ramakrishna Paramahansa and the Sai babas. Rgds , james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote:>> > Hi Satish,> I love your 2c!!> But what do you base your argument on? What came first for you, the learning of this psychological ontology (the map), or the actual experience of this evolution (the territory)? > Much Love,> James Get the best wallpapers on the Web - FREE. Click here! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release 26/10/2008 19.53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 , " alan jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > ,Dear friends, > > In my opinion > > 1. The ego is naturally formed by Consciousness identifying with the mind and body at an > early age, and at this stage it is necessary in order to live. > > 2. When the ego becomes mature and starts to see through the charade of life, its most > intelligent part, intellectual discrimination, starts seeking for a solution to its life of rare > joys and more frequent suffering. > > 3. Through Grace it eventually comes into touch with this Teaching and then becomes the > spring board for diving into the heart searching for its own source, or mistaken identity as > a separate egotistic individual. > > 4. After Self Realisation the ego is consumed in the Heart . The Jnani then lives from the > Self which contains the attributes of intelligence, discrimination, dispassion and > unconditional love . > > 5.He now lives from what is termed the 'no mind state' i.e. the non egotistic state, quite > satisfactorily in the apparant world, egolessly. The ego is then not needed to live, nor is it > available. > > Alan Namaste, Depends what one means by ego....The animals have the same tool, and it is used to react to danger and to fear. An animal knows when it is being threatened and takes appropriate action.. This reaction in humans has been grossly expanded and so is now the 'EGO' where the mind and desire is identifying with a reactive mechanism and that's all it is....Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Namaste' Friends, I'm with Tony here. The way I see it is that the ego is re-action and therefore not necessary at all. Action arises naturally with seeing as Seeing is Doing. Love, James (the other one) , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > , " alan jacobs " > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > ,Dear friends, > > > > In my opinion > > > > 1. The ego is naturally formed by Consciousness identifying with > the mind and body at an > > early age, and at this stage it is necessary in order to live. > > > > 2. When the ego becomes mature and starts to see through the > charade of life, its most > > intelligent part, intellectual discrimination, starts seeking for a > solution to its life of rare > > joys and more frequent suffering. > > > > 3. Through Grace it eventually comes into touch with this Teaching > and then becomes the > > spring board for diving into the heart searching for its own > source, or mistaken identity as > > a separate egotistic individual. > > > > 4. After Self Realisation the ego is consumed in the Heart . The > Jnani then lives from the > > Self which contains the attributes of intelligence, discrimination, > dispassion and > > unconditional love . > > > > 5.He now lives from what is termed the 'no mind state' i.e. the non > egotistic state, quite > > satisfactorily in the apparant world, egolessly. The ego is then > not needed to live, nor is it > > available. > > > > Alan > > Namaste, > > Depends what one means by ego....The animals have the same tool, and > it is used to react to danger and to fear. An animal knows when it is > being threatened and takes appropriate action.. This reaction in > humans has been grossly expanded and so is now the 'EGO' where the > mind and desire is identifying with a reactive mechanism and that's > all it is....Cheers Tony. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 , " Satish Vijayan " <satishvijayan wrote: > > My 2C: Annihilation of the ego is equivalent to the evolution of > character. The soul evolves through Tamasic (animal-like - only > interested in sensual pleasures) to Rajasic (activity driven - living > for fame, money, power, lust) to Sattwic (Still active - but > realising that there is more to life than money, power - still loving > beauty - still attached to the world). From here we make the > evolution to Nirguna - featureless. This evolution does not mean that > we're characterless, but that we're beyond character. This is the > stage at which the ego is finally annhilated. > > However, the soul HAS to go through the evolution. If we try to kill > the ego at an earlier stage - we end up as characterless/colorless > individuals. That is counterproductive and not the goal of Saadhana. > The trick is to recognise ourselves (we sometimes need a guru for > this). We need to develop character - all great saints/rishis had > previous roles/incarnations as leaders of society. > > So my answer to your question would be - depends on where you are at > in your evolution. If you love the trappings of wealth and power - > you need to overcome that - through your karmas and through selfless > service. Once you have overcome the love of things material - thats > when a focus on destroying the ego comes into play. > > You don't need an ego to live... you need character. Again, this is > just my 2c based on interpretations of what I've read. > > Rgds > > , " Michael Bindel " > <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Namaste JAMES > > > > > > thank you for your information. > > Glad that you too share that what i realized regarding Ego. > > And of course its of no use - its contraproductive indeed - to use > the " term " Ego as a scapegoat. Like in all other fields of our > lessonstage LIFE! Nearly all are looking for scapegoats - > like " jews " " gypsies " " chinese " " communists " and all other " " " and > the result is the actual stage the film of life is shown.... > > Ego has to be accepted as a necessary tool for realizing TRUTH. > Somewhere beloved Sadguru Sri Ramana stated this too.... > > Only after having seen what the use or misuse of ego results in we > have the chance with Grace to change it.... > > > > be embraced > > > > michael Namaste, Ego is when a subatomic particle reacts to another---Again it is our magnification of this reaction. Ramana says realisation is like a baby feeding automatically and not being totally aware of it...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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