Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 What is the ego? In the end, it really is black-and-white. But of course, it all depends upon the sincerity of our interest in genuine and truly radical transformation. That's why there is so much confusion about the question: What is ego? Because our ability to recognize the true face of the ego, to see it for what it actually is, depends entirely upon how far we want to go on the spiritual path. A simple psychological definition of the ego is something like the "self-organizing principle," that all-important command center in the psyche that coordinates the different aspects of the self. And that command center must be in good working order for a human being to be able to function in the world with any reasonable degree of competency. The ego as self-organizing principle is neither positive nor negative; its function is mechanistic, and in that, it has no self nature. But there is another definition of ego, and the ego in that definition has self nature. The human face of that ego is pride; is arrogant self-importance; is narcissistic self-infatuation; is the need to see oneself as being separate at all times, in all places, through all circumstances—and that ego is the unrelenting enemy of all that is truly wholesome in the human experience. When this ego is unmasked, seen directly for what it is, finally unobscured by the other expressions of the personality, one finds oneself literally face-to-face with a demon—a demon that thrives on power, domination, control and separation, that cares only about itself and is willing to destroy anything and everything that is good and true in order to survive intact and always in control. This demon lacks any capacity for empathy, compassion, generosity or love; delights in its perfect invulnerability; and, worst of all, will never ever acknowledge that which is sacred. But I knew none of this when I began teaching the path to liberation fourteen years ago. At that time, I had no idea of the magnitude of the battle I had taken on by daring to lead others to the yonder shore. In those days I thought spiritual experience, tasting the miraculous and unlimited depth of the Self beyond time and mind, would instill enough reverence and awe in the seeker to empower them to face whatever needed to be faced and bear whatever needed to be borne in order to be free. But oh how wrong I was! I didn't realize then that for most seekers, enlightenment experiences were not the end of the path but only the beginning. It's true that without that depth of spiritual experience, it is very difficult for a seeker to take the possibility of their own liberation seriously—but even when one has experienced that depth of Self, when push comes to shove, when our back is against the wall, when like Jesus or the Buddha we must face directly into the darkest regions of the human soul, how many among us will have such love for the truth alone that we will courageously remain unmoved and immovable? I can't tell you how many times I have witnessed the shocking and often frightening transformation of a human personality when faced squarely with the truth of its own division, hypocrisy and deceit: in an instant, a warm, intelligent, sensitive, apparently caring personality can change, becoming the face of pure ego, glaring with narcissistic rage because it has been exposed. It is because of many experiences like this that I have spent countless hours thinking about the questions: What is the personality? Who is the individual? It seems that in the end it really is black-and-white, simply because who we are depends upon where our allegiance lies. Is it with the narcissistic ego? Or is it with the spiritual heart? Of course, we can only really find out the answer to that question when we are tested because otherwise it's inevitable that the truth of our own condition will remain obscured, masked by self-concepts that are based on the ego's need to always see itself in a positive light—even if it sees itself as a victim. Who we are and how we perceive our own experience and the world around us depend upon where our allegiance lies. The perspective of the individual who has surrendered the will of their own ego to their spiritual heart is drastically different from the perspective of one who has not. But it is important to understand that because the ego can usurp any calling of the human soul in order to remain in control—even the longing for liberation—it's usually impossible to tell exactly who it is who is claiming they want to be free until that moment when their faith and love for truth alone are put to the test. It is only then that we can actually find out who we really are and what part of our self is pulling the strings of our own destiny. To walk the spiritual path in earnest is to find out what we're made of and how much we are truly willing to give up in order to come to the end of division within ourselves. The price for that kind of profound and deeply liberating simplicity is too high for most, because that price is ego death. What does that mean? That means endeavoring with all our being to purify ourselves from any and every attachment, gross and subtle, to the narcissistic ego, that demon of false individuality that masquerades as our own self and whose task it is to keep us, at all costs, separate from our own heart. Andrew Cohen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Great! Thanks Mourad. , " mourad " <mourad_shamel wrote: > > > What is the ego? > > In the end, it really is black-and-white. But of course, it all depends > upon the sincerity of our interest in genuine and truly radical > transformation. That's why there is so much confusion about the > question: What is ego? Because our ability to recognize the true face of > the ego, to see it for what it actually is, depends entirely upon how > far we want to go on the spiritual path. > > A simple psychological definition of the ego is something like the > " self-organizing principle, " that all-important command center in the > psyche that coordinates the different aspects of the self. And that > command center must be in good working order for a human being to be > able to function in the world with any reasonable degree of competency. > The ego as self-organizing principle is neither positive nor negative; > its function is mechanistic, and in that, it has no self nature. But > there is another definition of ego, and the ego in that definition has > self nature. The human face of that ego is pride; is arrogant > self-importance; is narcissistic self-infatuation; is the need to see > oneself as being separate at all times, in all places, through all > circumstances—and that ego is the unrelenting enemy of all that is > truly wholesome in the human experience. When this ego is unmasked, seen > directly for what it is, finally unobscured by the other expressions of > the personality, one finds oneself literally face-to-face with a > demon—a demon that thrives on power, domination, control and > separation, that cares only about itself and is willing to destroy > anything and everything that is good and true in order to survive intact > and always in control. This demon lacks any capacity for empathy, > compassion, generosity or love; delights in its perfect invulnerability; > and, worst of all, will never ever acknowledge that which is sacred. > > But I knew none of this when I began teaching the path to liberation > fourteen years ago. At that time, I had no idea of the magnitude of the > battle I had taken on by daring to lead others to the yonder shore. In > those days I thought spiritual experience, tasting the miraculous and > unlimited depth of the Self beyond time and mind, would instill enough > reverence and awe in the seeker to empower them to face whatever needed > to be faced and bear whatever needed to be borne in order to be free. > But oh how wrong I was! I didn't realize then that for most seekers, > enlightenment experiences were not the end of the path but only the > beginning. It's true that without that depth of spiritual experience, it > is very difficult for a seeker to take the possibility of their own > liberation seriously—but even when one has experienced that depth of > Self, when push comes to shove, when our back is against the wall, when > like Jesus or the Buddha we must face directly into the darkest regions > of the human soul, how many among us will have such love for the truth > alone that we will courageously remain unmoved and immovable? > > I can't tell you how many times I have witnessed the shocking and often > frightening transformation of a human personality when faced squarely > with the truth of its own division, hypocrisy and deceit: in an instant, > a warm, intelligent, sensitive, apparently caring personality can > change, becoming the face of pure ego, glaring with narcissistic rage > because it has been exposed. It is because of many experiences like this > that I have spent countless hours thinking about the questions: What is > the personality? Who is the individual? It seems that in the end it > really is black-and-white, simply because who we are depends upon where > our allegiance lies. Is it with the narcissistic ego? Or is it with the > spiritual heart? Of course, we can only really find out the answer to > that question when we are tested because otherwise it's inevitable that > the truth of our own condition will remain obscured, masked by > self-concepts that are based on the ego's need to always see itself in a > positive light—even if it sees itself as a victim. > > Who we are and how we perceive our own experience and the world around > us depend upon where our allegiance lies. The perspective of the > individual who has surrendered the will of their own ego to their > spiritual heart is drastically different from the perspective of one who > has not. But it is important to understand that because the ego can > usurp any calling of the human soul in order to remain in > control—even the longing for liberation—it's usually impossible > to tell exactly who it is who is claiming they want to be free until > that moment when their faith and love for truth alone are put to the > test. It is only then that we can actually find out who we really are > and what part of our self is pulling the strings of our own destiny. > > To walk the spiritual path in earnest is to find out what we're made of > and how much we are truly willing to give up in order to come to the end > of division within ourselves. The price for that kind of profound and > deeply liberating simplicity is too high for most, because that price is > ego death. What does that mean? That means endeavoring with all our > being to purify ourselves from any and every attachment, gross and > subtle, to the narcissistic ego, that demon of false individuality that > masquerades as our own self and whose task it is to keep us, at all > costs, separate from our own heart. > > Andrew Cohen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 , " mourad " <mourad_shamel wrote: > > > What is the ego? > > In the end, it really is black-and-white. But of course, it all depends > upon the sincerity of our interest in genuine and truly radical > transformation. That's why there is so much confusion about the > question: What is ego? Because our ability to recognize the true Namaste,IMO, The big ego 'I' 'creates' the universal delusion. Well for arguments sake anyway. The personal ego is an exaggerated reactive mechanism, mainly of fear/defence, that has been turned into an idea or personal existance...Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 So there are two ego's now! Wow...it is getting rather complicated....hahaha! -- In , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > , " mourad " <mourad_shamel@> > wrote: > > > > > > What is the ego? > > > > In the end, it really is black-and-white. But of course, it all > depends > > upon the sincerity of our interest in genuine and truly radical > > transformation. That's why there is so much confusion about the > > question: What is ego? Because our ability to recognize the true > > Namaste,IMO, > > The big ego 'I' 'creates' the universal delusion. Well for arguments > sake anyway. > The personal ego is an exaggerated reactive mechanism, mainly of > fear/defence, that has been turned into an idea or personal > existance...Cheers Tony. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 , " Soul " <soulyoginima wrote: > > So there are two ego's now! Wow...it is getting rather > complicated....hahaha! > Namaste, There are two 'I's in delusion...The I or ahamkara of the individual and the 'I-I' of the Mahat, Hiranyagharba or whatever, also ultimately unreal. The mind itself is the 'I 'and it 'creates'. The individual ego is just an exaggeration of the defence or fear mechanism reactive response that's all. So when you use Ramana's Who am I, you find the I-I..the Universal I. Ultimately as Ramana states the Truth is Ajativada. see my wikipedia entry.............Cheers Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Namaste.. Beyond mind, beyond words, beyond knowledge, the truth of our Being is found. Blessings! Soul , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > , " Soul " <soulyoginima@> wrote: > > > > So there are two ego's now! Wow...it is getting rather > > complicated....hahaha! > > > > Namaste, > > There are two 'I's in delusion...The I or ahamkara of the individual > and the 'I-I' of the Mahat, Hiranyagharba or whatever, also ultimately > unreal. The mind itself is the 'I 'and it 'creates'. The individual ego > is just an exaggeration of the defence or fear mechanism reactive > response that's all. > > So when you use Ramana's Who am I, you find the I-I..the Universal I. > > Ultimately as Ramana states the Truth is Ajativada. see my wikipedia > entry.............Cheers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 , " Soul " <soulyoginima wrote: > > Namaste.. > > Beyond mind, beyond words, beyond knowledge, > the truth of our Being is found. > > Blessings! > > Soul > Namaste, And what is found? Non-Being....Cheers Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 namaste all ....and what is found?.... that what makes us tick.... I T michael - Tony OClery Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:10 PM Re: What is the Ego? By Andrew Cohen , "Soul" <soulyoginima wrote:>> Namaste..> > Beyond mind, beyond words, beyond knowledge,> the truth of our Being is found.> > Blessings!> > Soul>Namaste,And what is found? Non-Being....Cheers Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1805 - Release 22/11/2008 10.34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 It, Being,and Non-Being... The substrutum of all thoughts and words... This which is before all thoughts and words... Blessings, Soul. - In , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > namaste all > > ...and what is found?.... > > that what makes us tick.... > > > I T > > michael > > - > Tony OClery > > Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:10 PM > Re: What is the Ego? By Andrew Cohen > > > , " Soul " <soulyoginima@> wrote: > > > > Namaste.. > > > > Beyond mind, beyond words, beyond knowledge, > > the truth of our Being is found. > > > > Blessings! > > > > Soul > > > > Namaste, > > And what is found? Non-Being....Cheers -- ---------- > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1805 - Release Date: 22/11/2008 10.34 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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