Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 To my mind; intellectual understanding as well as all the samadhis and all the spiritual experiences in the world have limited benefit. The significance of all spiritual experiences is that the ego is not there, while the Self is the Only True Reality there is. It follows that everything we think we do or did - if correctly seen- it will be found that it is the Self that does it. This is the door to True Surrender. I have met many who have experienced Samadhis, with crystal clear understanding about What Truth Is. What the Self Is. What Enlightenment Is. But observing these friends closely, one can discern very clearly, that they have not moved inwardly ONE SINGLE INCH, from where they were. They might be more elequent, appear more tender and appear more loving and caring. But their tenderness, their care and their love is worldly, not divine; it emmants from their egos and their personliteies not from the True Self. One has to have a radical transformation of his consciousness. The other day I was talking with a friend about this particular point and he said "As if one has to remove his old consciousness that sees himself and his world and put instead a consciousness that sees only and experiences only the Divine or the Self". I think that this is literally true. The question would be HOW? It was mentioned that Sri Shankra, all his day, while moving sitting ,walking, eating, talking; he inwardly was telling himself and repeating to himself "ALL THIS IS TRUELY THE SELF". I think that Sri Shankra did that, in order to engrave in his consciousness that he is no doer nor enjoyer, untill this understanding sinks in his consciousness, to prepare his consciousness for the radical transformation and be willing and accepting for the final radical transformation. It is no fun and no game. It is just as what Mr. Andrew Cohen said, Where does your allegiance lies, is it with the ego or to your evolving insight -what Mr Cohen calls "spiritual heart. That is why Mantras were prescibed. The Sufi Masters are the experts on the subject of transformation through "Zikr" -which literally means remembrance. mourad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Hi Mourad, Yes it is a re-membering as compared to the dis-membering of intellectual understanding which is the source of separation. In this way the transformation you speak of is not something that is a becoming; rather it is Awareness of things as they already are without rendering things as an experience (including the experience of enlightenment). Enlightenment means to be enlightened about something - here this means to be aware of one's true nature which is Awareness itself. Thus enlightenment is not something that one becomes or achieves rather it is a remembering what is never not the case... and it is living as compared to intellectual experience which is dead and past. Love, James , " mourad " <mourad_shamel wrote: > > > To my mind; intellectual understanding as well as all the samadhis and > all the spiritual experiences in the world have limited benefit. The > significance of all spiritual experiences is that the ego is not there, > while the Self is the Only True Reality there is. > > It follows that everything we think we do or did if correctly seen- > it will be found that it is the Self that does it. This is the door to > True Surrender. > > I have met many who have experienced Samadhis, with crystal clear > understanding about What Truth Is. What the Self Is. What Enlightenment > Is. But observing these friends closely, one can discern very clearly, > that they have not moved inwardly ONE SINGLE INCH, from where they were. > They might be more elequent, appear more tender and appear more loving > and caring. But their tenderness, their care and their love is worldly, > not divine; it emmants from their egos and their personliteies not from > the True Self. > > One has to have a radical transformation of his consciousness. > > The other day I was talking with a friend about this particular point > and he said " As if one has to remove his old consciousness that sees > himself and his world and put instead a consciousness that sees only and > experiences only the Divine or the Self " . > > I think that this is literally true. > > The question would be HOW? It was mentioned that Sri Shankra, all his > day, while moving sitting ,walking, eating, talking; he inwardly was > telling himself and repeating to himself " ALL THIS IS TRUELY THE SELF " . > I think that Sri Shankra did that, in order to engrave in his > consciousness that he is no doer nor enjoyer, untill this understanding > sinks in his consciousness, to prepare his consciousness for the radical > transformation and be willing and accepting for the final radical > transformation. It is no fun and no game. It is just as what Mr. Andrew > Cohen said, Where does your allegiance lies, is it with the ego or to > your evolving insight -what Mr Cohen calls " spiritual heart. > > That is why Mantras were prescibed. > > The Sufi Masters are the experts on the subject of transformation > through " Zikr " -which literally means remembrance. > > mourad > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Dear friend tku for your esteemed contribution b u t so many words instead of the simple truth unconditional surrender to the matter of fact, that only IT or whatever we want to name it e x i s t s - and this is of course neither understandable nor bearable for most humans - surrender meaning practically that we have to remind us always that not "i" am the doer - never - and therefore am not bound to "success" or "failure" and that IT is flowing - "acting" - thru me unconditionally means for michael no expectations no hope "no business-like transactions" as usual in normal relationsships just BEING thank you again in love in IT - mourad Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:03 PM Radical Transformation and Andrew Cohen To my mind; intellectual understanding as well as all the samadhis and all the spiritual experiences in the world have limited benefit. The significance of all spiritual experiences is that the ego is not there, while the Self is the Only True Reality there is. It follows that everything we think we do or did - if correctly seen- it will be found that it is the Self that does it. This is the door to True Surrender. I have met many who have experienced Samadhis, with crystal clear understanding about What Truth Is. What the Self Is. What Enlightenment Is. But observing these friends closely, one can discern very clearly, that they have not moved inwardly ONE SINGLE INCH, from where they were. They might be more elequent, appear more tender and appear more loving and caring. But their tenderness, their care and their love is worldly, not divine; it emmants from their egos and their personliteies not from the True Self. One has to have a radical transformation of his consciousness. The other day I was talking with a friend about this particular point and he said "As if one has to remove his old consciousness that sees himself and his world and put instead a consciousness that sees only and experiences only the Divine or the Self". I think that this is literally true. The question would be HOW? It was mentioned that Sri Shankra, all his day, while moving sitting ,walking, eating, talking; he inwardly was telling himself and repeating to himself "ALL THIS IS TRUELY THE SELF". I think that Sri Shankra did that, in order to engrave in his consciousness that he is no doer nor enjoyer, untill this understanding sinks in his consciousness, to prepare his consciousness for the radical transformation and be willing and accepting for the final radical transformation. It is no fun and no game. It is just as what Mr. Andrew Cohen said, Where does your allegiance lies, is it with the ego or to your evolving insight -what Mr Cohen calls "spiritual heart. That is why Mantras were prescibed. The Sufi Masters are the experts on the subject of transformation through "Zikr" -which literally means remembrance. mourad Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1807 - Release 23/11/2008 10.59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 That is nicely and beautifully put James. Thank you all for the wonder of your presence. Namaste and love to all Harsha On Behalf Of James Traverse Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:27 PM Re: Radical Transformation and Andrew Cohen Hi Mourad, Yes it is a re-membering as compared to the dis-membering of intellectual understanding which is the source of separation. In this way the transformation you speak of is not something that is a becoming; rather it is Awareness of things as they already are without rendering things as an experience (including the experience of enlightenment). Enlightenment means to be enlightened about something - here this means to be aware of one's true nature which is Awareness itself. Thus enlightenment is not something that one becomes or achieves rather it is a remembering what is never not the case... and it is living as compared to intellectual experience which is dead and past. Love, James , " mourad " <mourad_shamel wrote: > > > To my mind; intellectual understanding as well as all the samadhis and > all the spiritual experiences in the world have limited benefit. The > significance of all spiritual experiences is that the ego is not there, > while the Self is the Only True Reality there is. > > It follows that everything we think we do or did if correctly seen- > it will be found that it is the Self that does it. This is the door to > True Surrender. > > I have met many who have experienced Samadhis, with crystal clear > understanding about What Truth Is. What the Self Is. What Enlightenment > Is. But observing these friends closely, one can discern very clearly, > that they have not moved inwardly ONE SINGLE INCH, from where they were. > They might be more elequent, appear more tender and appear more loving > and caring. But their tenderness, their care and their love is worldly, > not divine; it emmants from their egos and their personliteies not from > the True Self. > > One has to have a radical transformation of his consciousness. > > The other day I was talking with a friend about this particular point > and he said " As if one has to remove his old consciousness that sees > himself and his world and put instead a consciousness that sees only and > experiences only the Divine or the Self " . > > I think that this is literally true. > > The question would be HOW? It was mentioned that Sri Shankra, all his > day, while moving sitting ,walking, eating, talking; he inwardly was > telling himself and repeating to himself " ALL THIS IS TRUELY THE SELF " . > I think that Sri Shankra did that, in order to engrave in his > consciousness that he is no doer nor enjoyer, untill this understanding > sinks in his consciousness, to prepare his consciousness for the radical > transformation and be willing and accepting for the final radical > transformation. It is no fun and no game. It is just as what Mr. Andrew > Cohen said, Where does your allegiance lies, is it with the ego or to > your evolving insight -what Mr Cohen calls " spiritual heart. > > That is why Mantras were prescibed. > > The Sufi Masters are the experts on the subject of transformation > through " Zikr " -which literally means remembrance. > > mourad > --- is supported by . New articles are added there on a continuous basis. Subscribe to . You will get the new articles which are posted on the site very nicely formatted in your e-mail. Friends, if you wish to contribute your writing to , please let me know. Your articles should be original, well written, using subtitles and be carefully proofread so minimal editing is needed. All topics which are proposed will be considered. Thanks. Namaste and love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Yes, Beautiful, clear seeing... Namaste, Soul , " Harsha " wrote: > > That is nicely and beautifully put James. Thank you all for the wonder of > your presence. > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > > > > On Behalf Of James Traverse > Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:27 PM > > Re: Radical Transformation and > Andrew Cohen > > Hi Mourad, > > Yes it is a re-membering as compared to the dis-membering of > intellectual understanding which is the source of separation. > > In this way the transformation you speak of is not something that is a > becoming; rather it is Awareness of things as they already are without > rendering things as an experience (including the experience of > enlightenment). > > Enlightenment means to be enlightened about something - here this > means to be aware of one's true nature which is Awareness itself. > > Thus enlightenment is not something that one becomes or achieves > rather it is a remembering what is never not the case... and it is > living as compared to intellectual experience which is dead and past. > > Love, > James > > > , " mourad " <mourad_shamel@> wrote: > > > > > > To my mind; intellectual understanding as well as all the samadhis and > > all the spiritual experiences in the world have limited benefit. The > > significance of all spiritual experiences is that the ego is not there, > > while the Self is the Only True Reality there is. > > > > It follows that everything we think we do or did if correctly seen- > > it will be found that it is the Self that does it. This is the door to > > True Surrender. > > > > I have met many who have experienced Samadhis, with crystal clear > > understanding about What Truth Is. What the Self Is. What Enlightenment > > Is. But observing these friends closely, one can discern very clearly, > > that they have not moved inwardly ONE SINGLE INCH, from where they were. > > They might be more elequent, appear more tender and appear more loving > > and caring. But their tenderness, their care and their love is worldly, > > not divine; it emmants from their egos and their personliteies not from > > the True Self. > > > > One has to have a radical transformation of his consciousness. > > > > The other day I was talking with a friend about this particular point > > and he said " As if one has to remove his old consciousness that sees > > himself and his world and put instead a consciousness that sees only and > > experiences only the Divine or the Self " . > > > > I think that this is literally true. > > > > The question would be HOW? It was mentioned that Sri Shankra, all his > > day, while moving sitting ,walking, eating, talking; he inwardly was > > telling himself and repeating to himself " ALL THIS IS TRUELY THE SELF " . > > I think that Sri Shankra did that, in order to engrave in his > > consciousness that he is no doer nor enjoyer, untill this understanding > > sinks in his consciousness, to prepare his consciousness for the radical > > transformation and be willing and accepting for the final radical > > transformation. It is no fun and no game. It is just as what Mr. Andrew > > Cohen said, Where does your allegiance lies, is it with the ego or to > > your evolving insight -what Mr Cohen calls " spiritual heart. > > > > That is why Mantras were prescibed. > > > > The Sufi Masters are the experts on the subject of transformation > > through " Zikr " -which literally means remembrance. > > > > mourad > > > > > > --- > > is supported by . New articles are added > there on a continuous basis. Subscribe to . You will get > the new articles which are posted on the site very nicely formatted in your > e-mail. > > Friends, if you wish to contribute your writing to , > please let me know. Your articles should be original, well written, using > subtitles and be carefully proofread so minimal editing is needed. All > topics which are proposed will be considered. Thanks. > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.