Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 , " James Traverse " <nisarga111 wrote: > > Hi Sundar, > > Re your question: 'Does 'returning attention to the Self' mean having > a 'no thought' state?' > > First I'd like to point out that in an earlier message (Message > #47225) Soul wrote to Mourad about the use of the words 'return' and > 'remain' and quoted Ramana from 'Conscious Immortality' where he used > these words while speaking to particular devotees. > > In this light 'returning attention to the self' is a direction Ramana > gave to particular devotees at a certain time - at that time these > words were appropriate and in a similar situation these words may or > may not be appropriate. > > I feel that the fact that Ramana spoke these words gives them an > energy that comes from the way of being that he represented in such a > way that the 'you' who is being directed to 'return attention to the > Self' falls away. > > In the absence of the 'you' just mentioned there is Presence as your > true nature. > > ~ ~ ~ > > Know Thyself. > > This is the direction that every sage in some form or another has given. > > A response to this might be, 'Who is this 'Thy' that is being directed > to 'Know Thyself'? > > Another response is, 'To Know Thyself is to be Aware'. > > And still another response is to actually 'live' the direction by > asking 'Who am I?' such that there is the realization that this > question cannot be answered intellectually and that there is a 'living > answer' that is not of the measure of the mind... A way that that > living answer may be expressed is: > > 'I am formless Awareness functioning in form.' hehehehe i am not... > > In this light the answer to your question, 'Does 'returning attention > to the Self' mean having a 'no thought' state?' is that what these > words are pointing to is not a 'state', rather they point to your true > nature where thinking as functioning can arise yet this 'form' of > thinking is the action of your true nature called 'insight'. > > Love, > James > > " the true always is, the untrue never has existence " (the bhagwadgita) Mind may crawl Mind may aspire Mind may renounce And mind may desire. Mind may be seeing And mind may be blind Mind can be seeking, And mind can find. . . Mind plays it's games. But I Don't Mind! ahamkara, " ego " is an illusory self/mind superimposition on the inexplicable, boundless, timeless and all-perviding god/self/love/truth/void/etc, the one impersonal reality which alone is/is not. BOOM! yosy , " Sundararajan " <sundar22ca@> > wrote: > > > > Vanakkam Anbudan (or more correctly Vanakkam Anbu. Since anbudan would > > mean WITH anbu), > > > > I agree with 'no thought -> no mind'. > > But, how does this relate to 'returning attention to the Self'? > > > > Does 'returning attention to the Self' mean having a 'no thought' state? > > sundar > > > > , mango tree <oldmangotree@> > > wrote: > > > > > > vanakkam sundar-ji, > > > > > > when there is a thought, the mind exists.... > > > > > > no thought, no mind... > > > > > > Shambo Arunachaleshwara > > > > > > anbudan > > > > > > indeed > > > TAT TVAM ASI ... > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Sundararajan <sundar22ca@> wrote: > > > > > > Sundararajan <sundar22ca@> > > > Re: To Soul > > > > > > Thursday, November 27, 2008, 10:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Soul, > > > " Return the attention to the Self, our true nature and identify with > > > this,rather than identifying with thought,emotions, body, mind as who > > > we are. " > > > > > > It appears that the suggestion (returning the attention to the Self) > > > is made to the 'mind'. At the same time, it is also asked not to > > > identify with the 'mind'. Can the mind avoid identifying with itself? > > > > > > Looks like the only way is to enquire who the 'i' is and arriving at a > > > check mate. > > > > > > Would you agree? > > > sundar > > > > > > , " souleternalbeing " > > > <souleternalbeing@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Mourad, > > > > > > > > On using the word " remain " or " return " ..... > > > > > > > > I think we can pick on words or not.... One could pick apart the > > > > words of Sri Ramana, or any sage or not. > > > > > > > > I thought, from memory, Sri Ramana had used the word " return " ..so > > > > looked and found, from 'Conscious Immortality' p.66...to a > > > > devoteee, " We all have to return to our source " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana also uses the word " remain " , from the same book p.168, to a > > > > devotee, " You are now advised to give up all these false ideas, and > > > > to trace your source and remain as the Self. In that state there > are > > > > no differences and no questions will arise " . > > > > > > > > I have also have read and heard .. " point your attention > > > > towards " , " turn your attention towards " , and " focus on the Self " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > It is understood here that our true nature, Self, does not come or > > > > go, our true nature is always here, always was...so in this sense > > > > there is no 'return'as such, but there's no problem here with this > > > > word ,as it is understood what it is pointing to. Return the > > > > attention to the Self, our true nature and identify with > this,rather > > > > than identifying with thought,emotions, body, mind as who we are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mourad " <mourad_shamel@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Soul > > > > > > > > > > I was following your conversation with Michael. > > > > > > > > > > What you said is totally true, the mind stops following the old > > > > > patterns of thinking that it was used to follow before, whenever > > > > > facing the objective world. You do not reurn to the Self, you > remain > > > > > immersed in the Self; whether you are facing the objective > world or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > In otherwords, any contact with objective world does not > re-create > > > > you > > > > > as an ego with its own world. > > > > > > > > > > mourad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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