Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 As I went through my website, I looked at some webpages and had a moment of remembrance as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind and so I post it that we may bow our heads in remembrance should we wish to do so... http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Joyce, Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some sensitivity to whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. In India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I am a bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that no one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who could have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered identities. Regards Srinivas , " Joyce " <shaantih wrote: > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Srinivas-ji: Thank you for your e-mail. Thank you Joyce for the purity of your soul. I have been traveling extensively for the Thanksgiving break in the U.S. but have been following the news from Mumbai. I should have spoken about this last week on this list. Most Indians in the U.S. are shocked. I have been trying to contact friends in Mumbai. A former student wrote to me over the weekend that two of his father's friend did not make it at the Oberoi hotel. I am so very sorry to hear about what has been going on in Mumbai. I am waiting to hear from other friends there as well. To everyone affected by this attack, you are all in my thoughts and prayers. I am planning to write on what happened at Mumbai. Please do join me if you wish and give and share your thoughts. Namaste and love Harsha , " A. Srinivas Rao " <profsrinivasrao wrote: > > Dear Joyce, > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some sensitivity to > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. In > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I am a > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that no > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who could > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > identities. > > Regards > > Srinivas > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> wrote: > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Harshaji, Thank you for a prompt reply. I am sure you would have possibly written last week if you werent travelling. I am still trying to understand the right balance of attention, affection and sympathy with which I view the world with my own struggle with what it means to be spiritual. I dont really claim to know about Sri Ramana but know enough that events such as this would have his deep sympathies. If we write with no reference to contexts we are I presume being saddled with a very curatorial orientation to our engagement with the world where we write of Tiruvannamalai and its master but not its people who are also on this forum. How can we with sufficient sympathy say all that needs to be said. I am probably gauche and boorish at that. There is much sorrow and anger on the streets of Mumbai and everywhere in India. Some are posturing aggressively and alarmingly against Pakistan. People are also offering prayers and grieving deeply especially to the brave police chiefs and officers and commandos who lost their lives ill equipped and ill informed. Since yesterday protest marches and vigils have been held in Mumbai who worry at getting back despite the history of attacks on commuter trains and and public buildings. We sometimes found ourselves in tears when we saw the mayhem unfold live on our screens of the wanton violence and destruction. Many are now avoiding references to Mumbai's spirit and resliience lest it is an alibi for inaction. Yet as I see out on my street most people are back running around to care and earn for their loved ones and build their fragile lives with what they have. I pray to the spirit of goodness in all of us and to the great ideal of Sri Ramana that people everywhere not just in Mumbai be blessed with strength to face their travails and tragedies, have sufficient for their bodies, minds and spirits, a smile on their faces and a heart to wipe their own as well as others tears. Namaste and love to Harshaji and all Srinivas , " harshaimtm " wrote: > > Dear Srinivas-ji: > > Thank you for your e-mail. Thank you Joyce for the purity of your soul. > > I have been traveling extensively for the Thanksgiving break in the > U.S. but have been following the news from Mumbai. > > I should have spoken about this last week on this list. Most Indians > in the U.S. are shocked. > > I have been trying to contact friends in Mumbai. A former student > wrote to me over the weekend that two of his father's friend did not > make it at the Oberoi hotel. > > I am so very sorry to hear about what has been going on in Mumbai. I > am waiting to hear from other friends there as well. > > To everyone affected by this attack, you are all in my thoughts and > prayers. > > I am planning to write on what happened at Mumbai. Please do join me > if you wish and give and share your thoughts. > > Namaste and love > Harsha > , " A. Srinivas Rao " > <profsrinivasrao@> wrote: > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some sensitivity to > > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. In > > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I am a > > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that no > > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who could > > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > > identities. > > > > Regards > > > > Srinivas > > > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> wrote: > > > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Daer Srinivas, You wrote... " What makes me disconcerted is how hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . This is a projection. The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would join a policically-focussed discussion group. Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so sure? I know , in this experience, when it is heard of some violence in the world or right next to me, the feelings of pain and sadness arise. When on next to me feels joy, joy also arises here. Theses painful feelings are truly welcomed in This that I am/ Awareness/Consciousness. When someone cries next to me, I feel their pain too, and sometimes cry with them. To write what you wrote causes a split in this lovely group , and I wouln't want that. This is too precious. The focus is on truth, on Self-Inquiry. Blessings to all here, though we may not share the same views, there is no doubt we share the same essence. Soul , " A. Srinivas Rao " <profsrinivasrao wrote: > > Dear Joyce, > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some sensitivity to > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. In > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I am a > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that no > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who could > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > identities. > > Regards > > Srinivas > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> wrote: > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Soul, I totally agree with your letter. Ramana did not wish his Devotees to identify with world drama. Of course we feel concern, but our main aim is to practice Self Enquiry and Surrender to the Self. all love, Alan --- On Mon, 1/12/08, souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing wrote: souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing Re: With head bowed... Date: Monday, 1 December, 2008, 6:09 AM Daer Srinivas,You wrote..."What makes me disconcerted is howhermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected".This is a projection. The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would join a policically- focussed discussion group.Are you sure people here are "unaffected" ? What makes you so sure?I know , in this experience, when it is heard of some violence in the world or right next to me, the feelings of pain and sadness arise. When on next to me feels joy, joy also arises here.Theses painful feelings are truly welcomed in This that I am/ Awareness/Conscious ness. When someone cries next to me, I feel their pain too, and sometimes cry with them.To write what you wrote causes a split in this lovely group , and I wouln't want that. This is too precious. The focus is on truth, on Self-Inquiry.Blessings to all here, though we may not share the same views, there is no doubt we share the same essence.Soul, "A. Srinivas Rao" <profsrinivasrao@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Joyce,> > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some sensitivity to > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. In > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I am a > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that no > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who could > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > identities.> > Regards> > Srinivas> > , "Joyce" <shaantih@> wrote:> >> > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance> > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq.> > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind> > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in> > remembrance should we wish to do so...> > > > http://www.omshaant ih.com/Poetry/ One/One.htm> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Alan and others, I dont wish to split this group as indicated. Far from that. Neither is what has happened a mere drama. I am sad that we state this with such insouciance. I am also aware of the irony....this is a group as some one points out here to seek the truth and not a illusory " projection " as a political issue. What has happened is a mere illusion and we ought to not participate in such a world drama. Let me narrate a story. Once Shankara was running through the streets of Kashi chased by a mad elephant. His rival laughed at the spectacle and mocked . " O shankara....dont run the elephant is merely an illusion " . Shankara in his wisdom yelled back " O fool if this elephant chasing me is an illusion ....so is my running " . There are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the other. We crave for the exotic until truth comes knocking on our doors and we tell him dont knock I am too busy serching for truth. Warm regards...too small to distribute belssings Srinivas , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Soul, > Â > I totally agree with your letter. Ramana did not wish his Devotees to identify with world drama. Of course we feel concern, but our main aim is to practice Self Enquiry and Surrender to the Self. > Â > all love, > Â > Alan > > --- On Mon, 1/12/08, souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing wrote: > > souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing > Re: With head bowed... > > Monday, 1 December, 2008, 6:09 AM > Daer Srinivas, > > You wrote... > > " What makes me disconcerted is how > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . > > This is a projection. > > The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would join a > policically- focussed discussion group. > > Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so sure? > > I know , in this experience, when it is heard of some violence in the > world or right next to me, the feelings of pain and sadness arise. > When on next to me feels joy, joy also arises here. > > Theses painful feelings are truly welcomed in This that I am/ > Awareness/Conscious ness. When someone cries next to me, I feel their > pain too, and sometimes cry with them. > > To write what you wrote causes a split in this lovely group , and I > wouln't want that. This is too precious. The focus is on truth, on > Self-Inquiry. > > Blessings to all here, though we may not share the same views, there > is no doubt we share the same essence. > > Soul > > , " A. Srinivas Rao " > <profsrinivasrao@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some sensitivity > to > > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. In > > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I am > a > > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that no > > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who > could > > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > > identities. > > > > Regards > > > > Srinivas > > > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> wrote: > > > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > > > http://www.omshaant ih.com/Poetry/ One/One.htm > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 ....our essence is the same , although you choose to ignore me. Namaste, Soul , " Joyce " <shaantih wrote: > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Srinivas, It seems you misunderstand what I wrote... Here it is ...(the first part of the last letter) > Daer Srinivas, > > You wrote... > > " What makes me disconcerted is how > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . > > This is a projection. > > The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would join a > policically- focussed discussion group. > > Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so sure? The " projection " I was refering to is the projecting that people in the group are " untouched and unaffected " .... not that the political issue is a projection...as you misunderstood. I was saying that you were quite wrong, as here, in my experience, everything is felt and welcomed, though seen as not who I am. So whatever knocks at this door is welcome. I totally agree with what you wrote... >There > are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and > the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the >other. You were accusing or projecting that others are " untouched and unaffected " (to use your words) ... and I have written " what makes you so sure? It is not the case here " . Self-Inquiry is the focus of this group, and it is clearly stated upon joining. So, because this is the focus and people aren't discussing world events, doesn't mean people here don't care, or try to push things away,or are " untouched and unaffested " as your story implies. I just feel to clariry this to keep harmony among members. We haven't been introduced, Mr. Srinivas, so Namaste, my name is Soul, from Ausralia. Soon I will have the blessing of walking where Sri Ramana walked, on the beautiful Arunachala hill. May blessings fall your way, Soul , " A. Srinivas Rao " <profsrinivasrao wrote: > > Dear Alan and others, > > I dont wish to split this group as indicated. Far from that. Neither > is what has happened a mere drama. I am sad that we state this with > such insouciance. I am also aware of the irony....this is a group as > some one points out here to seek the truth and not a > illusory " projection " as a political issue. What has happened is a > mere illusion and we ought to not participate in such a world drama. > > Let me narrate a story. Once Shankara was running through the > streets of Kashi chased by a mad elephant. His rival laughed at the > spectacle and mocked . " O shankara....dont run the elephant is > merely an illusion " . Shankara in his wisdom yelled back " O fool if > this elephant chasing me is an illusion ....so is my running " . There > are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and > the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the other. > > We crave for the exotic until truth comes knocking on our doors and > we tell him dont knock I am too busy serching for truth. > > Warm regards...too small to distribute belssings > > Srinivas > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Soul, > > Â > > I totally agree with your letter. Ramana did not wish his Devotees > to identify with world drama. Of course we feel concern, but our > main aim is to practice Self Enquiry and Surrender to the Self. > > Â > > all love, > > Â > > Alan > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/08, souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing@> wrote: > > > > souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing@> > > Re: With head bowed... > > > > Monday, 1 December, 2008, 6:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daer Srinivas, > > > > You wrote... > > > > " What makes me disconcerted is how > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . > > > > This is a projection. > > > > The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would > join a > > policically- focussed discussion group. > > > > Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so sure? > > > > I know , in this experience, when it is heard of some violence in > the > > world or right next to me, the feelings of pain and sadness arise. > > When on next to me feels joy, joy also arises here. > > > > Theses painful feelings are truly welcomed in This that I am/ > > Awareness/Conscious ness. When someone cries next to me, I feel > their > > pain too, and sometimes cry with them. > > > > To write what you wrote causes a split in this lovely group , and > I > > wouln't want that. This is too precious. The focus is on truth, on > > Self-Inquiry. > > > > Blessings to all here, though we may not share the same views, > there > > is no doubt we share the same essence. > > > > Soul > > > > , " A. Srinivas Rao " > > <profsrinivasrao@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some > sensitivity > > to > > > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. > In > > > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I > am > > a > > > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > > > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that > no > > > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who > > could > > > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > > > identities. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > > > > > http://www.omshaant ih.com/Poetry/ One/One.htm > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Srinivas, Ramana was always much affected by such things. He shed tears. And certainly those things are no " illusions " , but only too real. Otherwise we perhaps could handle them better in just pushing them aside - so we feel helpless, worried and shocked. And as you say - both is right: the relative and the absolute sense - and one should not mix them up. It is a shock what happened in Mumbai as it was what happened to the World Trade Center formerly. We can't crasp it - and may never do. But it also can give us an additional push towards self-enquiry. Kind regards Gabriele , " A. Srinivas Rao " <profsrinivasrao wrote: > > Dear Alan and others, > > I dont wish to split this group as indicated. Far from that. Neither > is what has happened a mere drama. I am sad that we state this with > such insouciance. I am also aware of the irony....this is a group as > some one points out here to seek the truth and not a > illusory " projection " as a political issue. What has happened is a > mere illusion and we ought to not participate in such a world drama. > > Let me narrate a story. Once Shankara was running through the > streets of Kashi chased by a mad elephant. His rival laughed at the > spectacle and mocked . " O shankara....dont run the elephant is > merely an illusion " . Shankara in his wisdom yelled back " O fool if > this elephant chasing me is an illusion ....so is my running " . There > are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and > the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the other. > > We crave for the exotic until truth comes knocking on our doors and > we tell him dont knock I am too busy serching for truth. > > Warm regards...too small to distribute belssings > > Srinivas > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Soul, > > Â > > I totally agree with your letter. Ramana did not wish his Devotees > to identify with world drama. Of course we feel concern, but our > main aim is to practice Self Enquiry and Surrender to the Self. > > Â > > all love, > > Â > > Alan > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/08, souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing@> wrote: > > > > souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing@> > > Re: With head bowed... > > > > Monday, 1 December, 2008, 6:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daer Srinivas, > > > > You wrote... > > > > " What makes me disconcerted is how > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . > > > > This is a projection. > > > > The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would > join a > > policically- focussed discussion group. > > > > Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so sure? > > > > I know , in this experience, when it is heard of some violence in > the > > world or right next to me, the feelings of pain and sadness arise. > > When on next to me feels joy, joy also arises here. > > > > Theses painful feelings are truly welcomed in This that I am/ > > Awareness/Conscious ness. When someone cries next to me, I feel > their > > pain too, and sometimes cry with them. > > > > To write what you wrote causes a split in this lovely group , and > I > > wouln't want that. This is too precious. The focus is on truth, on > > Self-Inquiry. > > > > Blessings to all here, though we may not share the same views, > there > > is no doubt we share the same essence. > > > > Soul > > > > , " A. Srinivas Rao " > > <profsrinivasrao@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some > sensitivity > > to > > > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected. > In > > > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I > am > > a > > > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > > > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating that > no > > > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who > > could > > > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > > > identities. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > > > > > http://www.omshaant ih.com/Poetry/ One/One.htm > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Namaste Andreas, Oh, great.That would be lovely. There are a few people from this group who will be in Tiruvannamali Jan-Feb, so i'll post a message when I'm there and we can meet somewhere... and enjoy this love for truth..being...together. Blessings, Soul , andreas farsatis <born010405 wrote: > > Dear Soul, > i will also be having the blessing to be where Baghavan sri ramana maharshi spended > His earthly life,that will be between january and february,would you like to meet? > In His Grace, > Sandoshan. > > --- souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing schrieb am Mo, 1.12.2008: > > Von: souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing > Betreff: Re: With head bowed... > An: > Datum: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008, 9:12 Dear Srinivas, > > It seems you misunderstand what I wrote... > > Here it is ...(the first part of the last letter) > > > Daer Srinivas, > > > > You wrote... > > > > " What makes me disconcerted is how > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . > > > > This is a projection. > > > > The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would > join a > > policically- focussed discussion group. > > > > Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so sure? > > > The " projection " I was refering to is the projecting that people in > the group are " untouched and unaffected " . ... not that the political > issue is a projection.. .as you misunderstood. > > I was saying that you were quite wrong, as here, in my experience, > everything is felt and welcomed, though seen as not who I am. So > whatever knocks at this door is welcome. > > I totally agree with what you wrote... > > >There > > are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and > > the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the > >other. > > You were accusing or projecting that others are " untouched and > unaffected " (to use your words) ... and I have written " what makes > you so sure? It is not the case here " . > > Self-Inquiry is the focus of this group, and it is clearly stated > upon joining. > > So, because this is the focus and people aren't discussing world > events, doesn't mean people here don't care, or try to push things > away,or are " untouched and unaffested " as your story implies. > > I just feel to clariry this to keep harmony among members. > > We haven't been introduced, Mr. Srinivas, so Namaste, my name is > Soul, from Ausralia. > Soon I will have the blessing of walking where Sri Ramana walked, on > the beautiful Arunachala hill. > > May blessings fall your way, > Soul > > , " A. Srinivas Rao " > <profsrinivasrao@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Alan and others, > > > > I dont wish to split this group as indicated. Far from that. > Neither > > is what has happened a mere drama. I am sad that we state this with > > such insouciance. I am also aware of the irony....this is a group > as > > some one points out here to seek the truth and not a > > illusory " projection " as a political issue. What has happened is a > > mere illusion and we ought to not participate in such a world > drama. > > > > Let me narrate a story. Once Shankara was running through the > > streets of Kashi chased by a mad elephant. His rival laughed at the > > spectacle and mocked . " O shankara.... dont run the elephant is > > merely an illusion " . Shankara in his wisdom yelled back " O fool if > > this elephant chasing me is an illusion ....so is my running " . > There > > are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and > > the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the > other. > > > > We crave for the exotic until truth comes knocking on our doors and > > we tell him dont knock I am too busy serching for truth. > > > > Warm regards...too small to distribute belssings > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Soul, > > >  > > > I totally agree with your letter. Ramana did not wish his > Devotees > > to identify with world drama. Of course we feel concern, but our > > main aim is to practice Self Enquiry and Surrender to the Self. > > >  > > > all love, > > >  > > > Alan > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/08, souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing@ > wrote: > > > > > > souleternalbeing <souleternalbeing@ > > > > Re: With head bowed... > > > > > > Monday, 1 December, 2008, 6:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daer Srinivas, > > > > > > You wrote... > > > > > > " What makes me disconcerted is how > > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and unaffected " . > > > > > > This is a projection. > > > > > > The deep interest here is to discuss truth, other wise I would > > join a > > > policically- focussed discussion group. > > > > > > Are you sure people here are " unaffected " ? What makes you so > sure? > > > > > > I know , in this experience, when it is heard of some violence in > > the > > > world or right next to me, the feelings of pain and sadness > arise. > > > When on next to me feels joy, joy also arises here. > > > > > > Theses painful feelings are truly welcomed in This that I am/ > > > Awareness/Conscious ness. When someone cries next to me, I feel > > their > > > pain too, and sometimes cry with them. > > > > > > To write what you wrote causes a split in this lovely group , and > > I > > > wouln't want that. This is too precious. The focus is on truth, > on > > > Self-Inquiry. > > > > > > Blessings to all here, though we may not share the same views, > > there > > > is no doubt we share the same essence. > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > , " A. Srinivas Rao " > > > <profsrinivasrao@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that there is some > > sensitivity > > > to > > > > whats going on around us. What makes me disconcerted is how > > > > hermetically sealed this group seems...untouched and > unaffected. > > In > > > > India we are yet shocked and taking our faltering steps back. I > > am > > > a > > > > bit disapppointed that we are with no sympathy discussing our > > > > professed vegetarianism and our Ahimsa. I cant help stating > that > > no > > > > one seems to even cross verify if there was one amongst us who > > > could > > > > have been killed. We are losing our humanism in this cloistered > > > > identities. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > > > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > > > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > > > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > > > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > > > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > > > > > > > http://www.omshaant ih.com/Poetry/ One/One.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Soul: I apologize if I offended you by not responding to your kind note to me about the kirtan video clips. There were reasons at the time that I chose not to respond, and I thought you would infer that. I will tell you that I felt uncomfortable with the relative insignificance of my videos to what had just happened in the world and out of respect for that, I remained silent. Then I spent the rest of the weekend sneezing and other such things and was not up to emailing. Then this morning I woke up to your email below!!! And so, finally, here is my answer below... And blessings to you too, Mr. Soul! Um, sorry I took so long to bless you back ;-) Love, Joyce - souleternalbeing ....our essence is the same , although you choose to ignore me.Namaste,Soul , "Joyce" <shaantih wrote:>> As I went through my website, I looked at some > webpages and had a moment of remembrance> as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq.> As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind> and so I post it that we may bow our heads in> remembrance should we wish to do so...> > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Srinivas: I write this answer to you after some discourse has already occurred on the list on the subject you raise. I just want to share with you that the general " rule " on some of the spiritual lists is to discourage jumping on the stage to take part in the drama. And it does not mean that no one cares. But, for me, while I know tragedy and violence are everywhere everyday, this was of such magnitude as to make me stop and bring it to my attention...and I felt it was the right thing to do to put aside that " rule " and post what I posted. It does not mean I care and no one else does because they did not post it...it means that I tend to bend rules. While it may be true that nothing ever happened somewhere, alot is happening right here right now. This is where we are...we can be in the world, feeling, emoting, loving, working, playing, and for myself, I embrace these things.But that does not mean I have to be of the world in the final analysis. I can still laugh and cry, knowing that it is all an illusion, somewhere :-) But I am not there...I am here. I can also still laugh and cry and my doing so does not negate my surrender in substance, only in form. The way I see it, just like Shri Shankara can run away from the elephant and say it is illusion, I can say it is also an illusion for me to cry or feel emotions in response to such events. I know in my heart that indeed things are exactly as they should be and that, by the way, it is not for me to question why. I think that much time is spent trying to conceive and understand the mysteries of the Absolute, and for myself, it is too much of a tax on my brain to do so. I will leave that to Him :-) May Grace descend and bring you comfort, Joyce - A. Srinivas Rao 12/01/2008 2:00 AM Re: With head bowed... Dear Alan and others, I dont wish to split this group as indicated. Far from that. Neither is what has happened a mere drama. I am sad that we state this with such insouciance. I am also aware of the irony....this is a group as some one points out here to seek the truth and not a illusory " projection " as a political issue. What has happened is a mere illusion and we ought to not participate in such a world drama. Let me narrate a story. Once Shankara was running through the streets of Kashi chased by a mad elephant. His rival laughed at the spectacle and mocked . " O shankara....dont run the elephant is merely an illusion " . Shankara in his wisdom yelled back " O fool if this elephant chasing me is an illusion ....so is my running " . There are always two levels of truth " the Vyavaharika (the relative) and the Paramarthika (the absolute). to not see one is to deny the other. We crave for the exotic until truth comes knocking on our doors and we tell him dont knock I am too busy serching for truth. Warm regards...too small to distribute belssings Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear Joyce, Oh...that message wasn't directed to you. It was for Srinavas, who was not replying directly to me though indirectly refering to me. This is totally ok, there are no emotions here, though i felt to express something about it. So thank you for your blessings back..I do hope you are feeling better. Also, I have a female body Much, much blessings to you, Soul , " Joyce " <shaantih wrote: > > Dear Soul: > > I apologize if I offended you by not responding > to your kind note to me about the kirtan video > clips. There were reasons at the time that I > chose not to respond, and I thought you would > infer that. I will tell you that I felt uncomfortable > with the relative insignificance of my videos to what > had just happened in the world and out of > respect for that, I remained silent. Then I spent > the rest of the weekend sneezing and other such > things and was not up to emailing. Then this > morning I woke up to your email below!!! > > And so, finally, here is my answer below... > > And blessings to you too, Mr. Soul! > Um, sorry I took so long to bless you back ;-) > > Love, > > Joyce > - > souleternalbeing > > > ...our essence is the same , > although you choose to ignore me. > > Namaste, > Soul > > , " Joyce " <shaantih@> wrote: > > > > As I went through my website, I looked at some > > webpages and had a moment of remembrance > > as I read this, written just after we (USA) bombed Iraq. > > As I read the news this morning, it came to my mind > > and so I post it that we may bow our heads in > > remembrance should we wish to do so... > > > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Poetry/One/One.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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