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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear friends, Enclosed here is some 'off line correspondence' between Arto and myself which we have agreed to share with the Group. Love, Alan --- On Fri, 2/1/09, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > Re: Arunachala Shiva! > " arto " <iamarto > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 5:49 AM > Dear Arto, > > Thanks for your interesting letter. > > You are right that Neo Advaita describes the destination > without prescribing the journey, puts the cart before the > horse, and gives you the icing without the cake. It is > merely an introduction, with falsity included, but mature > seekers will eventually move on to Ramana or stay in that > parking space indefinately for the kicks. The Teachers are > earning a good livelihood this way and target the naive and > gullible, rather than mature seekers who shun them. I have > not heard of Duncan Carse before, but now mainly read source > books of Ramana himself, Muruganar, Ganapati Muni, or > Advaita Classics that Bhagavan recommended such as the Yoga > Vasista, the Ribbhu Gita, the Astavakra Gita,the Avadhuta > Gita, Tripura Rhasasya, the Advaita Bodha Deepika, the > Kaivalya Navaneetha and some works of Shankara which he > translated in his own Collected Works. Look these titles on > Google. When you have read Ramana's own writings, some > of these books may appeal. > > Regarding Jesus. I am not really qualified to speak on > this, but I believe he was a Jnani who taught non-dualism > and was crucified on that account. At the same time the > historical Jesus is diffult to get at as there have been > distortions over the centuries by the Churches. The Gnostic > Gospels including Thomas were excluded from the cannon by > the Council of Nicea as they did not agree with the synoptic > Gospels which were adopted as the true record. > > All best wishes in your earnest quest, > > Warm regards, > > Alan > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, arto <iamarto wrote: > > > arto <iamarto > > Re: Arunachala > Shiva! > > alanadamsjacobs > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009, 11:45 PM > > Thanks Alan, I will definitely go into these > > recommendations. > > > > I had a small remark on the website: > > > http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/trad_neo.htm > > > > There is something that is not stressed-upon if you > can > > make one more article to stress that point I think it > will > > be better. It's about the " target > audience " . I > > think the whole issue for the Neo-Advaita is that it > gives > > the " bread " of the last stage prior to > > Enlightenment to newbies who still have no clue how > they lag > > behind with lots of work needed to crack the Ego and > attain > > the one-pointed mental state. > > > > So it's not that Neo-Advaita is a false teaching, > but > > it's rather really targeting the " wrong > target > > audience " , which is supposedly the majority of > the > > students. And this wrong addressing is the problem and > not > > what they're saying, even if they're not > really > > enlightened. This is why David Carse's book which > is > > totally *God Mode* might be useful to those one step > prior > > to that state " where effort is impossible " > as it > > was termed out. > > > > This was my first remark, my second remark is to > stress in > > an article upon the teachings of Christ Jesus, in > terms > > of... why did Jesus say " Love one another as I > have > > loved you " , instead of " Get lost because > > there's no one there, and I'm not talking to > you > > now " . > > > > If we can make a point that the teachings of the > Christ was > > mainly based on good will rather than absolute > philosophical > > truth, it can have some impact of seekers will think > for a > > while... " umm, why did Jesus hardly ever talked > about > > the absolute truth? " , and " why is the gospel > of > > thomas not recognized as far as the other > gospels? " .. > > because it contains some of the Neo-Advaitic > teachings... > > > > You're older than me in these discussions and > > negotations.. but perhaps my feedback is useful, in > any case > > thanks for reading > > > > arto > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > > Re: Arunachala > > Shiva! > > " arto " <iamarto > > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 8:29 PM > > > > Dear Arto, > > > > You asked me for book recommendations. > > > > I suggest you study the Ramanasramam (see google) main > web > > site, where you can download a number of books to see > which > > appeal to you most. Ideally Ramana Maharshi's > Talks, > > Collected Works, Day by Day with Bhagavan, Letters > from > > Ramansramam and Crumbs from his Table are largely his > words > > and these are obviously the best as they are from the > > source. David Godman's Translations of > Muruganar's > > Padamalai and Guru Vachaka Kovai are first class > because > > they are Bhagavan's utterances. See how you get on > with > > these that you have not read already, and then we can > > suggest others as supplements. > > > > All best wishes and regards, > > > > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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