From Muruganar's SRI RAMANA ANUBUTI

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P.24 V. 123

 

" Through my Master's gracious revelation,

 

sinking deep within myself,

 

I knew that it was pure falsehood,

 

to claim that the state of Self forgetfulness,

 

in which thought diversifies,

 

giving rise to the pairs of opposites,

 

could be inherent in the lofty condition

 

of pure, non dual consciousness. "

 

Ramana Anubuti- Non-Dual Consciousness- the Flood Tide of Bliss is a long poem

by the great Tamil Poet Muruganar describing his experiences ( I had better be

careful with that word) with Bhagavan while he was taught by him before and

after his Self Realisation.

 

The Poem translated by Robert Butler was published by the Ramana Maharshi Centre

for Learning, Bangalore, but is availavble from the Ramanasramam Book Depot.

 

A Very Happy and Auspicious New Year to all members.

 

Alan

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Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote:

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> ...describing his experiences (I had better be careful with that

word) ...

 

 

Dear Alan,

 

Your input on my previous question will be most apreciated also

(besides Jan's and Tony's). I wonder why you said better be careful

with " that " word (experience)...

 

Yours in Bhagavan,

Mouna

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Dear Mouna,

 

I am careful, after the subtle discussion which took place over that word. I am also a little cautious about English translations from the Tamil. Bhagavan might have used a word which implied a more refined meaning.

 

Personally I am inclined to take a common sense view, however, and rely on the generally accepted meaning, that an experience is an event which is registered by the organ of cognition, the senses and the adjuncts of the brain etc.

 

In this case Self Realisation is some kind of an experience, as Sri Bhagavan describes when he simulated Death and then became Self Realised. Or if it is just the removal of ignorance, I suppose that is some kind of experience too; a perception, the recognition of absence, which is a sensation of Knowledge. On Ramana's Direct Path, the words ' direct experience or direct knowledge' are used to contrast it with the second hand experience of 'inferential knowledge', derived from books or hear say.

 

It is good to converse with you again.

 

All best wishes and warm regards,

 

Alan --- On Wed, 31/12/08, upadesa <maunna wrote:

upadesa <maunna Re: From Muruganar's SRI RAMANA ANUBUTI Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> > ...describing his experiences (I had better be careful with thatword) ...Dear Alan,Your input on my previous question will be most apreciated also(besides Jan's and Tony's). I wonder why you said better be carefulwith "that" word (experience) ...Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna

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Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote:

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> On Ramana's Direct Path, the words ' direct experience or direct

knowledge' are used to contrast it with the second hand experience of

'inferential knowledge', derived from books or hear say.

 

Dear Alan,

I am glad I asked you to give your point of view!

I completely resonate with your words (and also with points raised by

Jan and Tony). The " experiential " nature of Self-Realization is one of

those topics that made and will make ink run for centuries in Advaita (a

little bit like the dichotomy between Free-Will and Fate).

I must be honest and confess that the question is more about the nature

of the finger than the moon is pointing at, but somehow (because of a

certain intellectual nature of mine) I am fascinated as how much the

mind can stretch itself to resolve these pairs of opposites. At the

relative level, they'll never meet, at the absolute on, they are " not

two " .

 

Thank you for your response, and Jan and Tony as well.

 

Yours in Bhagavan,

Mouna

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Adapted from Muruganar's SRI RAMANA ANUBUTI

 

 

P.45 V. 231

 

Children, you who gather

in the sacred shrine

of the compassionate Sad-Guru,

who is more, much more,

than a mother to you,

despising that deluded state of mind

wherein men wander,

open-mouthed in the deceitful world

of the senses, spawned by maya's illusion!

 

Embrace the blessed state of absorption

In Lord Ramana, deep in the Heart;

Bathe in the supreme bliss of his love,

putting an end to the deceitful trickery of maya,

who parades her army of shadows

In a dazzling array, as if they were real,

before the eyes of those who delight

in the pleasures of the physical body.

 

-oOo-

 

Ramana Anubuti- Non-Dual Consciousness- the Flood Tide of Bliss is a long poem

by the great Tamil Poet Muruganar describing his experiences with Bhagavan while

he was taught by him before and after his Self Realisation.

 

The Poem translated by Robert Butler was published by the Ramana Maharshi Centre

for Learning, Bangalore, but is availavble from the Ramanasramam Book Depot. The

Complete Work, which includes this poem entitled Sri Guru Prasadam, translated

by Robert Butler, has now become available on Lulu only. It is very well worth

while.

 

A Very Happy and Auspicious New Year to all members.

 

Alan