Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Arto - In reference to one part of your post: The purpose of a Master is to reveal your own inner guru. One of the great values of an authentic living teacher is that they can speak of their own enlightenment, and in that way encourage your faith in your own potential for enlightenment. They make it 'real' in a personal way. Jeff , " arto " <iamarto wrote: > > Dear Barry, > > I believe this is a very common question, and I am personally asking > the same one to myself always up-till now. > > Yet, I have some thoughts and beliefs that could help in > determination. > > One of the thoughts that had an impact on me was an answer to this > question from a corresponding friend. He told me that I can sincerely > ask the universe for a living Master, and if the request is earnest, > the time is ripe enough, and you are persistent, the desire will be > granted and a Master will appear in your life. > > But then there is something to ponder.. once the living Master > appears in your life, there's no more free-will. The grace of the > Master as a gift from heaven has to be accepted by the requestor > along with the pre-determined path of perfection. When you meet the > Master you cannot escape the perfect destiny afterwards, such that > you cannot say " well I don't like this Master, I do not accept this > way of life " . You have to go through the Path set before you and > endure the difficulties untill the end, for otherwise the consequence > will not be fruitful at all. However if the time is not ripe > enough most probably the Master will not appear. Life cannot put you > in a temptation of denial higher than your spiritual maturity. > > The same friend told me something else that was from his own > experience. He said that after years of thorough searching for a > Master he found it in himself. Although such words *might* seem > spiritually poetic and appealing but " not realistic " but it touched > me to some extent, and made me think that maybe there is a voice > inside me that I ignore that is guiding me and I'm unable to listen. > It reminds me of the beautiful message of the movie " I am Legend " > when Will Smith remembered what his daughter was telling him one day > when he was too busy " Look at the Butterfly~ " , and he ignored the low > voice of innocense in the background, but when he rememberd at the > end of the movie, he knew what to do! > > > arto > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Barry and I have agreed to forward our off line correspondence to > the Group as it may be useful to some members. > > > > Regards, > > > > Alan > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> > > > Re: Is a Living Guru necessary? from Barry > > > " barry domegan " <bazzadom@> > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 5:28 AM > > > Dear Barry, > > > > > > There are two points of view on this, for and against. > > > Bhagavan said that he never claimed a living Guru was > > > unnecessary and the Guru may appear when the time is ripe- > > > or words to that effect. Murugana's school with which I > > > broadly agree, says that a living Guru is not strictly > > > necessary as Bhagavan is alive in the Heart as pure > > > consciousness awareness, his formless form, as it were. I > > > have found this to be the case. > > > > > > Paradoxically, however, Muruganar, Sadhu Om, and Michael > > > James all have had living Gurus. My own view is that one can > > > manage without a living Guru for this reason that he is in > > > the Heart, BUT if one is presented to you who fills the > > > criteria of love and peace in their presence then it is a > > > help and is grace.. They will answer questioins re. > > > difficulties in sadhana which you personally find. Also when > > > they tell you something it strikes the mind with greater > > > authority than all you read in books. Either way - it is in > > > the karma, that you may or may not have one, but progress > > > can be made with sincere effort either way. > > > > > > All love, > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, barry domegan > > > <bazzadom@> wrote: > > > > > > > barry domegan <bazzadom@> > > > > Is a Living Guru necessary? from Barry > > > > " Alan Jacobs " > > > <alanadamsjacobs@> > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009, 7:04 PM > > > > Alan, > > > > I've just come across an interesting quote on > > > the > > > > subject of a living Guru, a question thats often vexed > > > me > > > > since I read that robert Adams said that a living Guru > > > was > > > > necessary. > > > > > > > > Sri Sadhu Om often said that no true disciple of Sri > > > > Ramana can be a guru, because Sri Ramana alone is the > > > guru > > > > of all who are attracted to his teachings. Whenever > > > anyone > > > > asked him whether it is not necessary for us to have a > > > > 'living guru', Sri Sadhu Om used to laugh and > > > say, > > > > " guru alone is living, and we are all dead " , > > > and > > > > he explained the real guru is not a physical body but > > > is the > > > > ever-living spirit, the infinite consciousness of > > > being that > > > > exists within each one of us as our own true self. > > > > > > > > ~ Michael James > > > > > > > > Interesting is it not? > > > > Barry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 *real in a personal way* Yes.. That's why I long for the One who will know how to kill me Thanks Jeff, arto , " Jeff Belyea " <jeff wrote: > > Dear Arto - > > In reference to one part of your post: The purpose of a Master > is to reveal your own inner guru. One of the great values of an > authentic living teacher is that they can speak of their own > enlightenment, and in that way encourage your faith in your > own potential for enlightenment. They make it 'real' in a > personal way. > > Jeff > > , " arto " <iamarto@> wrote: > > > > Dear Barry, > > > > I believe this is a very common question, and I am personally asking > > the same one to myself always up-till now. > > > > Yet, I have some thoughts and beliefs that could help in > > determination. > > > > One of the thoughts that had an impact on me was an answer to this > > question from a corresponding friend. He told me that I can sincerely > > ask the universe for a living Master, and if the request is earnest, > > the time is ripe enough, and you are persistent, the desire will be > > granted and a Master will appear in your life. > > > > But then there is something to ponder.. once the living Master > > appears in your life, there's no more free-will. The grace of the > > Master as a gift from heaven has to be accepted by the requestor > > along with the pre-determined path of perfection. When you meet the > > Master you cannot escape the perfect destiny afterwards, such that > > you cannot say " well I don't like this Master, I do not accept this > > way of life " . You have to go through the Path set before you and > > endure the difficulties untill the end, for otherwise the consequence > > will not be fruitful at all. However if the time is not ripe > > enough most probably the Master will not appear. Life cannot put you > > in a temptation of denial higher than your spiritual maturity. > > > > The same friend told me something else that was from his own > > experience. He said that after years of thorough searching for a > > Master he found it in himself. Although such words *might* seem > > spiritually poetic and appealing but " not realistic " but it touched > > me to some extent, and made me think that maybe there is a voice > > inside me that I ignore that is guiding me and I'm unable to listen. > > It reminds me of the beautiful message of the movie " I am Legend " > > when Will Smith remembered what his daughter was telling him one day > > when he was too busy " Look at the Butterfly~ " , and he ignored the low > > voice of innocense in the background, but when he rememberd at the > > end of the movie, he knew what to do! > > > > > > arto > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Barry and I have agreed to forward our off line correspondence to > > the Group as it may be useful to some members. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> > > > > Re: Is a Living Guru necessary? from Barry > > > > " barry domegan " <bazzadom@> > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 5:28 AM > > > > Dear Barry, > > > > > > > > There are two points of view on this, for and against. > > > > Bhagavan said that he never claimed a living Guru was > > > > unnecessary and the Guru may appear when the time is ripe- > > > > or words to that effect. Murugana's school with which I > > > > broadly agree, says that a living Guru is not strictly > > > > necessary as Bhagavan is alive in the Heart as pure > > > > consciousness awareness, his formless form, as it were. I > > > > have found this to be the case. > > > > > > > > Paradoxically, however, Muruganar, Sadhu Om, and Michael > > > > James all have had living Gurus. My own view is that one can > > > > manage without a living Guru for this reason that he is in > > > > the Heart, BUT if one is presented to you who fills the > > > > criteria of love and peace in their presence then it is a > > > > help and is grace.. They will answer questioins re. > > > > difficulties in sadhana which you personally find. Also when > > > > they tell you something it strikes the mind with greater > > > > authority than all you read in books. Either way - it is in > > > > the karma, that you may or may not have one, but progress > > > > can be made with sincere effort either way. > > > > > > > > All love, > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, barry domegan > > > > <bazzadom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > barry domegan <bazzadom@> > > > > > Is a Living Guru necessary? from Barry > > > > > " Alan Jacobs " > > > > <alanadamsjacobs@> > > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009, 7:04 PM > > > > > Alan, > > > > > I've just come across an interesting quote on > > > > the > > > > > subject of a living Guru, a question thats often vexed > > > > me > > > > > since I read that robert Adams said that a living Guru > > > > was > > > > > necessary. > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sadhu Om often said that no true disciple of Sri > > > > > Ramana can be a guru, because Sri Ramana alone is the > > > > guru > > > > > of all who are attracted to his teachings. Whenever > > > > anyone > > > > > asked him whether it is not necessary for us to have a > > > > > 'living guru', Sri Sadhu Om used to laugh and > > > > say, > > > > > " guru alone is living, and we are all dead " , > > > > and > > > > > he explained the real guru is not a physical body but > > > > is the > > > > > ever-living spirit, the infinite consciousness of > > > > being that > > > > > exists within each one of us as our own true self. > > > > > > > > > > ~ Michael James > > > > > > > > > > Interesting is it not? > > > > > Barry > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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