Escape & Responsibility and All Reversed Definitions

[Guest guest]

I needed to talk about the issue and definition of escape in

particular, because I'm not clearly settled to conclusions and thought

that discussion would help.

 

My initial desire to leave the world behind and go to India is still

burning in my heart. But from another side there is a tricky spiritual

game occurring in my mind due to having problems inside the family.

 

The problem is related to my sister, she has this mood of trying not

to waste time and have fun all the time. My parents are having hard

time to convince her that she should work and spend on her self, but

she's not convinced of this lifestyle.. she had a company of friends

who are not so good, but after many discussions there seems to be no

hope that she change her lifestyle.

 

My parents are not displeased with my own lifestyle, but even if they

do they would never realize that all I'm trying to do is to wake up

from the deadly life I'm living. And.. it's hard to say it but my

family is " dead " . I use this intense word because of the very clear

lack of listening and automatic behavior that I'm perceiving. This

goes to a lot of people I know, in fact I myself am dead, but I

believe that I know the way and they are not prepared yet to know the

way so I can't even discuss this in deep contexts, but I tried to

simplify it to them at one time.

 

And if my family is dead, and I have no role into causing equilibrium

within the family I have (because I tried and I know, and perhaps not

yet qualified), and I need some confirmation into this. I feel that

I'm not part of my family's karma with each other, because I know

where I'm going but they aren't. The dead will never recognize they're

dead unless they see that which is alive. I want to be this candle but

I'm far away from it and have a lot to work with, I have the desire to

go deep into myself and be pushed forward with no more time being

wasted but it seems like I'm isolated from help.

 

The only person who is helping me is myself, but then the dead cannot

wake up the dead. I have my own subconscious rejections but also a

quite acceptable potential, I would feel so stupid if I wasted this

lifetime and then incarnated in an environment of less potential. It

would seem to me that it is a form of punishment due to not doing what

I really came for the first place.

 

To this idea of going to India, and in this deadly dreamworld a lot of

words will be thrown at me.. the man who feared responsibility, the

man who escaped not to face his own problems (when in fact they're not

mine), the man who left behind his family after they raised him and

spent a lot of time and money on him.. The man who abandoned his

family and left his life to escape.

 

And that's the crucifixion of the deadly dreamland, but what is the

truth that I see? I see that leaving the world of the dead to be alive

once again is the true facing of reality, I see that carrying the

responsibility of others and leaving my own is cowardice but true

responsibility stands to being responsible to who I am and what I do.

 

All the definitions are reversed, I do not hear the echo of truth

inside me anywhere else, because the dead are dead to the real

definitions.

 

Do you resonate with this echo, or is not true whatsoever?

[Guest guest]

Jesus reportedly taught that

unless we are willing (thirsty

enough for inner peace and

the knowledge of the Kingdom

of Heaven within) to leave

family, we are not worthy

(ready) to follow him (his

teachings).

 

This is not meant to be a

literal escape from real

responsibility, but rather

an establishment of first

responding to the intuitive

stirrings that you are

experiencing as your TOP

priority.

 

You do not need to go to

India to go within. And as

long as you ramble on in

your head about what you

will or will not encounter,

you are not ready.

 

With love,

 

Jeff

 

 

, " arto " <iamarto wrote:

>

> I needed to talk about the issue and definition of escape in

> particular, because I'm not clearly settled to conclusions and thought

> that discussion would help.

>

> My initial desire to leave the world behind and go to India is still

> burning in my heart. But from another side there is a tricky spiritual

> game occurring in my mind due to having problems inside the family.

>

> The problem is related to my sister, she has this mood of trying not

> to waste time and have fun all the time. My parents are having hard

> time to convince her that she should work and spend on her self, but

> she's not convinced of this lifestyle.. she had a company of friends

> who are not so good, but after many discussions there seems to be no

> hope that she change her lifestyle.

>

> My parents are not displeased with my own lifestyle, but even if they

> do they would never realize that all I'm trying to do is to wake up

> from the deadly life I'm living. And.. it's hard to say it but my

> family is " dead " . I use this intense word because of the very clear

> lack of listening and automatic behavior that I'm perceiving. This

> goes to a lot of people I know, in fact I myself am dead, but I

> believe that I know the way and they are not prepared yet to know the

> way so I can't even discuss this in deep contexts, but I tried to

> simplify it to them at one time.

>

> And if my family is dead, and I have no role into causing equilibrium

> within the family I have (because I tried and I know, and perhaps not

> yet qualified), and I need some confirmation into this. I feel that

> I'm not part of my family's karma with each other, because I know

> where I'm going but they aren't. The dead will never recognize they're

> dead unless they see that which is alive. I want to be this candle but

> I'm far away from it and have a lot to work with, I have the desire to

> go deep into myself and be pushed forward with no more time being

> wasted but it seems like I'm isolated from help.

>

> The only person who is helping me is myself, but then the dead cannot

> wake up the dead. I have my own subconscious rejections but also a

> quite acceptable potential, I would feel so stupid if I wasted this

> lifetime and then incarnated in an environment of less potential. It

> would seem to me that it is a form of punishment due to not doing what

> I really came for the first place.

>

> To this idea of going to India, and in this deadly dreamworld a lot of

> words will be thrown at me.. the man who feared responsibility, the

> man who escaped not to face his own problems (when in fact they're not

> mine), the man who left behind his family after they raised him and

> spent a lot of time and money on him.. The man who abandoned his

> family and left his life to escape.

>

> And that's the crucifixion of the deadly dreamland, but what is the

> truth that I see? I see that leaving the world of the dead to be alive

> once again is the true facing of reality, I see that carrying the

> responsibility of others and leaving my own is cowardice but true

> responsibility stands to being responsible to who I am and what I do.

>

> All the definitions are reversed, I do not hear the echo of truth

> inside me anywhere else, because the dead are dead to the real

> definitions.

>

> Do you resonate with this echo, or is not true whatsoever?

>

[Guest guest]

Actually we can only be responsible for ourselves and our own

enlightenment. As we learn to know ourselves work through our own ego

issues (anger, hate, envy, judgement) and learn to love more and accept

others for what they are, each on their own path of development, we can

become an influence an example for them to follow. We can develope an

energy that has an effect on people. We influence others with that

energy, not by words. When they want advice they will come to you and

ask for it because they will respect you and value your input. Every

person in your life has karmic influences, each one is here to teach us

something and when we stop, listen and become aware we will know what

those lessons are.

, " Jeff Belyea " <jeff wrote:

>

> Jesus reportedly taught that

> unless we are willing (thirsty

> enough for inner peace and

> the knowledge of the Kingdom

> of Heaven within) to leave

> family, we are not worthy

> (ready) to follow him (his

> teachings).

>

> This is not meant to be a

> literal escape from real

> responsibility, but rather

> an establishment of first

> responding to the intuitive

> stirrings that you are

> experiencing as your TOP

> priority.

>

> You do not need to go to

> India to go within. And as

> long as you ramble on in

> your head about what you

> will or will not encounter,

> you are not ready.

>

> With love,

>

> Jeff

>

>

> , " arto " iamarto@ wrote:

> >

> > I needed to talk about the issue and definition of escape in

> > particular, because I'm not clearly settled to conclusions and

thought

> > that discussion would help.

> >

> > My initial desire to leave the world behind and go to India is still

> > burning in my heart. But from another side there is a tricky

spiritual

> > game occurring in my mind due to having problems inside the family.

> >

> > The problem is related to my sister, she has this mood of trying not

> > to waste time and have fun all the time. My parents are having hard

> > time to convince her that she should work and spend on her self, but

> > she's not convinced of this lifestyle.. she had a company of friends

> > who are not so good, but after many discussions there seems to be no

> > hope that she change her lifestyle.

> >

> > My parents are not displeased with my own lifestyle, but even if

they

> > do they would never realize that all I'm trying to do is to wake up

> > from the deadly life I'm living. And.. it's hard to say it but my

> > family is " dead " . I use this intense word because of the very clear

> > lack of listening and automatic behavior that I'm perceiving. This

> > goes to a lot of people I know, in fact I myself am dead, but I

> > believe that I know the way and they are not prepared yet to know

the

> > way so I can't even discuss this in deep contexts, but I tried to

> > simplify it to them at one time.

> >

> > And if my family is dead, and I have no role into causing

equilibrium

> > within the family I have (because I tried and I know, and perhaps

not

> > yet qualified), and I need some confirmation into this. I feel that

> > I'm not part of my family's karma with each other, because I know

> > where I'm going but they aren't. The dead will never recognize

they're

> > dead unless they see that which is alive. I want to be this candle

but

> > I'm far away from it and have a lot to work with, I have the desire

to

> > go deep into myself and be pushed forward with no more time being

> > wasted but it seems like I'm isolated from help.

> >

> > The only person who is helping me is myself, but then the dead

cannot

> > wake up the dead. I have my own subconscious rejections but also a

> > quite acceptable potential, I would feel so stupid if I wasted this

> > lifetime and then incarnated in an environment of less potential. It

> > would seem to me that it is a form of punishment due to not doing

what

> > I really came for the first place.

> >

> > To this idea of going to India, and in this deadly dreamworld a lot

of

> > words will be thrown at me.. the man who feared responsibility, the

> > man who escaped not to face his own problems (when in fact they're

not

> > mine), the man who left behind his family after they raised him and

> > spent a lot of time and money on him.. The man who abandoned his

> > family and left his life to escape.

> >

> > And that's the crucifixion of the deadly dreamland, but what is the

> > truth that I see? I see that leaving the world of the dead to be

alive

> > once again is the true facing of reality, I see that carrying the

> > responsibility of others and leaving my own is cowardice but true

> > responsibility stands to being responsible to who I am and what I

do.

> >

> > All the definitions are reversed, I do not hear the echo of truth

> > inside me anywhere else, because the dead are dead to the real

> > definitions.

> >

> > Do you resonate with this echo, or is not true whatsoever?

> >

>