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From Padamalai P.26 V 17

 

From Bhagavan's Promises and Declarations

 

GIVE ME YOUR BURDENS

 

If you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no

reason for you to worry about the world.

 

-oOo-

 

Note:

 

Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which

this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great

Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in

aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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I am still enquiring. I know for me I have to appeal to a higher source for relief from the human elements. I think I am learning the proper perspective, but at times the human emotions do not cooperate, still need more time to retrain my brain. But, as I deal with each obstacle I know now to ask what I consider to be God for help and it does come. k

 

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Alan Jacobs

Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM

From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

From Padamalai P.26 V 17From Bhagavan's Promises and DeclarationsGIVE ME YOUR BURDENSIf you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no reason for you to worry about the world.-oOo-Note:Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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Dear Karla,

 

My intuition tells me you are on the right track with this thorny question.

 

All best wishes and warm regards,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes wrote:

karla <docdanesRe: From Padamalai by Muruganar Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 1:16 AM

 

 

 I am still enquiring. I know for me I have to appeal to a higher source for relief from the human elements. I think I am learning the proper perspective, but at times the human emotions do not cooperate, still need more time to retrain my brain. But, as I deal with each obstacle I know now to ask what I consider to be God for help and it does come. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM

From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

From Padamalai P.26 V 17From Bhagavan's Promises and DeclarationsGIVE ME YOUR BURDENSIf you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no reason for you to worry about the world.-oOo-Note:Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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Thank you Alan. I don't think we ever stop learning and changing. Maybe after enlightenment, I don't know. The life path a person has in this incarnation, is it chosen or is it a result of past life karma? Someone told me the karma is in the DNA, and what I was going through was not a result of bad Karma, but I am confused. But, then really, it doesn't matter, but I still wonder. I appreciate your input, Alan, I know there are many seekers on the path, but it is hard to find them. The solitary journey to find ones self can be very lonely at times and I suspect it has to be that way, but it is good to know there are others on the same journey even though they are not visible. Peace and light. k

-

 

Alan Jacobs

Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:55 PM

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Dear Karla,

 

My intuition tells me you are on the right track with this thorny question.

 

All best wishes and warm regards,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 1:16 AM

 

 

 I am still enquiring. I know for me I have to appeal to a higher source for relief from the human elements. I think I am learning the proper perspective, but at times the human emotions do not cooperate, still need more time to retrain my brain. But, as I deal with each obstacle I know now to ask what I consider to be God for help and it does come. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM

From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

From Padamalai P.26 V 17From Bhagavan's Promises and DeclarationsGIVE ME YOUR BURDENSIf you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no reason for you to worry about the world.-oOo-Note:Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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Dear Karla,

 

Bhagavan was quite clear that the karma of each jiva is preordained by Iswara from vasanas accumulated in previous lives for his or her spiritual development.He told this to Brunton and it is recorded in the book Conscious Immortality. Karma continues until Realisation when the whole karmatic scheme collapses and there is no more rebirth in samsara on Earth. What happens after Death is a mystery as it may be different for each Jiva. Bhagavan has hinted that there are other planes of existence, and also there is the general idea of Being absorbed in Brahman which is Pure Formless Absolute Consciousness, Reality Bliss. I trust this makes its more clear. We must wait until we get there, and surrender first.

 

All very best wishes in your quest,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes wrote:

karla <docdanesRe: From Padamalai by Muruganar Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 2:51 PM

 

 

 Thank you Alan. I don't think we ever stop learning and changing. Maybe after enlightenment, I don't know. The life path a person has in this incarnation, is it chosen or is it a result of past life karma? Someone told me the karma is in the DNA, and what I was going through was not a result of bad Karma, but I am confused. But, then really, it doesn't matter, but I still wonder. I appreciate your input, Alan, I know there are many seekers on the path, but it is hard to find them. The solitary journey to find ones self can be very lonely at times and I suspect it has to be that way, but it is good to know there are others on the same journey even though they are not visible. Peace and light. k

-

 

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:55 PM

Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Karla,

 

My intuition tells me you are on the right track with this thorny question.

 

All best wishes and warm regards,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: From Padamalai by MuruganarMonday, 12 January, 2009, 1:16 AM

 

 

 I am still enquiring. I know for me I have to appeal to a higher source for relief from the human elements. I think I am learning the proper perspective, but at times the human emotions do not cooperate, still need more time to retrain my brain. But, as I deal with each obstacle I know now to ask what I consider to be God for help and it does come. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM

From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

From Padamalai P.26 V 17From Bhagavan's Promises and DeclarationsGIVE ME YOUR BURDENSIf you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no reason for you to worry about the world.-oOo-Note:Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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Thank you Alan, it seems sometimes the surrendering comes from suffering, but I am pretty sure I understand it. When the pain becomes so sever, we will reach for a higher power because we know it is the only source of peace and love to calm our tormented heart and we let go of the things in this world. We accept that this is an illusion and the real is beyond the veil. I guess I am hard headed so my path may have been harder than it really needed to be, or maybe bad karma. It takes work to shake off the negative thoughts and emotions that have impressed the psychic over many years of believing in the illusion. As we all look to the light our hearts pure and of love, I hope your journey is joyful and blessed with light. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

Monday, January 12, 2009 9:01 AM

Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Karla,

 

Bhagavan was quite clear that the karma of each jiva is preordained by Iswara from vasanas accumulated in previous lives for his or her spiritual development.He told this to Brunton and it is recorded in the book Conscious Immortality. Karma continues until Realisation when the whole karmatic scheme collapses and there is no more rebirth in samsara on Earth. What happens after Death is a mystery as it may be different for each Jiva. Bhagavan has hinted that there are other planes of existence, and also there is the general idea of Being absorbed in Brahman which is Pure Formless Absolute Consciousness, Reality Bliss. I trust this makes its more clear. We must wait until we get there, and surrender first.

 

All very best wishes in your quest,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 2:51 PM

 

 

 Thank you Alan. I don't think we ever stop learning and changing. Maybe after enlightenment, I don't know. The life path a person has in this incarnation, is it chosen or is it a result of past life karma? Someone told me the karma is in the DNA, and what I was going through was not a result of bad Karma, but I am confused. But, then really, it doesn't matter, but I still wonder. I appreciate your input, Alan, I know there are many seekers on the path, but it is hard to find them. The solitary journey to find ones self can be very lonely at times and I suspect it has to be that way, but it is good to know there are others on the same journey even though they are not visible. Peace and light. k

-

 

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:55 PM

Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Karla,

 

My intuition tells me you are on the right track with this thorny question.

 

All best wishes and warm regards,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: From Padamalai by MuruganarMonday, 12 January, 2009, 1:16 AM

 

 

 I am still enquiring. I know for me I have to appeal to a higher source for relief from the human elements. I think I am learning the proper perspective, but at times the human emotions do not cooperate, still need more time to retrain my brain. But, as I deal with each obstacle I know now to ask what I consider to be God for help and it does come. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM

From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

From Padamalai P.26 V 17From Bhagavan's Promises and DeclarationsGIVE ME YOUR BURDENSIf you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no reason for you to worry about the world.-oOo-Note:Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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Dear Karla,

 

I feel your reasoning is sound. However, don't burden your mind with the idea of bad karma, it is a hindrance. Just walk on the path without the burden of the past as far as possible. that's my advice.

 

Thanks for your good wishes.

 

All warm regards,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes wrote:

karla <docdanesRe: From Padamalai by Muruganar Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 3:35 PM

 

 

 Thank you Alan, it seems sometimes the surrendering comes from suffering, but I am pretty sure I understand it. When the pain becomes so sever, we will reach for a higher power because we know it is the only source of peace and love to calm our tormented heart and we let go of the things in this world. We accept that this is an illusion and the real is beyond the veil. I guess I am hard headed so my path may have been harder than it really needed to be, or maybe bad karma. It takes work to shake off the negative thoughts and emotions that have impressed the psychic over many years of believing in the illusion. As we all look to the light our hearts pure and of love, I hope your journey is joyful and blessed with light. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

 

Monday, January 12, 2009 9:01 AM

Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Karla,

 

Bhagavan was quite clear that the karma of each jiva is preordained by Iswara from vasanas accumulated in previous lives for his or her spiritual development. He told this to Brunton and it is recorded in the book Conscious Immortality. Karma continues until Realisation when the whole karmatic scheme collapses and there is no more rebirth in samsara on Earth. What happens after Death is a mystery as it may be different for each Jiva. Bhagavan has hinted that there are other planes of existence, and also there is the general idea of Being absorbed in Brahman which is Pure Formless Absolute Consciousness, Reality Bliss. I trust this makes its more clear. We must wait until we get there, and surrender first.

 

All very best wishes in your quest,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: From Padamalai by MuruganarMonday, 12 January, 2009, 2:51 PM

 

 

 Thank you Alan. I don't think we ever stop learning and changing. Maybe after enlightenment, I don't know. The life path a person has in this incarnation, is it chosen or is it a result of past life karma? Someone told me the karma is in the DNA, and what I was going through was not a result of bad Karma, but I am confused. But, then really, it doesn't matter, but I still wonder. I appreciate your input, Alan, I know there are many seekers on the path, but it is hard to find them. The solitary journey to find ones self can be very lonely at times and I suspect it has to be that way, but it is good to know there are others on the same journey even though they are not visible. Peace and light. k

-

 

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:55 PM

Re: From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Karla,

 

My intuition tells me you are on the right track with this thorny question.

 

All best wishes and warm regards,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan --- On Mon, 12/1/09, karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

karla <docdanes (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: From Padamalai by MuruganarMonday, 12 January, 2009, 1:16 AM

 

 

 I am still enquiring. I know for me I have to appeal to a higher source for relief from the human elements. I think I am learning the proper perspective, but at times the human emotions do not cooperate, still need more time to retrain my brain. But, as I deal with each obstacle I know now to ask what I consider to be God for help and it does come. k

 

-

Alan Jacobs

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM

From Padamalai by Muruganar

 

 

From Padamalai P.26 V 17From Bhagavan's Promises and DeclarationsGIVE ME YOUR BURDENSIf you enquire and know me, the Self within, in that state there will be no reason for you to worry about the world.-oOo-Note:Murunagar wrote a great Poem called 'Padamalai', (Feet of the Guru) from which this verse is an extract. It contains Bhagavan's Utterances which the great Tamil Poet recorded for the more mature seeker, translated by Robert Butler in aphoristic form.Published by Ramanasramam.

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, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Dear Karla,

>  

> Bhagavan was quite clear that the karma of each jiva is preordained

by Iswara from vasanas accumulated in previous lives for his or her

spiritual development.He told this to Brunton and it is recorded in

the book Conscious Immortality. Karma continues until Realisation

when the whole karmatic scheme collapses and there is no more

rebirth in samsara on Earth. What happens after Death is a mystery as

it may be different for each Jiva. Bhagavan has hinted that there are

other planes of existence, and also there is the general idea of

Being absorbed in Brahman which is Pure Formless Absolute

Consciousness, Reality Bliss. I trust this makes its more clear. We

must wait until we get there, and surrender first.

>  

> All very best wishes in your quest,

>  

> Alan

 

Namaste,

 

I think you will find that Ramana also said the Iswara was as real as

you are. Following that you are as real as your karma is. In the end

result you, karma and Iswara are just illusions at best.........Tony

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Dear Tony,

 

From the highest perspective you are right. But Bhagavan often gave teaching statements at a lower perspective to be regarded as true, in order to help people stuck in the position they were in. Absolute statements might be given at a later stage. There is no doubt that Iswara (Almighty God), an adjunct of Brahman for governing the world (samsara) plays a very powerful part in our lives, until we reach the ultimate stage which you quote and Bhagavan describes.

 

All regards,

 

Alan .--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

Tony OClery <aocleryRe: From Padamalai by Muruganar Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 5:04 PM

 

 

, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Karla,>  > Bhagavan was quite clear that the karma of each jiva is preordained by Iswara from vasanas accumulated in previous lives for his or her spiritual development. He told this to Brunton and it is recorded in the book Conscious Immortality. Karma continues until Realisation when the whole karmatic scheme collapses and there is no more rebirth in samsara on Earth. What happens after Death is a mystery as it may be different for each Jiva. Bhagavan has hinted that there are other planes of existence, and also there is the general idea of Being absorbed in Brahman which is Pure Formless Absolute Consciousness, Reality Bliss. I trust this makes its more clear. We must wait until we

get there, and surrender first.>  > All very best wishes in your quest,>  > Alan Namaste,I think you will find that Ramana also said the Iswara was as real as you are. Following that you are as real as your karma is. In the end result you, karma and Iswara are just illusions at best........ .Tony

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, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Dear Tony,

>  

> From the highest perspective you are right. But Bhagavan

often gave teaching statements at a lower perspective to be regarded

as true, in order to help people stuck in the position they were

in. Absolute statements might be given at a later stage. There is no

doubt that Iswara (Almighty God), an adjunct of Brahman for

governing the world (samsara) plays a very powerful part in our

lives, until we reach the ultimate stage which you quote and

Bhagavan describes.

>  

> All regards,

>  

> Alan .

 

Namaste Alan,

 

Except for people who are not mentally developed, the concept of

Iswara is really redundant for non dualists. There is no Iswara doing

anything even if we accept a certain amount of validity to illusion.

 

Praying to Iswara results in a good feeling perhaps, but Saguna only

provides the energy not the will to act or act.

 

Within the illusion of the 3 worlds there is more chance of a Deva or

Angel Spirit being of some use than the concept of Iswara. Remember

Krishna and the two birds on the bough, one is observing only---that

is Iswara doing nothing..........Ramana talked at the level of mind

of his interviewees, that doesn't mean it has to be accepted as

gospel by seekers........Tony

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Thank you Alan.  I don't think we

ever stop learning and changing.  Maybe after enlightenment, I don't

know. The life path a person has in this incarnation, is it chosen or

is it a result of past life karma?  Someone told me the karma is in the

DNA, and what I was going through was not a result of bad Karma, but I

am confused.  But, then really, it doesn't matter, but I still wonder. 

I appreciate your input, Alan, I know there are many seekers on the

path, but it is hard to find them.  The solitary journey to find ones

self can be very lonely at times and I suspect it has to be that way,

but it is good to know there are others on the same journey even though

they are not visible. Peace and light. k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

:)  hi karla, welcome to the company.

 

enlightenment is a anticlimax - all is just as  it should be... in

spite of any expectations.

 

 

Ever

since

 

Beloved,

Ever

since

Your grace removed

My heart's

Hard shell of “meâ€

All my eyes behold

Wherever

and whenever

Everyone

I face

Is

Totally

Enlightened

 

 

 

(the above poem is from "BOOM!")

yosy

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