Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear All, Just some thoughts, if I may... The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised the truth of both. It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of ajatavada than others may be to the idea of God. The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by itself denote realization. The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only sensed than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who can say? The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality. As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is not realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. This may simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest ideals and truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that resonate with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized within. Best wishes, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Peter tku for your contribution - they are welcomed!!!! in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:16 PM Heroes and Gurus Dear All, Just some thoughts, if I may... The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised the truth of both. It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of ajatavada than others may be to the idea of God. The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by itself denote realization. The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only sensed than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who can say? The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality. As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is not realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. This may simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest ideals and truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that resonate with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized within. Best wishes, Peter Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release 21/01/2009 7.07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 , " Peter " <not_2 wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Just some thoughts, if I may... > > > The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened > (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised the truth > of both. > > It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of ajatavada > than others may be to the idea of God. > > The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by itself > denote realization. > > The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only sensed > than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who can say? > > The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling > perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality. > > As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is not > realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. This may > simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest ideals and > truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the > profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that resonate > with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized within. > > Best wishes, > > Peter Namaste,Peter, I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be attached to. How can one be attached to something that never happened. However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana that I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two Brahmans' instead of the absence of Saguna. The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually becomes the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > , " Peter " <not_2@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Just some thoughts, if I may... > > > > > > The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened > > (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised > the truth > > of both. > > > > It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of > ajatavada > > than others may be to the idea of God. > > > > The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by > itself > > denote realization. > > > > The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only > sensed > > than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who > can say? > > > > The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling > > perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality. > > > > As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is > not > > realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. > This may > > simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest > ideals and > > truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the > > profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that > resonate > > with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized > within. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Peter > > Namaste,Peter, > > I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the > conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be > attached to. How can one be attached to something that never happened. > However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was > Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana that > I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or > creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two Brahmans' > instead of the absence of Saguna. > > The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really > Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually becomes > the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as > Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........> Namaste, Here is nothing....read it but don't make something out of it..Cheers Tony. http://www.ugkrishnamurti.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > , " Peter " <not_2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Just some thoughts, if I may... > > > > > > > > > The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever > happened > > > (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised > > the truth > > > of both. > > > > > > It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea > of > > ajatavada > > > than others may be to the idea of God. > > > > > > The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not > by > > itself > > > denote realization. > > > > > > The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only > > sensed > > > than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who > > can say? > > > > > > The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional- feeling > > > perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality. > > > > > > As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is > > not > > > realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. > > This may > > > simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest > > ideals and > > > truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or > the > > > profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that > > resonate > > > with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized > > within. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Peter > > > > Namaste,Peter, > > > > I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the > > conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be > > attached to. How can one be attached to something that never > happened. > > However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was > > Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana > that > > I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or > > creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two > Brahmans' > > instead of the absence of Saguna. > > > > The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really > > Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually becomes > > the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as > > Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........> > > Namaste, > > > Here is nothing....read it but don't make something out of it..Cheers > Tony. > http://www.ugkrishnamurti.net/ > Namaste, It is strange the UG didn't influence my 'thinking' at all for I only read him after my neti neti deductions........however people had asked me if I had...............From the obituary link-------- TELLING IT LIKE IT IS: A messiah is the one who leaves a mess behind him in this world. Religions have promised roses but you end up with only thorns. Going to the pub or the temple is exactly the same; it is quick fix. The body has no independent existence. You are a squatter there. God and sex go together. If God goes sex goes, too. All experiences however extraordinary they may be are in the area of sensuality. Man cannot be anything other than what he is. Whatever he is, he will create a society that mirrors him. Love and hate are not opposite ends of the same spectrum; they are one and the same thing. They are much closer than kissing cousins. Gurus play a social role, so do prostitutes. By using the models of Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna we have destroyed the possibility of nature throwing up unique individuals. It would be more interesting to learn from children, than try to teach them how to behave, how to live and how to function. All I can guarantee you is that as long as you are searching for happiness, you will remain unhappy. You eat not food but ideas. What you wear are not clothes, but labels and names. The plain fact is that if you don't have a problem, you create one. If you don't have a problem you don't feel that you are living. That messy thing called `mind' has created many destructive things. By far the most destructive of them all is God. Atmospheric pollution is most harmless when compared to the spiritual and religious pollution that have plagued the world. Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, where as culture has invented a single mold to which all must conform. It is grotesque. _______*_____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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