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Dear All,

 

Just some thoughts, if I may...

 

 

The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised the truth of both.

 

It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of ajatavada than others may be to the idea of God.

 

The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by itself denote realization.

 

The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only sensed than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who can say?

 

The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality.

 

As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is not realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. This may simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest ideals and truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that resonate with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized within.

 

Best wishes,

 

Peter

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Dear Peter

 

tku for your contribution - they are welcomed!!!!

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

michael

 

 

 

-

 

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:16 PM

Heroes and Gurus

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

Just some thoughts, if I may...

 

 

The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised the truth of both.

 

It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of ajatavada than others may be to the idea of God.

 

The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by itself denote realization.

 

The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only sensed than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who can say?

 

The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality.

 

As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is not realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us. This may simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest ideals and truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that resonate with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized within.

 

Best wishes,

 

Peter

 

 

 

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, " Peter " <not_2 wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Just some thoughts, if I may...

>

>

> The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened

> (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised

the truth

> of both.

>

> It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of

ajatavada

> than others may be to the idea of God.

>

> The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by

itself

> denote realization.

>

> The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only

sensed

> than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who

can say?

>

> The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling

> perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality.

>

> As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is

not

> realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us.

This may

> simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest

ideals and

> truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the

> profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that

resonate

> with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized

within.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Peter

 

Namaste,Peter,

 

I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the

conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be

attached to. How can one be attached to something that never happened.

However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was

Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana that

I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or

creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two Brahmans'

instead of the absence of Saguna.

 

The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really

Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually becomes

the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as

Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........Tony

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, " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

>

> , " Peter " <not_2@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Just some thoughts, if I may...

> >

> >

> > The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever

happened

> > (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised

> the truth

> > of both.

> >

> > It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea

of

> ajatavada

> > than others may be to the idea of God.

> >

> > The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not

by

> itself

> > denote realization.

> >

> > The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only

> sensed

> > than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who

> can say?

> >

> > The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling

> > perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality.

> >

> > As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is

> not

> > realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us.

> This may

> > simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest

> ideals and

> > truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or

the

> > profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that

> resonate

> > with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized

> within.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Peter

>

> Namaste,Peter,

>

> I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the

> conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be

> attached to. How can one be attached to something that never

happened.

> However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was

> Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana

that

> I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or

> creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two

Brahmans'

> instead of the absence of Saguna.

>

> The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really

> Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually becomes

> the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as

> Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........>

Namaste,

 

 

Here is nothing....read it but don't make something out of it..Cheers

Tony.

http://www.ugkrishnamurti.net/

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, " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

>

> , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , " Peter " <not_2@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Just some thoughts, if I may...

> > >

> > >

> > > The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever

> happened

> > > (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has

realised

> > the truth

> > > of both.

> > >

> > > It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea

> of

> > ajatavada

> > > than others may be to the idea of God.

> > >

> > > The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does

not

> by

> > itself

> > > denote realization.

> > >

> > > The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is

only

> > sensed

> > > than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth.

Who

> > can say?

> > >

> > > The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-

feeling

> > > perspective are both standpoints within the experience of

duality.

> > >

> > > As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what

is

> > not

> > > realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around

us.

> > This may

> > > simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the

highest

> > ideals and

> > > truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form;

or

> the

> > > profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that

> > resonate

> > > with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized

> > within.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Peter

> >

> > Namaste,Peter,

> >

> > I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the

> > conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be

> > attached to. How can one be attached to something that never

> happened.

> > However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was

> > Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana

> that

> > I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or

> > creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two

> Brahmans'

> > instead of the absence of Saguna.

> >

> > The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really

> > Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually

becomes

> > the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as

> > Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........> >

> Namaste,

>

>

> Here is nothing....read it but don't make something out of

it..Cheers

> Tony.

> http://www.ugkrishnamurti.net/

>

Namaste,

 

It is strange the UG didn't influence my 'thinking' at all for I only

read him after my neti neti deductions........however people had

asked me if I had...............From the obituary link--------

 

TELLING IT LIKE IT IS:

 

A messiah is the one who leaves a mess behind him in this world.

 

Religions have promised roses but you end up with only thorns.

 

Going to the pub or the temple is exactly the same; it is quick fix.

 

The body has no independent existence. You are a squatter there.

 

God and sex go together. If God goes sex goes, too.

 

All experiences however extraordinary they may be are in the area of

sensuality.

 

Man cannot be anything other than what he is. Whatever he is, he will

create a society that mirrors him.

 

Love and hate are not opposite ends of the same spectrum; they are

one and the same thing. They are much closer than kissing cousins.

 

Gurus play a social role, so do prostitutes.

 

By using the models of Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna we have destroyed

the possibility of nature throwing up unique individuals.

 

It would be more interesting to learn from children, than try to

teach them how to behave, how to live and how to function.

 

All I can guarantee you is that as long as you are searching for

happiness, you will remain unhappy.

 

You eat not food but ideas. What you wear are not clothes, but labels

and names.

 

The plain fact is that if you don't have a problem, you create one.

If you don't have a problem you don't feel that you are living.

 

That messy thing called `mind' has created many destructive things.

By far the most destructive of them all is God.

 

Atmospheric pollution is most harmless when compared to the spiritual

and religious pollution that have plagued the world.

 

Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, where as

culture has invented a single mold to which all must conform. It is

grotesque.

 

_______*_____

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