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> -----Opprinnelig melding-----

> Fra:

> På vegne av Tony OClery

> Sendt: 21. januar 2009 20:05

> Til:

> Emne: Re: Heroes and Gurus

>

> , " Peter " <not_2 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Just some thoughts, if I may...

> >

> >

> > The idea that there is a God and the idea that nothing ever happened

> > (ajatavada) are just ideas to all but the jnani who has realised

> the truth

> > of both.

> >

> > It's possible that some people can be more attached to the idea of

> ajatavada

> > than others may be to the idea of God.

> >

> > The use of logic and reasoning is a mental activity and does not by

> itself

> > denote realization.

> >

> > The inarticulate heart may well be 'closer' to THAT which is only

> sensed

> > than is the intellect which clearly reasons about the truth. Who

> can say?

> >

> > The intellectual-reasoning perspective and the devotional-feeling

> > perspective are both standpoints within the experience of duality.

> >

> > As in the psychological realm so it is in the spiritual - what is

> not

> > realized within ourselves is projected onto the world around us.

> This may

> > simply be the perceived faults we despise in others; the highest

> ideals and

> > truth we perceive in the Guru or the Divine in whatever form; or the

> > profound truths we find embodied in intellectual teachings that

> resonate

> > with us. These are all forms embodying what is not yet realized

> within.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Peter

>

> Namaste,Peter,

>

> I for one am not attached to the idea of ajativada, I reached the

> conclusion through neti neti........so there is no idea to be

> attached to. How can one be attached to something that never happened.

> However the trigger that vaulted me from all the other paths was

> Ramana's statements on ajativada. It was only during my sadhana that

> I reached the conclusion that even the appearance of the world or

> creation didn't happen either, othewise there would be two Brahmans'

> instead of the absence of Saguna.

>

> The so called Heart that is spoken of or the hridayam, is really

> Kundalini-Sakti-Saguna or whatever and unless one actually becomes

> the heart is a trap of kinds itself.......For it is Bliss and as

> Buddha said Bliss is the last impediment..........>

>

 

It is nice to see a wider view on your thoughts and conclusion.

As I do not take this changing mind very serious, here comes a practice of

expression.

 

Is not the use of time ( past tense ) somewhat less subtle? Still it can be

valid in the case of using the movie screen example. And yes, it seems to be

mostly rerun's.

 

Where I come from there was only the initial talk on this matter, and then

silence.

Any mentioning of an idea was not accepted.

( Still I did try for year's to get a message of a final understanding

through : )

 

On the paper the comparisons may seem like one of choosing apples or a royal

pear, but nothing is further from the truth.

The difference's and how we proceed, can only be generalized and obstacles

pointed at.

As Self Knowledge described by Ramana/ Sankara leaves no doubt,

I reluctantly bring along the 'doer'.

( Does Grace ring a bell? ).

 

I see no end or aftermath, only this beginning:

What forever remains unsaid.

 

Ramana is known for his silent teaching.

It is said he spoke and wrote for those who could not absorb it.

 

 

 

Alan

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