Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Growing up in a Christian family and later discovering other traditions, I found a particular affinity with Ramana Maharshi - on two points particularly: One, we share the surrender to the 'death' experience that elicited an awakening, and secondly, his model of the I and I-I. My brief take on this second point is that the 'part' of us that feels distinctly separate - the I, as I am (insert name here) is a function of our rational process and social coersion into identifying with our 'ego' and the linear perspectiv of our internal chatter. The I-I (or the I am That I am) is the awakened Self that now recognizes the I as a secondary form of identity and realization in a relative world, and recognizes the I-I as the primary and absolute reality that has been 'hidden' behind the assumed I. Any more would negate my 'brief' attempt. Love, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 "Jesus Lived In India" by Holger Kersten Dear Jeff , Have you heard of the above mentioned book ? I love Jesus and I beleive he also taught Advaita ( but adapted to the needs of the people around him during his period ) . Did he not say - " I and my Father are One " ? Please do read the book if you have not read the same . It is certainly an eye opener. Pranams Ramesh --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jeff Belyea <jeff wrote: Jeff Belyea <jeff I-I Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:41 PM Growing up in a Christianfamily and later discoveringother traditions, I founda particular affinity withRamana Maharshi - on twopoints particularly:One, we share the surrender to the 'death' experience that elicited an awakening, andsecondly, his model of theI and I-I.My brief take on thissecond point is that the 'part' of us that feelsdistinctly separate - theI, as I am (insert namehere) is a function of our rational process andsocial coersion intoidentifying with our 'ego'and the linear perspectivof our internal chatter.The I-I (or the I am ThatI am) is the awakened Selfthat now recognizes theI as a secondary form ofidentity and realizationin a relative world, andrecognizes the I-I as theprimary and absolute realitythat has been 'hidden'behind the assumed I.Any more would negatemy 'brief' attempt.Love,Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear Ramesh regarding your question JESUS HOLGER KERSTEN AND JESUS HAVING LIVED IN INDIA i read this book very long time ago this theme is nothing new and not special at all they even found a grave somewhere in Afghanistan Pakistan i forgot in my opinion very few facts about Jesus are known and certified if you walk as i did decades ago in Galilea you still felt the aura of "someone" who was like Jeshua all the best michael - ramesh chivukula Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:15 PM Re: I-I "Jesus Lived In India" by Holger Kersten Dear Jeff , Have you heard of the above mentioned book ? I love Jesus and I beleive he also taught Advaita ( but adapted to the needs of the people around him during his period ) . Did he not say - " I and my Father are One " ? Please do read the book if you have not read the same . It is certainly an eye opener. Pranams Ramesh --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jeff Belyea <jeff (AT) mindgoal (DOT) com> wrote: Jeff Belyea <jeff (AT) mindgoal (DOT) com> I-I Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:41 PM Growing up in a Christianfamily and later discoveringother traditions, I founda particular affinity withRamana Maharshi - on twopoints particularly:One, we share the surrender to the 'death' experience that elicited an awakening, andsecondly, his model of theI and I-I.My brief take on thissecond point is that the 'part' of us that feelsdistinctly separate - theI, as I am (insert namehere) is a function of our rational process andsocial coersion intoidentifying with our 'ego'and the linear perspectivof our internal chatter.The I-I (or the I am ThatI am) is the awakened Selfthat now recognizes theI as a secondary form ofidentity and realizationin a relative world, andrecognizes the I-I as theprimary and absolute realitythat has been 'hidden'behind the assumed I.Any more would negatemy 'brief' attempt.Love,Jeff Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release 03/15/09 14:07:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Thank you, Ramesh. I'll definitely check it out. Yes, Jesus seemed to move easily from duality to nonduality - praying to " The Father " and saying both, " If you've seen me, you've seen The Father, " and " My Father and I are one. " Love, Jeff , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > " Jesus Lived In India " by Holger Kersten > > Dear Jeff , > > Have you heard of the above mentioned book ? I love Jesus and I beleive > he also taught Advaita ( but adapted to the needs of the people around him > during his period ) . Did he not say - " I and my Father are One " ? > > Please do read the book if you have not read the same . It is certainly > an eye opener. > > Pranams > > Ramesh > > > > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jeff Belyea <jeff wrote: > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff > I-I > > Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:41 PM Growing up in a Christian > family and later discovering > other traditions, I found > a particular affinity with > Ramana Maharshi - on two > points particularly: > > One, we share the surrender > to the 'death' experience that > elicited an awakening, and > secondly, his model of the > I and I-I. > > My brief take on this > second point is that the > 'part' of us that feels > distinctly separate - the > I, as I am (insert name > here) is a function of > our rational process and > social coersion into > identifying with our 'ego' > and the linear perspectiv > of our internal chatter. > > The I-I (or the I am That > I am) is the awakened Self > that now recognizes the > I as a secondary form of > identity and realization > in a relative world, and > recognizes the I-I as the > primary and absolute reality > that has been 'hidden' > behind the assumed I. > > Any more would negate > my 'brief' attempt. > > Love, > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Dear Michael , I agree that the theme is not new .. I thought some of us might not have heard about this book and I wanted to share .. I tell all my christian friends that I love and revere Jesus and beleive that he was a true son of God ; an avatar. Only one thing I cant accept is the claim that he is "the only begotten son of God " .. As to his grave , the book claims he was buried in Srinagar .. The book may contain lot of factual errors .. but the thought that Jesus lived in India , he learnt from Indian rishis , became an adept in Advaita ( hence his aversion to idol worship ) is very reassuring . Your companion fool, Ramesh --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: I-I Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:41 AM Dear Ramesh regarding your question JESUS HOLGER KERSTEN AND JESUS HAVING LIVED IN INDIA i read this book very long time ago this theme is nothing new and not special at all they even found a grave somewhere in Afghanistan Pakistan i forgot in my opinion very few facts about Jesus are known and certified if you walk as i did decades ago in Galilea you still felt the aura of "someone" who was like Jeshua all the best michael - ramesh chivukula Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:15 PM Re: I-I "Jesus Lived In India" by Holger Kersten Dear Jeff , Have you heard of the above mentioned book ? I love Jesus and I beleive he also taught Advaita ( but adapted to the needs of the people around him during his period ) . Did he not say - " I and my Father are One " ? Please do read the book if you have not read the same . It is certainly an eye opener. Pranams Ramesh --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jeff Belyea <jeff (AT) mindgoal (DOT) com> wrote: Jeff Belyea <jeff (AT) mindgoal (DOT) com> I-ISunday, March 15, 2009, 3:41 PM Growing up in a Christianfamily and later discoveringother traditions, I founda particular affinity withRamana Maharshi - on twopoints particularly:One, we share the surrender to the 'death' experience that elicited an awakening, andsecondly, his model of theI and I-I.My brief take on thissecond point is that the 'part' of us that feelsdistinctly separate - theI, as I am (insert namehere) is a function of our rational process andsocial coersion intoidentifying with our 'ego'and the linear perspectivof our internal chatter.The I-I (or the I am ThatI am) is the awakened Selfthat now recognizes theI as a secondary form ofidentity and realizationin a relative world, andrecognizes the I-I as theprimary and absolute realitythat has been 'hidden'behind the assumed I.Any more would negatemy 'brief' attempt.Love,Jeff Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release 03/15/09 14:07:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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