Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Dear Palaniji: Don't be too hard on your self. It sounds to me like you want to put everything into the Lord's hands, and that is good...only you know whether you are talking to Him or talking to yourself for the sake of talking to yourself. Don't despair...the Lord has a soft spot in His heart for those of us who do not approach self inquiry from the head down, but who start in the Heart and stay there :-) There is a reason why Shri Ramana Maharshi always said there were two ways to realization (or whatever you wish to call it.) The Lord does not give everyone the mental capacity to engage in self enquiry the same way. Just think how bored He would be if everyone approached Him in the same fashion!!! So rejoice in your path and be thankful that you think of Him at all...that is Grace operating in your life. Just because you do not hear Him speaking to you in the way you envision does not mean that He is not talking to you. Try to be attuned to what happens in your life and see His messages there. He is always there, everywhere, to guide you to Him. Just look below at Maharshi's quote which Alanji just posted from... A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. .. "There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it.One is to enquire for whom is this Destiny? and discover that only the ego is bound by Destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent.The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realising one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou Oh Lord' and giving up the sense of 'I' and 'mine', and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you.Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through Self Enquiry or Bhakti Marga Paths." It might be better for you to focus on the posts which relate to Surrender, and not get yourself all caught up in the words of Self Enquiry if that is not for you. And so I have just spoken to you in what would be considered dualistic language...so be it! You must begin where you are comfortable with the ultimate goal in mind...Surrender to the Self which is you and always has been you. I am reproducing a link below for you which leads to David Godman's page on bhakti. It contains a long line of questions to Maharshi relating to Surrender. Note that even where Bhagavan refers to the duality inherent in Surrender to a higher source, he himself talks of the higher source as God. So don't get yourself all caught up in trying to fit into some mold that does not feel comfortable on you... do what comes naturally. If the genuine desire for knowledge is there, that knowledge will be yours. The Maharshi was also known to say that the Grace is always there..let that be your guide. And remember...don't be too hard on yourself. Ahimsa starts with you!!! http://bhagavan-ramana.org/bhakti.html With love to you, dualistically In His Service, Radhe - Palaniappan C Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:16 AM Why Does He NOT speak I have always felt very difficult to do Self Enquiry and later I also read in books and also in one of our groups e-mail, that not for all self - Enquiry can be suitable. But I knew put Bhakti and also Japa. Slowly I started it. Usually I talk with Bhagavan, telling him everything. Be at work or while travelling in bus or while reading books or for that matter any small things. I have been doing it for long time, but recently I got a feeling, am I speaking to Bhagavan or am I speaking to my self, because it was becoming more like putting so many thoughts inside me with the pretention of talking to Bhagavan. And not even once He spoke with me. I had been waiting for it so long. I just want to understand from you all, is it a right way or is it like what I have felt that I'm talking to only myself and not Bhagavan. ~Peace~ Palani Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release 03/06/09 07:20:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Beautifully put Radhe-ji! Either Inquiry or complete surrender to the will of the Lord. Those are the two ways Sri Ramana stated lead to Self-Realization. These are not separate paths but ultimately merge. Sri Ramana, the great jnani sage of Arunachala was also the great devotee. Have you read Sri Ramana’s poetry for Arunachala? Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha On Behalf Of Radhe Monday, March 16, 2009 4:44 PM Re: Why Does He NOT speak\Palaniji Dear Palaniji: Don't be too hard on your self. It sounds to me like you want to put everything into the Lord's hands, and that is good...only you know whether you are talking to Him or talking to yourself for the sake of talking to yourself. Don't despair...the Lord has a soft spot in His heart for those of us who do not approach self inquiry from the head down, but who start in the Heart and stay there :-) There is a reason why Shri Ramana Maharshi always said there were two ways to realization (or whatever you wish to call it.) The Lord does not give everyone the mental capacity to engage in self enquiry the same way. Just think how bored He would be if everyone approached Him in the same fashion!!! So rejoice in your path and be thankful that you think of Him at all...that is Grace operating in your life. Just because you do not hear Him speaking to you in the way you envision does not mean that He is not talking to you. Try to be attuned to what happens in your life and see His messages there. He is always there, everywhere, to guide you to Him. Just look below at Maharshi's quote which Alanji just posted from... A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. .. " There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it.One is to enquire for whom is this Destiny? and discover that only the ego is bound by Destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent. The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realising one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou Oh Lord' and giving up the sense of 'I' and 'mine', and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you. Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through Self Enquiry or Bhakti Marga Paths. " It might be better for you to focus on the posts which relate to Surrender, and not get yourself all caught up in the words of Self Enquiry if that is not for you. And so I have just spoken to you in what would be considered dualistic language...so be it! You must begin where you are comfortable with the ultimate goal in mind...Surrender to the Self which is you and always has been you. I am reproducing a link below for you which leads to David Godman's page on bhakti. It contains a long line of questions to Maharshi relating to Surrender. Note that even where Bhagavan refers to the duality inherent in Surrender to a higher source, he himself talks of the higher source as God. So don't get yourself all caught up in trying to fit into some mold that does not feel comfortable on you... do what comes naturally. If the genuine desire for knowledge is there, that knowledge will be yours. The Maharshi was also known to say that the Grace is always there..let that be your guide. And remember...don't be too hard on yourself. Ahimsa starts with you!!! http://bhagavan-ramana.org/bhakti.html With love to you, dualistically In His Service, Radhe ----- Original Message ----- Palaniappan C Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:16 AM [ - Ramana Guru] Why Does He NOT speak I have always felt very difficult to do Self Enquiry and later I also read in books and also in one of our groups e-mail, that not for all self - Enquiry can be suitable. But I knew put Bhakti and also Japa. Slowly I started it. Usually I talk with Bhagavan, telling him everything. Be at work or while travelling in bus or while reading books or for that matter any small things. I have been doing it for long time, but recently I got a feeling, am I speaking to Bhagavan or am I speaking to my self, because it was becoming more like putting so many thoughts inside me with the pretention of talking to Bhagavan. And not even once He spoke with me. I had been waiting for it so long. I just want to understand from you all, is it a right way or is it like what I have felt that I'm talking to only myself and not Bhagavan. ~Peace~ Palani Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release 03/06/09 07:20:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Dear Rhade, I agree with Michael. Your warm letter and sound advice to Palanji felt exactly right. Love, yours in Bhagavan, Alan --- On Sat, 11/4/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: Why Does He NOT speak\Palaniji Date: Saturday, 11 April, 2009, 9:26 PM Dear Radhe and Palanji your email touched me with its honesty and "practical" approach As Sri Ramana Maharshi stated (of course i do not know at the moment where it is written..) both ways SURRENDER and INQUIRY lead to SELF And who choses SURRENDER will at the end inquir too.... in SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI michael - Radhe Monday, March 16, 2009 10:43 PM Re: Why Does He NOT speak\Palaniji Dear Palaniji: Don't be too hard on your self. It sounds to me like you want to put everything into the Lord's hands, and that is good...only you know whether you are talking to Him or talking to yourself for the sake of talking to yourself. Don't despair...the Lord has a soft spot in His heart for those of us who do not approach self inquiry from the head down, but who start in the Heart and stay there :-) There is a reason why Shri Ramana Maharshi always said there were two ways to realization (or whatever you wish to call it.) The Lord does not give everyone the mental capacity to engage in self enquiry the same way. Just think how bored He would be if everyone approached Him in the same fashion!!! So rejoice in your path and be thankful that you think of Him at all...that is Grace operating in your life. Just because you do not hear Him speaking to you in the way you envision does not mean that He is not talking to you. Try to be attuned to what happens in your life and see His messages there. He is always there, everywhere, to guide you to Him. Just look below at Maharshi's quote which Alanji just posted from... A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. .. "There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it.One is to enquire for whom is this Destiny? and discover that only the ego is bound by Destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent.The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realising one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou Oh Lord' and giving up the sense of 'I' and 'mine', and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you.Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through Self Enquiry or Bhakti Marga Paths." It might be better for you to focus on the posts which relate to Surrender, and not get yourself all caught up in the words of Self Enquiry if that is not for you. And so I have just spoken to you in what would be considered dualistic language...so be it! You must begin where you are comfortable with the ultimate goal in mind...Surrender to the Self which is you and always has been you. I am reproducing a link below for you which leads to David Godman's page on bhakti. It contains a long line of questions to Maharshi relating to Surrender. Note that even where Bhagavan refers to the duality inherent in Surrender to a higher source, he himself talks of the higher source as God. So don't get yourself all caught up in trying to fit into some mold that does not feel comfortable on you... do what comes naturally. If the genuine desire for knowledge is there, that knowledge will be yours. The Maharshi was also known to say that the Grace is always there..let that be your guide. And remember...don' t be too hard on yourself. Ahimsa starts with you!!! http://bhagavan- ramana.org/ bhakti.html With love to you, dualistically In His Service, Radhe - Palaniappan C Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:16 AM Why Does He NOT speak I have always felt very difficult to do Self Enquiry and later I also read in books and also in one of our groups e-mail, that not for all self - Enquiry can be suitable. But I knew put Bhakti and also Japa. Slowly I started it. Usually I talk with Bhagavan, telling him everything. Be at work or while travelling in bus or while reading books or for that matter any small things. I have been doing it for long time, but recently I got a feeling, am I speaking to Bhagavan or am I speaking to my self, because it was becoming more like putting so many thoughts inside me with the pretention of talking to Bhagavan. And not even once He spoke with me. I had been waiting for it so long. I just want to understand from you all, is it a right way or is it like what I have felt that I'm talking to only myself and not Bhagavan. ~Peace~ Palani Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release 03/06/09 07:20:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Dear All , Rajaji in his introduction to Bhaja Govindam rendering by veteren vocalist M.S.Subbulakshmi says " Jnana and Bhakti are one and the same " .. Whether we approach through Self Enquiry or through Complete Surrender ( possibly through dvaitha - Example Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa - although a Self Realised Advaithin , still continued to enjoy the dvaitic worship of mother goddess Kali ) ; what matters to us is whether we are getting closer to liberation or not ..That is the point .. the goal is the same , paths may differ slightly to suit our karmic affiliations ? When we are seemingly lost .. when we are helpless .. then we become vulnerable.. At that point the Ego crumbles and the Supreme Grace takes over .. that is for sure ; this is a natural process .. It is a question of Time ! Patience , Patience , I keep telling myself ... All is well .. everything shall end well .. Love and Pranams Ramesh --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobsRe: Why Does He NOT speak\Palaniji Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 8:25 AM Dear Rhade, I agree with Michael. Your warm letter and sound advice to Palanji felt exactly right. Love, yours in Bhagavan, Alan --- On Sat, 11/4/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Re: Why Does He NOT speak\PalanijiSaturday, 11 April, 2009, 9:26 PM Dear Radhe and Palanji your email touched me with its honesty and "practical" approach As Sri Ramana Maharshi stated (of course i do not know at the moment where it is written..) both ways SURRENDER and INQUIRY lead to SELF And who choses SURRENDER will at the end inquir too.... in SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI michael - Radhe Monday, March 16, 2009 10:43 PM Re: Why Does He NOT speak\Palaniji Dear Palaniji: Don't be too hard on your self. It sounds to me like you want to put everything into the Lord's hands, and that is good...only you know whether you are talking to Him or talking to yourself for the sake of talking to yourself. Don't despair...the Lord has a soft spot in His heart for those of us who do not approach self inquiry from the head down, but who start in the Heart and stay there :-) There is a reason why Shri Ramana Maharshi always said there were two ways to realization (or whatever you wish to call it.) The Lord does not give everyone the mental capacity to engage in self enquiry the same way. Just think how bored He would be if everyone approached Him in the same fashion!!! So rejoice in your path and be thankful that you think of Him at all...that is Grace operating in your life. Just because you do not hear Him speaking to you in the way you envision does not mean that He is not talking to you. Try to be attuned to what happens in your life and see His messages there. He is always there, everywhere, to guide you to Him. Just look below at Maharshi's quote which Alanji just posted from... A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. .. "There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it.One is to enquire for whom is this Destiny? and discover that only the ego is bound by Destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent.The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realising one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou Oh Lord' and giving up the sense of 'I' and 'mine', and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you.Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through Self Enquiry or Bhakti Marga Paths." It might be better for you to focus on the posts which relate to Surrender, and not get yourself all caught up in the words of Self Enquiry if that is not for you. And so I have just spoken to you in what would be considered dualistic language...so be it! You must begin where you are comfortable with the ultimate goal in mind...Surrender to the Self which is you and always has been you. I am reproducing a link below for you which leads to David Godman's page on bhakti. It contains a long line of questions to Maharshi relating to Surrender. Note that even where Bhagavan refers to the duality inherent in Surrender to a higher source, he himself talks of the higher source as God. So don't get yourself all caught up in trying to fit into some mold that does not feel comfortable on you... do what comes naturally. If the genuine desire for knowledge is there, that knowledge will be yours. The Maharshi was also known to say that the Grace is always there..let that be your guide. And remember...don' t be too hard on yourself. Ahimsa starts with you!!! http://bhagavan- ramana.org/ bhakti.html With love to you, dualistically In His Service, Radhe - Palaniappan C Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:16 AM Why Does He NOT speak I have always felt very difficult to do Self Enquiry and later I also read in books and also in one of our groups e-mail, that not for all self - Enquiry can be suitable. But I knew put Bhakti and also Japa. Slowly I started it. Usually I talk with Bhagavan, telling him everything. Be at work or while travelling in bus or while reading books or for that matter any small things. I have been doing it for long time, but recently I got a feeling, am I speaking to Bhagavan or am I speaking to my self, because it was becoming more like putting so many thoughts inside me with the pretention of talking to Bhagavan. And not even once He spoke with me. I had been waiting for it so long. I just want to understand from you all, is it a right way or is it like what I have felt that I'm talking to only myself and not Bhagavan. ~Peace~ Palani Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release 03/06/09 07:20:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Dear Radhe and Palanji your email touched me with its honesty and "practical" approach As Sri Ramana Maharshi stated (of course i do not know at the moment where it is written..) both ways SURRENDER and INQUIRY lead to SELF And who choses SURRENDER will at the end inquir too.... in SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI michael - Radhe Monday, March 16, 2009 10:43 PM Re: Why Does He NOT speak\Palaniji Dear Palaniji: Don't be too hard on your self. It sounds to me like you want to put everything into the Lord's hands, and that is good...only you know whether you are talking to Him or talking to yourself for the sake of talking to yourself. Don't despair...the Lord has a soft spot in His heart for those of us who do not approach self inquiry from the head down, but who start in the Heart and stay there :-) There is a reason why Shri Ramana Maharshi always said there were two ways to realization (or whatever you wish to call it.) The Lord does not give everyone the mental capacity to engage in self enquiry the same way. Just think how bored He would be if everyone approached Him in the same fashion!!! So rejoice in your path and be thankful that you think of Him at all...that is Grace operating in your life. Just because you do not hear Him speaking to you in the way you envision does not mean that He is not talking to you. Try to be attuned to what happens in your life and see His messages there. He is always there, everywhere, to guide you to Him. Just look below at Maharshi's quote which Alanji just posted from... A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. .. "There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it.One is to enquire for whom is this Destiny? and discover that only the ego is bound by Destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent.The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realising one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou Oh Lord' and giving up the sense of 'I' and 'mine', and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you.Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through Self Enquiry or Bhakti Marga Paths." It might be better for you to focus on the posts which relate to Surrender, and not get yourself all caught up in the words of Self Enquiry if that is not for you. And so I have just spoken to you in what would be considered dualistic language...so be it! You must begin where you are comfortable with the ultimate goal in mind...Surrender to the Self which is you and always has been you. I am reproducing a link below for you which leads to David Godman's page on bhakti. It contains a long line of questions to Maharshi relating to Surrender. Note that even where Bhagavan refers to the duality inherent in Surrender to a higher source, he himself talks of the higher source as God. So don't get yourself all caught up in trying to fit into some mold that does not feel comfortable on you... do what comes naturally. If the genuine desire for knowledge is there, that knowledge will be yours. The Maharshi was also known to say that the Grace is always there..let that be your guide. And remember...don't be too hard on yourself. Ahimsa starts with you!!! http://bhagavan-ramana.org/bhakti.html With love to you, dualistically In His Service, Radhe - Palaniappan C Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:16 AM Why Does He NOT speak I have always felt very difficult to do Self Enquiry and later I also read in books and also in one of our groups e-mail, that not for all self - Enquiry can be suitable. But I knew put Bhakti and also Japa. Slowly I started it. Usually I talk with Bhagavan, telling him everything. Be at work or while travelling in bus or while reading books or for that matter any small things. I have been doing it for long time, but recently I got a feeling, am I speaking to Bhagavan or am I speaking to my self, because it was becoming more like putting so many thoughts inside me with the pretention of talking to Bhagavan. And not even once He spoke with me. I had been waiting for it so long. I just want to understand from you all, is it a right way or is it like what I have felt that I'm talking to only myself and not Bhagavan. ~Peace~ Palani Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release 03/06/09 07:20:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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