Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN XI. Fate and Freewill P.48 Everything is predetermined. But a man [or woman] is always free not to identify himself [or herself] with the body And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains consequent on the body's activities. oOo- Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is. Pranams Ramesh --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM From GEMS FROM BHAGAVANXI. Fate and Freewill P.48Everything is predetermined.But a man [or woman] is always freenot to identify himself [or herself] with the bodyAnd not to be affected by the pleasures or painsconsequent on the body's activities.oOo-Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is. > > Pranams > > Ramesh > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs > From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN > > XI. Fate and Freewill > > P.48 > > Everything is predetermined. > But a man [or woman] is always free > not to identify himself [or herself] with the body > And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains > consequent on the body's activities. > > oOo- > > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . > Dear Ramesh, Not to identify with the events of body-mind complex is in our hands.How can the spirit has destiny when spirit is beyond spacio-time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 , andreas farsatis <born010405 wrote: > > Fate has a beginning - a cause - an action and that cant > be done without freewill, and becouse freewill is the origin cause > is the sovereign factor, that means by cultivating freewill, > fate can be defeated. > Cultivating freewill is Self-inquiry.. > > Namaste and warm regards > > Sandoshan > > --- alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs schrieb am Do, 19.3.2009: > > > Von: alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs > Betreff: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > An: > Datum: Donnerstag, 19. März 2009, 9:18 > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN > > XI. Fate and Freewill > > P.48 > > Everything is predetermined. > But a man [or woman] is always free > not to identify himself [or herself] with the body > And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains > consequent on the body's activities. > > oOo- > > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . >Dear Sandoshan, Enquiring into the nature of cultivator of free will is self-enquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Dear Raju ji, My spiritual destiny i meant here our conscious Sadana or effort to free ourselves from the BMI identification.. I agree that for the supreme spirit - there is no destiny , no movement - only stillness , pure sat chit ananda.. Pranams ramesh --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: drrajunsp <drrajunspRe: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:32 PM , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>> In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is.> > Pranams> > Ramesh> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> > > alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...>> From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN'> > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM> > > > > > > > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN> > XI. Fate and Freewill > > P.48> > Everything is predetermined.> But a man [or woman] is always free> not to identify himself [or herself] with the body> And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains> consequent on the body's activities.> > oOo-> > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam .>Dear Ramesh,Not to identify with the events of body-mind complexis in our hands.How can the spirit has destiny when spirit isbeyond spacio-time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > Dear Raju ji, > > My spiritual destiny i meant here our conscious Sadana or effort to > free ourselves from the BMI identification.. I agree that for the supreme > spirit - there is no destiny , no movement - only stillness , pure sat chit ananda.. > > Pranams > > ramesh > Dr.Raju wrote: Dear Ramesh, >I feel that only sadhana is in our hands.The rest is done by grace only.Many say even the idea to do sadhana is due to the action of grace. > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: > > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp > Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:32 PM , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is. > > > > Pranams > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> > > From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > > > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN > > > > XI. Fate and Freewill > > > > P.48 > > > > Everything is predetermined. > > But a man [or woman] is always free > > not to identify himself [or herself] with the body > > And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains > > consequent on the body's activities. > > > > oOo- > > > > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . > > > Dear Ramesh, > Not to identify with the events of body-mind complex > is in our hands.How can the spirit has destiny when spirit is > beyond spacio-time? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Dear Raju ji, It is said that Grace is ever present ..when the time is ripe we start feeling It ! As we do Sadhana , we feel more and more of Its presence and we are thus less less bound by limitations .. All this again is HIS Grace only ! Pranams ramesh --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: drrajunsp <drrajunsp Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:01 PM , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Raju ji,> > My spiritual destiny i meant here our conscious Sadana or effort to > free ourselves from the BMI identification. . I agree that for the supreme> spirit - there is no destiny , no movement - only stillness , pure sat chit ananda..> > Pranams> > ramesh> Dr.Raju wrote:Dear Ramesh,>I feel that only sadhana is in our hands.The rest is done by graceonly.Many say even the idea to do sadhana is due to the action of grace. > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:> > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ...>> Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN'> > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:32 PM> > > > > > > , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:> >> > In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is.> > > > Pranams> > > > Ramesh> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...>> > Subject: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN'> > > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN> > > > XI. Fate and Freewill > > > > P.48> > > > Everything is predetermined.> > But a man [or woman] is always free> > not to identify himself [or herself] with the body> > And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains> > consequent on the body's activities.> > > > oOo-> > > > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam .> >> Dear Ramesh,> Not to identify with the events of body-mind complex> is in our hands.How can the spirit has destiny when spirit is> beyond spacio-time?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > Dear Raju ji, > > It is said that Grace is ever present ..when the time is ripe we start feeling It ! > As we do Sadhana , we feel more and more of Its presence and we are thus > less less bound by limitations .. All this again is HIS Grace only ! > > Pranams > > ramesh > Dr.Raju wrote: Dear Ramesh, As you rightly pointed out and even Adi Sankara says three factors are important for success in the spiritual evolution 1)Swaprayatnam i.e Sadhana 2)Eswara Kataksham i.e grace 3)Kala Paripakvam i.e ripeness of time All the three factors play a vital role in spiritual advancement. Unless we do sadhana grace will not be activated and time will not ripe for us.So sadhana is very important.In yoga vasista, sage Vasista told Rama importance of sadhana in spiritual evolution. > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: > > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp > Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:01 PM , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Raju ji, > > > > My spiritual destiny i meant here our conscious Sadana or effort to > > free ourselves from the BMI identification. . I agree that for the supreme > > spirit - there is no destiny , no movement - only stillness , pure sat chit ananda.. > > > > Pranams > > > > ramesh > > Dr.Raju wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > >I feel that only sadhana is in our hands.The rest is done by grace > only.Many say even the idea to do sadhana is due to the action of grace. > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp@ ..> > > Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > > > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is. > > > > > > Pranams > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> > > > From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' > > > > > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN > > > > > > XI. Fate and Freewill > > > > > > P.48 > > > > > > Everything is predetermined. > > > But a man [or woman] is always free > > > not to identify himself [or herself] with the body > > > And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains > > > consequent on the body's activities. > > > > > > oOo- > > > > > > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Not to identify with the events of body-mind complex > > is in our hands.How can the spirit has destiny when spirit is > > beyond spacio-time? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Dear Raju ji, Thank you once again .. You have put it very succintly ! Pranams ramesh --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: drrajunsp <drrajunsp Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN' Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:11 PM , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Raju ji,> > It is said that Grace is ever present ..when the time is ripe we start feeling It !> As we do Sadhana , we feel more and more of Its presence and we are thus> less less bound by limitations .. All this again is HIS Grace only !> > Pranams> > ramesh> Dr.Raju wrote:Dear Ramesh,As you rightly pointed out and even Adi Sankara saysthree factors are important for success in the spiritual evolution1)Swaprayatnam i.e Sadhana2)Eswara Kataksham i.e grace3)Kala Paripakvam i.e ripeness of timeAll the three factors play a vital role in spiritual advancement.Unless we do sadhana grace will not be activated and time willnot ripe for us.So sadhana is very important.In yoga vasista,sage Vasista told Rama importance of sadhana in spiritualevolution.> > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:> > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..>> Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN'> > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:01 PM> > > > > > > , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Raju ji,> > > > My spiritual destiny i meant here our conscious Sadana or effort to > > free ourselves from the BMI identification. . I agree that for the supreme> > spirit - there is no destiny , no movement - only stillness , pure sat chit ananda..> > > > Pranams> > > > ramesh> > Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Ramesh,> >I feel that only sadhana is in our hands.The rest is done by grace> only.Many say even the idea to do sadhana is due to the action of grace. > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp@ ..>> > Re: From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN'> > > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:32 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > In short : Material or Physical Destiny is not in our hands ; but Spiritual Destiny is.> > > > > > Pranams> > > > > > Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...>> > > From 'GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN'> > > > > > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN> > > > > > XI. Fate and Freewill > > > > > > P.48> > > > > > Everything is predetermined.> > > But a man [or woman] is always free> > > not to identify himself [or herself] with the body> > > And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains> > > consequent on the body's activities.> > > > > > oOo-> > > > > > Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam .> > >> > Dear Ramesh,> > Not to identify with the events of body-mind complex> > is in our hands.How can the spirit has destiny when spirit is> > beyond spacio-time?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 alanadamsjacobs wrote: >From GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN XI. Fate and Freewill P.48 Everything is predetermined. But a man [or woman] is always free not to identify himself [or herself] with the body And not to be affected by the pleasures or pains consequent on the body's activities. oh yes, indeed... oOo- Gems is a small but comprehensive collection of the Maharshi's utterances by A.Deveraj Mudaliar, author of Day by Day with Bhagavan. The Booklet is available from Ramanasramam . thank you foe the gems.... jai remanaji! in gratitude, _()_ yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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