Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Dear Michael, Thanks. I like your metaphor. Here are some more:- Neo Advaita gives you at a cost- mind you- there's no such thing as a free satsang. The icing without the cake. The cart before the horse. A place for long term parking. But let it be said that attractive personalities give some of the basic concepts of Advaita as an introduction for the more mature seekers to move on, hopefully to Ramana. Neo Advaitin teachers are the lazy westerners stepping stones to the razor's edge. Love, Alan --- On Sat, 21/3/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: From Gems from Bhagavan Date: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 1:59 PM Dear Alan your wordpower - oh gosh adimireable. ... .......not make surrender, as you say, an excuse for making no effort, and then relying on Grace, expecting the Lottery Prrize without buying the ticket. this neoadvaitin stuff reminds me on a discussion my wife and i just had in the car about HDTV highdefinition televions contra the old tube TV we saw both in practice and the "modern one" besides causing immeadetely headache to my highly sensitive wife cannot be compared at all with the "good old tubesystem". ..... our impression was proved by an highly technical artice where this statement was included!!!! and viewing our own experience shooting pictures the old fashioned way with old type of cameras (my first was "primitive" agfa-box in the early 50s and leica M3 and black and white and colour and selfdeveloping black white and digital cameras) sylvie "of course" is highly gifted in this craft too and we both admitted no comparison between the easy modern systems and the oldfashioned ones..... the same like the real way back home .....ADVAITA and neo-advaita thank you for being gifted enough to formulate the TRUTH in such easy understandable words in ITS Grace your friend michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Peter, > > Thanks, as ever, for your thoughtful posting. I agree with your warning about Neo Advaita which gives the destination without the journey. It seems on the journey, the effort must be intense, not casual as the posting tells us, and we must not make surrender, as you say, an excuse for making no effort, and then relying on Grace, expecting the Lottery Prrize without buying the ticket. > > Love, > > In Him, > > Alan " to travel well is not less inportant then to arrive " (chinese saying) the journey IS the destination... the journey and the destination is one. the farthest we can get, my friends, sparring no efforts, exerting our will to the utmost - is all the way up to right here. now and ever. BOOM! jai ramanaji, yosy > > --- On Sat, 21/3/09, Peter <not_2 wrote: > > > Peter <not_2 > RE: From Gems from Bhagavan > > Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 7:21 AM Dear Alan, > > It's good to see these words below from Bhagavan (see quote from 'Gems'). > Sometimes I wonder if 'our' repetitions of " Leave it all to God's grace! " > are genuine attempts at surrender or just an abnegation of responsibility > for the effort needed towards our own sadhana (spiritual practice). > > Sometimes, (again that word) I wonder what is the difference between that > approach and the recent Neo-Advaita movement with it's laid back attitude of > nowhere to go, no one to go there, and no sadhana (effort) necessary. I am > thinking here of the quote from your good critique of Neo Advaita: > > " What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the seductive formula that > 'there is nothing you can do or need to do, all you have to know is that > there is no one there.' " > > http://luthar. com/advaita- and-western- neo-advaita- a-study-by- alan-adam- jacob > s > > I think what I'm saying is that perhaps we need to be careful not to make > surrender into a " seductive formula " of... > > " there is nothing you can do or need to do, all you have to know is that > everything happens according to His Grace. " > > Of course, only each of us can answer these questions for ourselves. > > With best wishes, > > Peter > > From Gems from Bhagavan > > VIII SELF REALISATION > > P.38 > > Ishta Devata (Deity of one's choice) and Guru are aids, > > Very powerful aids on this path. > > But an aid to be effective > > requires your effort also. > > Your effort is a sine qua non (without which nothing). > > It is you who should see the Sun, > > Can spectacles and the Sun see the for you? > > You yourself have to see your True Nature. > > Not much aid is required for doing it. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > > Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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