Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 A Great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami sent to one of members Barry Domegan from John Maynard- a resident at Ramanasramam. > Question: What are the different stages or > levels of the mind that one passes through before realising > the Self? > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts. The more easily > you can be without thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct > experience of the Self. To make the mind die you must > deprive it of thoughts. The effortless thought-free state is > the highest level of practice. > > There are no states or degrees of realization, there are > only stages of spiritual practice. The final stage of > sadhana is this effortless thought-free state. If this state > can be maintained, then the " I " will sink into the > Self and it will experience the bliss of the Self. These > experiences are only temporary; the " I " will > continue to reassert itself until the moment of realization. > Realization can only happen in this effortless thought-free > state, for it is only in this state that the Self can > destroy the > " I " -thought. The " I " -thought, which is > the mind, must die completely before Self-Realization > occurs. > > Question: How is one to make the mind die? > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never eliminate itself > without the grace of the Self. The mind is afraid of its own > death; it will not do anything to endanger its own > existence. It is like the theif who poses as a policement in > order to catch himself because he ultimately wants to > escape. SImilarly with the mind. The mind will engage in > sadhana, thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as soon as > the mind starts to sink into the Heart, a great fear arises > which prevents the mind from completely subsiding. This fear > is part of the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you > will never overcome it by effort alone. It is because of > this that you need the grace of the Guru. When you > concentrate on the name and form of the Guru, or try to be > without thoughts, the grace of the Guru calms the mind and > helps > it to overcome the fear which would otherwise prevent it > from completely subsiding. > > Question: Whyi s it necessary for the mind to die? > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there is no other > way to realize the Self. Some people say that complete > equanimity of mind is Self-Realization, but this is not > true. Thius is only a stage one passes through on the way to > Self-Realizaiton. Other people say that seeing the Self or > God everywhere is Self-Realization, but this is not true > either. To see the Self everywhere there must be an > " I " who sees, and while that " I " exists > the mind will also exist. The jnani does not see anything > because the seeing entity in him has died. In the Self, > there is no seeing, only being. When the mind still exists > one can reach a stage where one can see the whole world as a > manifestation of the Self, but when the mind dies, there is > no one who sees and no world to be seen. > > If you have a mind then the earth, the > sky, and the stars will exist, and you will be able to see > them. When the mind dies there will be no earth, no sky, no > stars, and no world. The world of objects, names, and forms > is only the mind, and when the mind dies, the world dies > with it. Only the Self then remains. > > Seeing everything as the Self gives the impression that the > Self is equally distributed everywhere. This is also an idea > in the mind. When the mind finally dies you realize that > there is no distribution and no > everywhere. > > > So > I go off now to be in the effortless thought fee state, with > no desires for anything or > nothing... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Dear Friends, In case anyone is puzzled by the last paragraphs- what Swami is speaking about is from the Absolute or Transcedental State of Ajata,as known in Samahdi. When he interacts with the world according to the body's destiny, he sees the world as a dream but with the difference that he perceives the substratum of all as Pure Absolute Consciousness. Members may like to comment. alan > > A Great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami > sent to one of members Barry Domegan from John Maynard- a resident at Ramanasramam. > > > Question: What are the different stages or > > levels of the mind that one passes through before realising > > the Self? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts. The more easily > > you can be without thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct > > experience of the Self. To make the mind die you must > > deprive it of thoughts. The effortless thought-free state is > > the highest level of practice. > > > > There are no states or degrees of realization, there are > > only stages of spiritual practice. The final stage of > > sadhana is this effortless thought-free state. If this state > > can be maintained, then the " I " will sink into the > > Self and it will experience the bliss of the Self. These > > experiences are only temporary; the " I " will > > continue to reassert itself until the moment of realization. > > Realization can only happen in this effortless thought-free > > state, for it is only in this state that the Self can > > destroy the > > " I " -thought. The " I " -thought, which is > > the mind, must die completely before Self-Realization > > occurs. > > > > Question: How is one to make the mind die? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never eliminate itself > > without the grace of the Self. The mind is afraid of its own > > death; it will not do anything to endanger its own > > existence. It is like the theif who poses as a policement in > > order to catch himself because he ultimately wants to > > escape. SImilarly with the mind. The mind will engage in > > sadhana, thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as soon as > > the mind starts to sink into the Heart, a great fear arises > > which prevents the mind from completely subsiding. This fear > > is part of the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you > > will never overcome it by effort alone. It is because of > > this that you need the grace of the Guru. When you > > concentrate on the name and form of the Guru, or try to be > > without thoughts, the grace of the Guru calms the mind and > > helps > > it to overcome the fear which would otherwise prevent it > > from completely subsiding. > > > > Question: Whyi s it necessary for the mind to die? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there is no other > > way to realize the Self. Some people say that complete > > equanimity of mind is Self-Realization, but this is not > > true. Thius is only a stage one passes through on the way to > > Self-Realizaiton. Other people say that seeing the Self or > > God everywhere is Self-Realization, but this is not true > > either. To see the Self everywhere there must be an > > " I " who sees, and while that " I " exists > > the mind will also exist. The jnani does not see anything > > because the seeing entity in him has died. In the Self, > > there is no seeing, only being. When the mind still exists > > one can reach a stage where one can see the whole world as a > > manifestation of the Self, but when the mind dies, there is > > no one who sees and no world to be seen. > > > > If you have a mind then the earth, the > > sky, and the stars will exist, and you will be able to see > > them. When the mind dies there will be no earth, no sky, no > > stars, and no world. The world of objects, names, and forms > > is only the mind, and when the mind dies, the world dies > > with it. Only the Self then remains. > > > > Seeing everything as the Self gives the impression that the > > Self is equally distributed everywhere. This is also an idea > > in the mind. When the mind finally dies you realize that > > there is no distribution and no > > everywhere. > > > > > > So > > I go off now to be in the effortless thought fee state, with > > no desires for anything or > > nothing... > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Dear Alan , Wonderful piece of inner wisdom ..the key here seems to effortlessness.. when there is complete trust , conviction and surrender .. any effort becomes redundant .. as the Supreme Grace takes over and we understand that our remnant role on this earth is that of an humble instrument .. ever ready to undertake even the most ' menial ' of tasks .. it is like the aeroplane being on Auto mode ...Relax , Relax yet Alert , Alert ( alertness required as the body-mind is used to the vasanas and dont disappear so easily ) ... Otherwise a state of non-doing , no-mind , no thinking .. JUST BEING .. they say in tamil SUMMA IRU.. Pranams ramesh --- On Sat, 4/4/09, alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 8:10 PM Dear Friends,In case anyone is puzzled by the last paragraphs- what Swami is speaking about is from the Absolute or Transcedental State of Ajata,as known in Samahdi.When he interacts with the world according to the body's destiny, he sees the world as a dream but with the difference that he perceives the substratum of all as Pure Absolute Consciousness. Members may like to comment.alan> > A Great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami> sent to one of members Barry Domegan from John Maynard- a resident at Ramanasramam.> > > Question: What are the different stages or> > levels of the mind that one passes through before realising> > the Self?> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts. The more easily> > you can be without thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct> > experience of the Self. To make the mind die you must> > deprive it of thoughts. The effortless thought-free state is> > the highest level of practice.> > > > There are no states or degrees of realization, there are> > only stages of spiritual practice. The final stage of> > sadhana is this effortless thought-free state. If this state> > can be maintained, then the "I" will sink into the> > Self and it will experience the bliss of the Self. These> > experiences are only temporary; the "I" will> > continue to reassert itself until the moment of realization.> > Realization can only happen in this effortless thought-free> > state, for it is only in this state that the Self can> > destroy the> > "I"-thought. The "I"-thought, which is> > the mind, must die completely before Self-Realization> > occurs.> > > > Question: How is one to make the mind die?> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never eliminate itself> > without the grace of the Self. The mind is afraid of its own> > death; it will not do anything to endanger its own> > existence. It is like the theif who poses as a policement in> > order to catch himself because he ultimately wants to> > escape. SImilarly with the mind. The mind will engage in> > sadhana, thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as soon as> > the mind starts to sink into the Heart, a great fear arises> > which prevents the mind from completely subsiding. This fear> > is part of the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you> > will never overcome it by effort alone. It is because of> > this that you need the grace of the Guru. When you> > concentrate on the name and form of the Guru, or try to be> > without thoughts, the grace of the Guru calms the mind and> > helps> > it to overcome the fear which would otherwise prevent it> > from completely subsiding.> > > > Question: Whyi s it necessary for the mind to die?> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there is no other> > way to realize the Self. Some people say that complete> > equanimity of mind is Self-Realization, but this is not> > true. Thius is only a stage one passes through on the way to> > Self-Realizaiton. Other people say that seeing the Self or> > God everywhere is Self-Realization, but this is not true> > either. To see the Self everywhere there must be an> > "I" who sees, and while that "I" exists> > the mind will also exist. The jnani does not see anything> > because the seeing entity in him has died. In the Self,> > there is no seeing, only being. When the mind still exists> > one can reach a stage where one can see the whole world as a> > manifestation of the Self, but when the mind dies, there is> > no one who sees and no world to be seen.> > > > If you have a mind then the earth, the> > sky, and the stars will exist, and you will be able to see> > them. When the mind dies there will be no earth, no sky, no> > stars, and no world. The world of objects, names, and forms> > is only the mind, and when the mind dies, the world dies> > with it. Only the Self then remains.> > > > Seeing everything as the Self gives the impression that the> > Self is equally distributed everywhere. This is also an idea> > in the mind. When the mind finally dies you realize that> > there is no distribution and no> > everywhere.> > > > > > So> > I go off now to be in the effortless thought fee state, with> > no desires for anything or> > nothing...> > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Dear Ramesh, Yes. I thought so too. Sri Lakshmana is still alive, but reclusive at Tiruvannamalai. His biography by David Godman- NO MIND I AM THE SELF is a good read. He gives public Darshan 4 times a year.He is on YOUTUBE. Love, Yours in Him, Alan --- On Sat, 4/4/09, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv Re: Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami Saturday, 4 April, 2009, 5:40 PM Dear Alan , Wonderful piece of inner wisdom ..the key here seems to effortlessness. . when there is complete trust , conviction and surrender .. any effort becomes redundant .. as the Supreme Grace takes over and we understand that our remnant role on this earth is that of an humble instrument .. ever ready to undertake even the most ' menial ' of tasks .. it is like the aeroplane being on Auto mode ....Relax , Relax yet Alert , Alert ( alertness required as the body-mind is used to the vasanas and dont disappear so easily ) ... Otherwise a state of non-doing , no-mind , no thinking .. JUST BEING .. they say in tamil SUMMA IRU.. Pranams ramesh --- On Sat, 4/4/09, alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk> wrote: alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk> Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami Saturday, April 4, 2009, 8:10 PM Dear Friends, In case anyone is puzzled by the last paragraphs- what Swami is speaking about is from the Absolute or Transcedental State of Ajata,as known in Samahdi. When he interacts with the world according to the body's destiny, he sees the world as a dream but with the difference that he perceives the substratum of all as Pure Absolute Consciousness. Members may like to comment. alan > > A Great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami > sent to one of members Barry Domegan from John Maynard- a resident at Ramanasramam. > > > Question: What are the different stages or > > levels of the mind that one passes through before realising > > the Self? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts. The more easily > > you can be without thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct > > experience of the Self. To make the mind die you must > > deprive it of thoughts. The effortless thought-free state is > > the highest level of practice. > > > > There are no states or degrees of realization, there are > > only stages of spiritual practice. The final stage of > > sadhana is this effortless thought-free state. If this state > > can be maintained, then the " I " will sink into the > > Self and it will experience the bliss of the Self. These > > experiences are only temporary; the " I " will > > continue to reassert itself until the moment of realization. > > Realization can only happen in this effortless thought-free > > state, for it is only in this state that the Self can > > destroy the > > " I " -thought. The " I " -thought, which is > > the mind, must die completely before Self-Realization > > occurs. > > > > Question: How is one to make the mind die? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never eliminate itself > > without the grace of the Self. The mind is afraid of its own > > death; it will not do anything to endanger its own > > existence. It is like the theif who poses as a policement in > > order to catch himself because he ultimately wants to > > escape. SImilarly with the mind. The mind will engage in > > sadhana, thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as soon as > > the mind starts to sink into the Heart, a great fear arises > > which prevents the mind from completely subsiding. This fear > > is part of the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you > > will never overcome it by effort alone. It is because of > > this that you need the grace of the Guru. When you > > concentrate on the name and form of the Guru, or try to be > > without thoughts, the grace of the Guru calms the mind and > > helps > > it to overcome the fear which would otherwise prevent it > > from completely subsiding. > > > > Question: Whyi s it necessary for the mind to die? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there is no other > > way to realize the Self. Some people say that complete > > equanimity of mind is Self-Realization, but this is not > > true. Thius is only a stage one passes through on the way to > > Self-Realizaiton. Other people say that seeing the Self or > > God everywhere is Self-Realization, but this is not true > > either. To see the Self everywhere there must be an > > " I " who sees, and while that " I " exists > > the mind will also exist. The jnani does not see anything > > because the seeing entity in him has died. In the Self, > > there is no seeing, only being. When the mind still exists > > one can reach a stage where one can see the whole world as a > > manifestation of the Self, but when the mind dies, there is > > no one who sees and no world to be seen. > > > > If you have a mind then the earth, the > > sky, and the stars will exist, and you will be able to see > > them. When the mind dies there will be no earth, no sky, no > > stars, and no world. The world of objects, names, and forms > > is only the mind, and when the mind dies, the world dies > > with it. Only the Self then remains. > > > > Seeing everything as the Self gives the impression that the > > Self is equally distributed everywhere. This is also an idea > > in the mind. When the mind finally dies you realize that > > there is no distribution and no > > everywhere. > > > > > > So > > I go off now to be in the effortless thought fee state, with > > no desires for anything or > > nothing... > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Dear Alan , Thanks for the information.. I would certainly plan to have his darshan .. I should as I stay in Chennai which is just 4 hrs from Tmalai... Thanks once again. Pranams ramesh --- On Sat, 4/4/09, alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobsRe: Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 10:26 PM Dear Ramesh, Yes. I thought so too. Sri Lakshmana is still alive, but reclusive at Tiruvannamalai. His biography by David Godman- NO MIND I AM THE SELF is a good read. He gives public Darshan 4 times a year.He is on YOUTUBE. Love,Yours in Him, Alan --- On Sat, 4/4/09, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > wrote:ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ >Re: Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana SwamiSaturday, 4 April, 2009, 5:40 PMDear Alan , Wonderful piece of inner wisdom ..the key here seems to effortlessness. . when there is complete trust , conviction and surrender .. any effort becomes redundant .. as the Supreme Grace takes over and we understand that our remnant role on this earth is that of an humble instrument .. ever ready to undertake even the most ' menial ' of tasks .. it is like the aeroplane being on Auto mode ...Relax , Relax yet Alert , Alert ( alertness required as the body-mind is used to the vasanas and dont disappear so easily ) ... Otherwise a state of non-doing , no-mind , no thinking .. JUST BEING .. they say in tamil SUMMA IRU.. Pranams ramesh--- On Sat, 4/4/09, alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk> wrote:alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk> Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana SwamiSaturday, April 4, 2009, 8:10 PMDear Friends,In case anyone is puzzled by the last paragraphs- what Swami is speaking about is from the Absolute or Transcedental State of Ajata,as known in Samahdi.When he interacts with the world according to the body's destiny, he sees the world as a dream but with the difference that he perceives the substratum of all as Pure Absolute Consciousness. Members may like to comment.alan> > A Great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami> sent to one of members Barry Domegan from John Maynard- a resident at Ramanasramam.> > > Question: What are the different stages or> > levels of the mind that one passes through before realising> > the Self?> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts. The more easily> > you can be without thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct> > experience of the Self. To make the mind die you must>> deprive it of thoughts. The effortless thought-free state is> > the highest level of practice.> > > > There are no states or degrees of realization, there are> > only stages of spiritual practice. The final stage of> > sadhana is this effortless thought-free state. If this state> > can be maintained, then the "I" will sink into the> > Self and it will experience the bliss of the Self. These> > experiences are only temporary; the "I" will> > continue to reassert itself until the moment of realization.> > Realization can only happen in this effortless thought-free> > state, for it is only in this state that the Self can> > destroy the> > "I"-thought. The "I"-thought, which is> > the mind, must die completely before Self-Realization> > occurs.> > > > Question: How is one to makethe mind die?> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never eliminate itself> > without the grace of the Self. The mind is afraid of its own> > death; it will not do anything to endanger its own> > existence. It is like the theif who poses as a policement in> > order to catch himself because he ultimately wants to> > escape. SImilarly with the mind. The mind will engage in> > sadhana, thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as soon as> > the mind starts to sink into the Heart, a great fear arises> > which prevents the mind from completely subsiding. This fear> > is part of the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you> > will never overcome it by effort alone. It is because of> > this that you need the grace of the Guru. When you> > concentrate on the name and form of the Guru, or try to be> > withoutthoughts, the grace of the Guru calms the mind and> > helps> > it to overcome the fear which would otherwise prevent it> > from completely subsiding.> > > > Question: Whyi s it necessary for the mind to die?> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there is no other> > way to realize the Self. Some people say that complete> > equanimity of mind is Self-Realization, but this is not> > true. Thius is only a stage one passes through on the way to> > Self-Realizaiton. Other people say that seeing the Self or> > God everywhere is Self-Realization, but this is not true> > either. To see the Self everywhere there must be an> > "I" who sees, and while that "I" exists> > the mind will also exist. The jnani does not see anything> > because the seeing entity in him has died. In the Self,>> there is no seeing, only being. When the mind still exists> > one can reach a stage where one can see the whole world as a> > manifestation of the Self, but when the mind dies, there is> > no one who sees and no world to be seen.> > > > If you have a mind then the earth, the> > sky, and the stars will exist, and you will be able to see> > them. When the mind dies there will be no earth, no sky, no> > stars, and no world. The world of objects, names, and forms> > is only the mind, and when the mind dies, the world dies> > with it. Only the Self then remains.> > > > Seeing everything as the Self gives the impression that the> > Self is equally distributed everywhere. This is also an idea> > in the mind. When the mind finally dies you realize that> > there is no distribution and no> >everywhere.> > > > > > So> > I go off now to be in the effortless thought fee state, with> > no desires for anything or> > nothing...> > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 ramesh chivukula wrote: Dear Alan , Wonderful piece of inner wisdom ..the key here seems to effortlessness.. when there is complete trust , conviction and surrender .. any effort becomes redundant .. as the Supreme Grace takes over and we understand that our remnant role on this earth is that of an humble instrument .. ever ready to undertake even the most ' menial ' of tasks .. it is like the aeroplane being on Auto mode ...Relax , Relax yet Alert , Alert ( alertness required as the body-mind is used to the vasanas and dont disappear so easily ) ... Otherwise a state of non-doing , no-mind , no thinking .. JUST BEING .. they say in tamil SUMMA IRU.. Pranams ramesh abandoning yourself corpse-like to the waters of ever running river of life, you appear as moving fast to those watching from the shore… but when you submit fully to the current and float effortlessly, merging with the flow - reposing whole in the present you do not move at all _()_ yosy --- On Sat, 4/4/09, alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Re: a great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami Saturday, April 4, 2009, 8:10 PM Dear Friends, In case anyone is puzzled by the last paragraphs- what Swami is speaking about is from the Absolute or Transcedental State of Ajata,as known in Samahdi. When he interacts with the world according to the body's destiny, he sees the world as a dream but with the difference that he perceives the substratum of all as Pure Absolute Consciousness. Members may like to comment. alan > > A Great quote from Sri Lakshmana Swami > sent to one of members Barry Domegan from John Maynard- a resident at Ramanasramam. > > > Question: What are the different stages or > > levels of the mind that one passes through before realising > > the Self? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts. The more easily > > you can be without thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct > > experience of the Self. To make the mind die you must > > deprive it of thoughts. The effortless thought-free state is > > the highest level of practice. > > > > There are no states or degrees of realization, there are > > only stages of spiritual practice. The final stage of > > sadhana is this effortless thought-free state. If this state > > can be maintained, then the "I" will sink into the > > Self and it will experience the bliss of the Self. These > > experiences are only temporary; the "I" will > > continue to reassert itself until the moment of realization. > > Realization can only happen in this effortless thought-free > > state, for it is only in this state that the Self can > > destroy the > > "I"-thought. The "I"-thought, which is > > the mind, must die completely before Self-Realization > > occurs. > > > > Question: How is one to make the mind die? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never eliminate itself > > without the grace of the Self. The mind is afraid of its own > > death; it will not do anything to endanger its own > > existence. It is like the theif who poses as a policement in > > order to catch himself because he ultimately wants to > > escape. SImilarly with the mind. The mind will engage in > > sadhana, thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as soon as > > the mind starts to sink into the Heart, a great fear arises > > which prevents the mind from completely subsiding. This fear > > is part of the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you > > will never overcome it by effort alone. It is because of > > this that you need the grace of the Guru. When you > > concentrate on the name and form of the Guru, or try to be > > without thoughts, the grace of the Guru calms the mind and > > helps > > it to overcome the fear which would otherwise prevent it > > from completely subsiding. > > > > Question: Whyi s it necessary for the mind to die? > > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there is no other > > way to realize the Self. Some people say that complete > > equanimity of mind is Self-Realization, but this is not > > true. Thius is only a stage one passes through on the way to > > Self-Realizaiton. Other people say that seeing the Self or > > God everywhere is Self-Realization, but this is not true > > either. To see the Self everywhere there must be an > > "I" who sees, and while that "I" exists > > the mind will also exist. The jnani does not see anything > > because the seeing entity in him has died. In the Self, > > there is no seeing, only being. When the mind still exists > > one can reach a stage where one can see the whole world as a > > manifestation of the Self, but when the mind dies, there is > > no one who sees and no world to be seen. > > > > If you have a mind then the earth, the > > sky, and the stars will exist, and you will be able to see > > them. When the mind dies there will be no earth, no sky, no > > stars, and no world. The world of objects, names, and forms > > is only the mind, and when the mind dies, the world dies > > with it. Only the Self then remains. > > > > Seeing everything as the Self gives the impression that the > > Self is equally distributed everywhere. This is also an idea > > in the mind. When the mind finally dies you realize that > > there is no distribution and no > > everywhere. > > > > > > So > > I go off now to be in the effortless thought fee state, with > > no desires for anything or > > nothing... > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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