Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 5.SOLITUDE 9o8 P.173 Of all the many qualities Desirable in an earnest seeker of imperishable moksha, none is more essential than Love for the bliss of solitude Note: By solitude Sri Bhagavan means freedom from all attachments. The seeker after moksha should rejoice in freedom from vasanas, thoughts, memories and expectations. Prof. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dr.Raju wrote: Importance of aloneness in Self-Enquiry. Dear all, We are all suffering from the consequences of false identity. The goal of Self-Enquiry is to be free from that false identity. We are identified with the body-mind,so we are identified with gender, body relations,property,things,race,nationality,profession,beliefs,dogmas, fame,ambition,craving for recgnition etc. That false identity is a substitute to the real and is useful in the world,where others are also identified in a similar way.But it has to be supported 24 hours a day because it is false.The crowd is essential for the false self to exist. So ego is always is in seach of the crowd.Even in the sphere of religion the ego wants to belong to the crowd of organised religions because it is a respectable centre for social gathering.Many spiritual centres are social clubs and gathering in such centres makes the false identity more consolidated. Accustomed to such circumstances of ego consolidation,the moment one is alone,one starts feeling from strange fear of being uprooted from the ego-existence,one feels lonely and crazy.So ego always wants to be engaged with the crowd or start doing something just to keep the false engaged. In Self-Enquiry one has to be alone,silent,waiting for the real to assert itself. So only courageous people who have the capacity to be alone can do the Self-Enquiry.Self-Enquiry is not a mental act,so thought has no place in Self-Enquiry.It is just silent relaxation with passive awareness into the inner being.Any mental act is an outcome of ego,thought. In this aloneness,you lose that which has to be lost and it is good to lose it soon,because the longer it stays,the stronger the ego becomes. Aloneness takes things from you which you dont really have. You are the " One " when false is gone and the fresh,innocent,unpolluted pure being that asserts itself in the place of ego.So Self-Enquiry is a destructive process because it destroys all that is false and out of that destruction there is the revelation of reality.When you are alone reality starts expressing itself.This is an existential answer to " Who am i " Self-Enquiry in aloneness.In aloneness you hold on to " Self " , thus the support to the false ego is withdrawn and the ego dies a natural death (Manonasa). Once you taste the bliss of " Self " in aloneness,the undercurrent of it prevails even when you are midst of crowd.Then you have arrived home. , alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > 5.SOLITUDE > > 9o8 > > P.173 > > Of all the many qualities > Desirable in an earnest seeker > of imperishable moksha, > none is more essential > than Love > for the bliss of solitude > > Note: By solitude Sri Bhagavan means freedom from all attachments. The seeker after moksha should rejoice in freedom from vasanas, thoughts, memories and expectations. Prof. S. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear Raju garu .. Well said.. Is it not but natural for the buffalo ( EGO ) to want to wallow in muddy waters (among the tamasic crowd where it finds comfort ).. The EGO is ever in danger of destruction hence cleverly looks for many ways to survive.. That is why , even though HIS GRACE is ever present and always being showered upon us , we need to be on our toes to keep the EGO at as much distance as practically possible and await its natural death... love ramesh --- On Sun, 5/3/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: drrajunsp <drrajunsp Re: From Muraganar's Garland of Guru's Sayings. Prof Swaminathan Translation cont'd Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:53 AM Dr.Raju wrote:Importance of aloneness in Self-Enquiry.Dear all,We are all suffering from the consequences of false identity.The goal of Self-Enquiry is to be free from that false identity.We are identified with the body-mind,so we are identified with gender,body relations,property, things,race, nationality, profession, beliefs,dogmas, fame,ambition, craving for recgnition etc.That false identity is a substitute to the real and is useful in the world,whereothers are also identified in a similar way.But it has to be supported 24 hoursa day because it is false.The crowd is essential for the false self to exist.So ego is always is in seach of the crowd.Even in the sphere of religion theego wants to belong to the crowd of organised religions because it is a respectable centre for social gathering.Many spiritual centres are social clubsand gathering in such centres makes the false identity more consolidated.Accustomed to such circumstances of ego consolidation, the moment one isalone,one starts feeling from strange fear of being uprooted from the ego-existence, one feels lonely and crazy.So ego always wants to beengaged with the crowd or start doing something just to keep the falseengaged.In Self-Enquiry one has to be alone,silent, waiting for the real to assert itself.So only courageous people who have the capacity to be alone can do theSelf-Enquiry. Self-Enquiry is not a mental act,so thought has no place inSelf-Enquiry. It is just silent relaxation with passive awareness into the innerbeing.Any mental act is an outcome of ego,thought.In this aloneness,you lose that which has to be lost and it is good to lose itsoon,because the longer it stays,the stronger the ego becomes.Aloneness takes things from you which you dont really have.You are the "One" when false is gone and the fresh,innocent, unpollutedpure being that asserts itself in the place of ego.So Self-Enquiry is adestructive process because it destroys all that is false and out of thatdestruction there is the revelation of reality.When you are alone reality startsexpressing itself.This is an existential answer to "Who am i" Self-Enquiry inaloneness.In aloneness you hold on to "Self", thus the support to the false ego is withdrawn and the ego dies a natural death (Manonasa).Once you taste the bliss of "Self" in aloneness,the undercurrent of it prevailseven when you are midst of crowd.Then you have arrived home.@ . com, alanadamsjacobs@ ... wrote:>> > 5.SOLITUDE> > 9o8> > P.173> > Of all the many qualities> Desirable in an earnest seeker> of imperishable moksha,> none is more essential> than Love> for the bliss of solitude> > Note: By solitude Sri Bhagavan means freedom from all attachments. The seeker after moksha should rejoice in freedom from vasanas, thoughts, memories and expectations. Prof. S.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear friends and what is in your practical experience the BEST way to tame this buffalo??? in GD michael - ramesh chivukula Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:46 AM Re: Re: From Muraganar's Garland of Guru's Sayings. Prof Swaminathan Translation cont'd Dear Raju garu .. Well said.. Is it not but natural for the buffalo ( EGO ) to want to wallow in muddy waters (among the tamasic crowd where it finds comfort ).. The EGO is ever in danger of destruction hence cleverly looks for many ways to survive.. That is why , even though HIS GRACE is ever present and always being showered upon us , we need to be on our toes to keep the EGO at as much distance as practically possible and await its natural death... love ramesh --- On Sun, 5/3/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: drrajunsp <drrajunsp (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: From Muraganar's Garland of Guru's Sayings. Prof Swaminathan Translation cont'd Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:53 AM Dr.Raju wrote:Importance of aloneness in Self-Enquiry.Dear all,We are all suffering from the consequences of false identity.The goal of Self-Enquiry is to be free from that false identity.We are identified with the body-mind,so we are identified with gender,body relations,property, things,race, nationality, profession, beliefs,dogmas, fame,ambition, craving for recgnition etc.That false identity is a substitute to the real and is useful in the world,whereothers are also identified in a similar way.But it has to be supported 24 hoursa day because it is false.The crowd is essential for the false self to exist.So ego is always is in seach of the crowd.Even in the sphere of religion theego wants to belong to the crowd of organised religions because it is a respectable centre for social gathering.Many spiritual centres are social clubsand gathering in such centres makes the false identity more consolidated.Accustomed to such circumstances of ego consolidation, the moment one isalone,one starts feeling from strange fear of being uprooted from the ego-existence, one feels lonely and crazy.So ego always wants to beengaged with the crowd or start doing something just to keep the falseengaged.In Self-Enquiry one has to be alone,silent, waiting for the real to assert itself.So only courageous people who have the capacity to be alone can do theSelf-Enquiry. Self-Enquiry is not a mental act,so thought has no place inSelf-Enquiry. It is just silent relaxation with passive awareness into the innerbeing.Any mental act is an outcome of ego,thought.In this aloneness,you lose that which has to be lost and it is good to lose itsoon,because the longer it stays,the stronger the ego becomes.Aloneness takes things from you which you dont really have.You are the "One" when false is gone and the fresh,innocent, unpollutedpure being that asserts itself in the place of ego.So Self-Enquiry is adestructive process because it destroys all that is false and out of thatdestruction there is the revelation of reality.When you are alone reality startsexpressing itself.This is an existential answer to "Who am i" Self-Enquiry inaloneness.In aloneness you hold on to "Self", thus the support to the false ego is withdrawn and the ego dies a natural death (Manonasa).Once you taste the bliss of "Self" in aloneness,the undercurrent of it prevailseven when you are midst of crowd.Then you have arrived home., alanadamsjacobs@ ... wrote:>> > 5.SOLITUDE> > 9o8> > P.173> > Of all the many qualities> Desirable in an earnest seeker> of imperishable moksha,> none is more essential> than Love> for the bliss of solitude> > Note: By solitude Sri Bhagavan means freedom from all attachments. The seeker after moksha should rejoice in freedom from vasanas, thoughts, memories and expectations. Prof. S.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.15/2093 - Release 05/02/09 14:23:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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