Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear Prasanth, Are you here only to promote your blog? There are many mature devotees of Sri Bhagavan on this list. Please keep in mind. Love to all Harsha On Behalf Of Prasanth Jalasutram Monday, May 11, 2009 8:23 AM Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is not a knowledge to be acquired Question - Not having realised the Truth that the Self alone exists, should I not adopt bhakti and yoga margas as being more suitable for purposes of sadhana than vichara marga? Is not the Realization of one’s Absolute Being that is, Brahma jnana, something quite unattainable to a layman like me? Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is not a knowledge to be acquired, so that acquiring it one may obtain happiness. It is one’s ignorant outlook that one should give up. The Self you seek to know is verily yourself. Your supposed ignorance causes you needless grief like that of the ten foolish men who grieved the ‘loss’ of the tenth man who was never lost. The Ten Foolish men in the parable forded a stream and on reaching the other shore wanted to make sure that all of them had in fact safely crossed the stream. One of the ten began to count, but while counting others left himself out. “I see only nine; sure enough we have lost one. Who can it be?” he said. “Did you count correctly?” asked another, and did the counting himself. But he too counted only nine. One after the other each of the ten counted only nine, missing himself. “We are only nine” they all agreed, “but who is the missing one?”, they asked themselves. Every effort they made to discover the ‘missing’ individual failed. “Whoever he be that is drowned” said the sentimental of ten fools, “we have lost him”. So saying he burst into tears, and the rest of the nine followed suit. Seeing them weeping on the river bank, a sympathetic wayfarer enquired for the cause. They related what had happened and said that even after counting themselves several times they could find no more than nine. On hearing the story, but seeing all the ten before him, the wayfarer guessed what had happened. In order to make them know for themselves that they were really ten, that all of them had come safe from the crossing, he told them, “Let each of you count for himself but one after the other serially, one, two, three and so on, while I shall give you each a blow so that all of you may be sure of having been included in the count, and included only once. The tenth ‘missing’ man will then be found.” Hearing this they rejoiced at the prospect of finding their ‘lost’ comrade and accepted the method suggested by the wayfarer. While the kind wayfarer gave a blow to each of the ten in turn, he that got the blow counted himself aloud. “Ten” said the last man as he got the last blow in his turn. Bewildered they looked at one another, “We are ten” they said with one voice and thanked the wayfarer for having removed their grief. That is the parable. From where was the tenth man brought in? Was he ever lost? By knowing that he had been there all the while, did they learn anything new? The cause of their grief was not the real loss of any one of the ten, it was their own ignorance, rather their mere supposition that one of them was lost – though they could not find who he was – because they counted only nine. http://prashantaboutindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/ramana-maharshi-brahma-jnana-is-not.html -- Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Prashant Jalasutram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Harsha,Sorry for this. That was not my intension at all.I will try to send articles without giving any reference to my blog in future.Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Prashant JalasutramOn Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Harsha wrote: Dear Prasanth, Are you here only to promote your blog? There are many mature devotees of Sri Bhagavan on this list. Please keep in mind. Love to all Harsha On Behalf Of Prasanth Jalasutram Monday, May 11, 2009 8:23 AM Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is not a knowledge to be acquired Question - Not having realised the Truth that the Self alone exists, should I not adopt bhakti and yoga margas as being more suitable for purposes of sadhana than vichara marga? Is not the Realization of one’s Absolute Being that is, Brahma jnana, something quite unattainable to a layman like me? Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is not a knowledge to be acquired, so that acquiring it one may obtain happiness. It is one’s ignorant outlook that one should give up. The Self you seek to know is verily yourself. Your supposed ignorance causes you needless grief like that of the ten foolish men who grieved the ‘loss’ of the tenth man who was never lost. The Ten Foolish men in the parable forded a stream and on reaching the other shore wanted to make sure that all of them had in fact safely crossed the stream. One of the ten began to count, but while counting others left himself out. “I see only nine; sure enough we have lost one. Who can it be?” he said. “Did you count correctly?” asked another, and did the counting himself. But he too counted only nine. One after the other each of the ten counted only nine, missing himself. “We are only nine” they all agreed, “but who is the missing one?”, they asked themselves. Every effort they made to discover the ‘missing’ individual failed. “Whoever he be that is drowned” said the sentimental of ten fools, “we have lost him”. So saying he burst into tears, and the rest of the nine followed suit. Seeing them weeping on the river bank, a sympathetic wayfarer enquired for the cause. They related what had happened and said that even after counting themselves several times they could find no more than nine. On hearing the story, but seeing all the ten before him, the wayfarer guessed what had happened. In order to make them know for themselves that they were really ten, that all of them had come safe from the crossing, he told them, “Let each of you count for himself but one after the other serially, one, two, three and so on, while I shall give you each a blow so that all of you may be sure of having been included in the count, and included only once. The tenth ‘missing’ man will then be found.” Hearing this they rejoiced at the prospect of finding their ‘lost’ comrade and accepted the method suggested by the wayfarer. While the kind wayfarer gave a blow to each of the ten in turn, he that got the blow counted himself aloud. “Ten” said the last man as he got the last blow in his turn. Bewildered they looked at one another, “We are ten” they said with one voice and thanked the wayfarer for having removed their grief. That is the parable. From where was the tenth man brought in? Was he ever lost? By knowing that he had been there all the while, did they learn anything new? The cause of their grief was not the real loss of any one of the ten, it was their own ignorance, rather their mere supposition that one of them was lost – though they could not find who he was – because they counted only nine. http://prashantaboutindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/ramana-maharshi-brahma-jnana-is-not.html -- Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Prashant Jalasutram -- Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrashant Jalasutram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Dear Harsha, Aren't you doing the same thing in " advaitin " list? That list consists of great sages, much more mature than you. I think it is high time that you take stock of your ego. Om Tat Sat , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Prasanth, > > > > Are you here only to promote your blog? There are many mature devotees of > Sri Bhagavan on this list. Please keep in mind. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > > On Behalf Of Prasanth Jalasutram > Monday, May 11, 2009 8:23 AM > Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is > not a knowledge to be acquired > > > > > > Question - Not having realised the Truth that the Self alone exists, should > I not adopt bhakti and yoga margas as being more suitable for purposes of > sadhana than vichara marga? Is not the Realization of one's Absolute Being > that is, Brahma jnana, something quite unattainable to a layman like me? > > Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is not a knowledge to be acquired, so that > acquiring it one may obtain happiness. It is one's ignorant outlook that one > should give up. The Self you seek to know is verily yourself. Your supposed > ignorance causes you needless grief like that of the ten foolish men who > grieved the 'loss' of the tenth man who was never lost. > > The Ten Foolish men in the parable forded a stream and on reaching the other > shore wanted to make sure that all of them had in fact safely crossed the > stream. One of the ten began to count, but while counting others left > himself out. " I see only nine; sure enough we have lost one. Who can it be? " > he said. > > " Did you count correctly? " asked another, and did the counting himself. But > he too counted only nine. One after the other each of the ten counted only > nine, missing himself. " We are only nine " they all agreed, " but who is the > missing one? " , they asked themselves. Every effort they made to discover the > 'missing' individual failed. " Whoever he be that is drowned " said the > sentimental of ten fools, " we have lost him " . So saying he burst into tears, > and the rest of the nine followed suit. > > Seeing them weeping on the river bank, a sympathetic wayfarer enquired for > the cause. They related what had happened and said that even after counting > themselves several times they could find no more than nine. On hearing the > story, but seeing all the ten before him, the wayfarer guessed what had > happened. > > In order to make them know for themselves that they were really ten, that > all of them had come safe from the crossing, he told them, " Let each of you > count for himself but one after the other serially, one, two, three and so > on, while I shall give you each a blow so that all of you may be sure of > having been included in the count, and included only once. The tenth > 'missing' man will > then be found. " Hearing this they rejoiced at the prospect of finding their > 'lost' comrade and accepted the method suggested by the wayfarer. > > While the kind wayfarer gave a blow to each of the ten in turn, he that got > the blow counted himself aloud. " Ten " said the last man as he got the last > blow in his turn. Bewildered they looked at one another, " We are ten " they > said with one voice and thanked the wayfarer for having removed their grief. > That is the parable. From where was the tenth man brought in? > > Was he ever lost? By knowing that he had been there all the while, did they > learn anything new? The cause of their grief was not the real loss of any > one of the ten, it was their own ignorance, rather their mere supposition > that one of them was lost - though they could not find who he was - because > they counted only nine. > > http://prashantaboutindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/ramana-maharshi-brahma-jnana- > is-not.html > -- > Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya > Prashant Jalasutram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Dear Rajesh, Prasanth is off moderation now. You need to relax a bit. People were sometimes asked to leave Ramanashram when they did not obey the rules. I have not had much time lately to check the list and leave it to the very able devotees to self-manage. We are fairly flexible in terms of what we allow here. Alan-ji is currently the active moderator. Peter and Gabriele also have moderating abilities. You are right that the Advaitin list has many great sages indeed who are spiritually very mature indeed. We share the same respect for them. Thanks for your other wonderful suggestions! :-). Namaste and love Yours in Bhagavan Harsha , " Rajesh " <gabbardaaku wrote: > > Dear Harsha, > Aren't you doing the same thing in " advaitin " list? > That list consists of great sages, much more mature than you. > I think it is high time that you take stock of your ego. > Om Tat Sat > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prasanth, > > > > > > > > Are you here only to promote your blog? There are many mature devotees of > > Sri Bhagavan on this list. Please keep in mind. > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Prasanth Jalasutram > > Monday, May 11, 2009 8:23 AM > > Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is > > not a knowledge to be acquired > > > > > > > > > > > > Question - Not having realised the Truth that the Self alone exists, should > > I not adopt bhakti and yoga margas as being more suitable for purposes of > > sadhana than vichara marga? Is not the Realization of one's Absolute Being > > that is, Brahma jnana, something quite unattainable to a layman like me? > > > > Ramana Maharshi - Brahma jnana is not a knowledge to be acquired, so that > > acquiring it one may obtain happiness. It is one's ignorant outlook that one > > should give up. The Self you seek to know is verily yourself. Your supposed > > ignorance causes you needless grief like that of the ten foolish men who > > grieved the 'loss' of the tenth man who was never lost. > > > > The Ten Foolish men in the parable forded a stream and on reaching the other > > shore wanted to make sure that all of them had in fact safely crossed the > > stream. One of the ten began to count, but while counting others left > > himself out. " I see only nine; sure enough we have lost one. Who can it be? " > > he said. > > > > " Did you count correctly? " asked another, and did the counting himself. But > > he too counted only nine. One after the other each of the ten counted only > > nine, missing himself. " We are only nine " they all agreed, " but who is the > > missing one? " , they asked themselves. Every effort they made to discover the > > 'missing' individual failed. " Whoever he be that is drowned " said the > > sentimental of ten fools, " we have lost him " . So saying he burst into tears, > > and the rest of the nine followed suit. > > > > Seeing them weeping on the river bank, a sympathetic wayfarer enquired for > > the cause. They related what had happened and said that even after counting > > themselves several times they could find no more than nine. On hearing the > > story, but seeing all the ten before him, the wayfarer guessed what had > > happened. > > > > In order to make them know for themselves that they were really ten, that > > all of them had come safe from the crossing, he told them, " Let each of you > > count for himself but one after the other serially, one, two, three and so > > on, while I shall give you each a blow so that all of you may be sure of > > having been included in the count, and included only once. The tenth > > 'missing' man will > > then be found. " Hearing this they rejoiced at the prospect of finding their > > 'lost' comrade and accepted the method suggested by the wayfarer. > > > > While the kind wayfarer gave a blow to each of the ten in turn, he that got > > the blow counted himself aloud. " Ten " said the last man as he got the last > > blow in his turn. Bewildered they looked at one another, " We are ten " they > > said with one voice and thanked the wayfarer for having removed their grief. > > That is the parable. From where was the tenth man brought in? > > > > Was he ever lost? By knowing that he had been there all the while, did they > > learn anything new? The cause of their grief was not the real loss of any > > one of the ten, it was their own ignorance, rather their mere supposition > > that one of them was lost - though they could not find who he was - because > > they counted only nine. > > > > http://prashantaboutindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/ramana-maharshi-brahma-jnana- > > is-not.html > > -- > > Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya > > Prashant Jalasutram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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