Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Hello everyone. Please help me to understand..... If God is not touched by activity, how is it that He controls the fate or destiny of souls in this world of illusion & karmic law? With the necessary needs of the body(food, excretion, breath, sleep etc)is it possible for one to 'FULLY' cut out the ego whilst still in the fleshy frame? The personal will/conciousness must surely be in operation for some of these actions to be performed. As it was evident that at rare times, Jesus still had a sense of the 'personal 'I' even after the 40days-nights of his being tempted by Satan(illusion). Does Sri Ramana give discourse on this & are there occasions where he let his personal 'I' play out? In Love Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Only as one awakes from the illusion role of dream as Brahman is he/she said to realize that " there is only Brahman " and he/she is THAT. Thus the clarity- Brahman is, in a Divine Play proxy sort of way, the unreality of superimposition as well as the Reality of Substratum. There is only Brahman. Hence, in actuality there is no one realizing anything just a lot of harmless adventure going on in the Realm of the Real. There is not one who desires to know and another who knows- there is but the One Cosmic Knower-even Brahman and thou art THAT. There is Only THAT. And therefore, there is naught but Brahman to control unto Perfection every detail of Brahman's Drama Divine. Besides THIS there is only the appearance of ignorance or things other than Brahman within the Play of opposing opposites. But Really, there is Only Brahman in expression as All that is- in Play as well as the Reality beyond. THIS, You, my Friend well know, for there is Only Brahman and Thou art THAT. The Only Love, Crys , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > > Hello everyone. > > Please help me to understand..... > If God is not touched by activity, how is it that He controls the fate or destiny of souls in this world of illusion & karmic law? > > With the necessary needs of the body(food, excretion, breath, sleep etc)is it possible for one to 'FULLY' cut out the ego whilst still in the fleshy frame? The personal will/conciousness must surely be in operation for some of these actions to be performed. As it was evident that at rare times, Jesus still had a sense of the 'personal 'I' even after the 40days-nights of his being tempted by Satan(illusion). Does Sri Ramana give discourse on this & are there occasions where he let his personal 'I' play out? > > In Love > > Max > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 another old one... Identity dream Dear friend Futilely you believe " I am that " or " This is me " … Abandon the empty dreams of identity Give up all beliefs & thoughts, Ideas " I am he " or " she " … Watch and see: In truth you are not. So Just let yourself Be! yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Dear Max, I did reply earlier- but here it is again. Yours in Bhagavan, Alan --- On Thu, 14/5/09, alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs > Dream > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 3:44 AM > > > Dear Max, > > Thanks for your interesting question. As I see it , but > others may also add their view; > Isvara, who is the active adjunct of Brahman controls the > destiny of souls. Brahman is untouched by activity, but > Isvara can intervene. Intead of using the umbrella term God, > it is better to think of Brahman as the Godhead and Isvara > as Almighty God, in western terms.. > > As far as bodily functions are concerned these continue in > much the same way before and after Self Realisation. > > If through intense and persistent Self Enquiry and > Surrender, Grace acts and the granthi knot is severed > leading to Self Realisation, the body's preordained karma > continues without the Jnani being identified with it in any > way whatsoever.The false sense of a personal I has vanished > like the Moon at mid-day, as Bhagavan put it. or it > is harmless like a burned out rope. After death he will > not return to the plane of samsara or our waking dream. > > Please ask more if it is not altogether clear. > > All best wishes and warm regards, in your quest, > > Alan > > Hello everyone. > > Please help me to understand.. ... > If God is not touched by activity, how is it that He > controls the fate or destiny of souls in this world of > illusion & karmic law? > > With the necessary needs of the body(food, excretion, > breath, sleep etc)is it possible for one to 'FULLY' cut out > the ego whilst still in the fleshy frame? The personal > will/conciousness must surely be in operation for some of > these actions to be performed. As it was evident that at > rare times, Jesus still had a sense of the 'personal 'I' > even after the 40days-nights of his being tempted by > Satan(illusion) . Does Sri Ramana give discourse on this > & are there occasions where he let his personal 'I' play > out? > > In Love > > Max > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > Dear Max, > > I did reply earlier- but here it is again. Yours in Bhagavan, Alan > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > alanadamsjacobs <alanadamsjacobs > > Dream > > > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 3:44 AM > > > > > > Dear Max, > > > > Thanks for your interesting question. As I see it , but > > others may also add their view; > > Isvara, who is the active adjunct of Brahman controls the > > destiny of souls. Brahman is untouched by activity, but > > Isvara can intervene. Intead of using the umbrella term God, > > it is better to think of Brahman as the Godhead and Isvara > > as Almighty God, in western terms.. > > > > As far as bodily functions are concerned these continue in > > much the same way before and after Self Realisation. > > > > If through intense and persistent Self Enquiry and > > Surrender, Grace acts and the granthi knot is severed > > leading to Self Realisation, the body's preordained karma > > continues without the Jnani being identified with it in any > > way whatsoever.The false sense of a personal I has vanished > > like the Moon at mid-day, as Bhagavan put it. or it > > is harmless like a burned out rope. After death he will > > not return to the plane of samsara or our waking dream. > > > > Please ask more if it is not altogether clear. > > > > All best wishes and warm regards, in your quest, > > > > Alan > > ****************** Thank you all for your help. Alan, I understand your manner of speech, very patient & attractive. It helps & makes one(a seeker) more eager to push on. Praise the Lord. I now just have to get used to the Hindu terminology, other than that the reply is most helpful. I will take it with me in the day & let it marinate until it clicks! Then, should I have any further Q's, I will post. Thanks again peace Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Dear Max, I appreciate your reply. In regards to anything we can do to assist your enquiry, you can be sure that I and other members of will be only to happy to help. All very best wishes, Alan --- On Thu, 14/5/09, maxamehc <maxamehc wrote: maxamehc <maxamehc Re: Dream Date: Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 6:26 AM , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Max,> > I did reply earlier- but here it is again. Yours in Bhagavan, Alan > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> > > alanadamsjacobs@ ... <alanadamsjacobs@ ...>> > Dream> > > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 3:44 AM> > > > > > Dear Max,> > > > Thanks for your interesting question. As I see it , but> > others may also add their view; > > Isvara, who is the active adjunct of Brahman controls the> > destiny of souls. Brahman is untouched by activity, but> > Isvara can intervene. Intead of using the umbrella term God,> > it is better to think of Brahman as the Godhead and Isvara> > as Almighty God, in western terms..> > > > As far as bodily functions are concerned these continue in> > much the same way before and after Self Realisation.> > > > If through intense and persistent Self Enquiry and> > Surrender, Grace acts and the granthi knot is severed> > leading to Self Realisation, the body's preordained karma> > continues without the Jnani being identified with it in any> > way whatsoever.The false sense of a personal I has vanished> > like the Moon at mid-day, as Bhagavan put it. or it> > is harmless like a burned out rope. After death he will> > not return to the plane of samsara or our waking dream.> > > > Please ask more if it is not altogether clear.> > > > All best wishes and warm regards, in your quest,> > > > Alan > > ************ ******Thank you all for your help.Alan, I understand your manner of speech, very patient & attractive. It helps & makes one(a seeker) more eager to push on. Praise the Lord.I now just have to get used to the Hindu terminology, other than that the reply is most helpful. I will take it with me in the day & let it marinate until it clicks! Then, should I have any further Q's, I will post. Thanks againpeaceMax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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