Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Dear Max, Thanks for your interesting question. As I see it , but others may also add their view; Isvara, who is the active adjunct of Brahman controls the destiny of souls. Brahman is untouched by activity, but Isvara can intervene. Intead of using the umbrella term God, it is better to think of Brahman as the Godhead and Isvara as Almighty God, in western terms.. As far as bodily functions are concerned these continue in much the same way before and after Self Realisation. If through intense and persistent Self Enquiry and Surrender, Grace acts and the granthi knot is severed leading to Self Realisation, the body's preordained karma continues without the Jnani being identified with it in any way whatsoever.The false sense of a personal I has vanished like the Moon at mid-day, as Bhagavan put it. or it is harmless like a burned out rope. After death he will not return to the plane of samsara or our waking dream. Please ask more if it is not altogether clear. All best wishes and warm regards, in your quest, Alan Hello everyone. Please help me to understand.. ... If God is not touched by activity, how is it that He controls the fate or destiny of souls in this world of illusion & karmic law? With the necessary needs of the body(food, excretion, breath, sleep etc)is it possible for one to 'FULLY' cut out the ego whilst still in the fleshy frame? The personal will/conciousness must surely be in operation for some of these actions to be performed. As it was evident that at rare times, Jesus still had a sense of the 'personal 'I' even after the 40days-nights of his being tempted by Satan(illusion) . Does Sri Ramana give discourse on this & are there occasions where he let his personal 'I' play out? In Love Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > > Hello everyone. > > Please help me to understand..... > If God is not touched by activity, how is it that He controls the fate or destiny of souls in this world of illusion & karmic law? > > With the necessary needs of the body(food, excretion, breath, sleep etc)is it possible for one to 'FULLY' cut out the ego whilst still in the fleshy frame? The personal will/conciousness must surely be in operation for some of these actions to be performed. As it was evident that at rare times, Jesus still had a sense of the 'personal 'I' even after the 40days-nights of his being tempted by Satan(illusion). Does Sri Ramana give discourse on this & are there occasions where he let his personal 'I' play out? > > In Love > > Max > Max, It is as if there are two languages when an attempt at communication is made from one who has directly experienced the " I-I " (Self-Realization) and one who aspires, or has questions. The linear process of the intellect cannot understand how the body/mind can function as before once the personal " I " has dissolved. It is a seeming paradox. The problem is in the imprecise use of language that is necessarily dualistic. From the realized perspective, there is a primary or absolute reality that entirely trumps the relative reality of personal experience. I like the use of " primary reality " - which when realized views the material world and linear thought process as 'secondary reality'. It is a startling (and delightfully freeing) discovery. Even though we may say that the material life is illusion or maya, and that the personal sense of being has disappeared, life goes on...but not as usual. It is as if, when Self-realized, an automatic pilot switch comes on, and life is viewed as if witnessed from an entirely non-attached view - in the sense that there is complete acceptance of all that happens circumstantially as 'perfect'. There is no more wrestling with material reality, because it is seen as utterly unimportant from the absolute reality perspective. Yet, we can enjoy, even blissfully, the events. It's just that we don't emotionally attach to outcomes - other than from the perspective that all is well, and whatever happens is perfect. Self-realization is what Jesus referred to when he said, " You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. " The freedom is from the emotional roller coaster we experience in relative (or secondary) reality, and freedom from any emotional manipulation from other people or 'outside' events. I'll stop here. Hope this helps. Love, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The only source I have for this is in a cached page Excerpt from 'Conscious Immortality'- Conversations with Ramana " A jnani crushes the ego at its source. It rises up again and again, for him too as for the ignorant, impelled by nature, ie,parabdha. Both in the ignorant and in the jnani , ego sprouts, but with this difference: the former's ego is quite ignorant of it's source, and is not aware of it's deep sleep in the dream and waking states. On the other hand, when the jnani's ego rises, he enjoys his transcendental experience with his ego, keeping his focus always on it's source. His ego is not dangerous- it is only the ash-skeleton of a burnt rope: although it possesses a form it is ineffective. By constantly keeping our focus on our source, our ego is dissolved. " Alan > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: > På vegne av maxamehc > Sendt: 13. mai 2009 02:27 > Til: > Emne: Dream > > > Hello everyone. > > Please help me to understand..... > If God is not touched by activity, how is it that He controls the fate or > destiny of souls in this world of illusion & karmic law? > > With the necessary needs of the body(food, excretion, breath, sleep etc)is > it possible for one to 'FULLY' cut out the ego whilst still in the fleshy > frame? The personal will/conciousness must surely be in operation for some > of these actions to be performed. As it was evident that at rare times, > Jesus still had a sense of the 'personal 'I' even after the 40days-nights > of his being tempted by Satan(illusion). Does Sri Ramana give discourse on > this & are there occasions where he let his personal 'I' play out? > > > In Love > > Max > > > > --- > > is supported by . New articles are added > there on a continuous basis. Please register at . You > will be kept updated and get the new articles which are posted on the site > very nicely formatted in your e-mail. > > Friends, after registering at , if you wish to > contribute your writing to the site, please let me know. Your articles > should be original, well written, using subtitles, and be carefully > proofread and polished. For a list of topics considered, please go to > and take a look at the site. Thanks. > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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