Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to cheat ourselves in the name of service of the world

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Thanks Micheal Sir.I do agree that we cheat ourselves if we go to teach the world without ourselves realizing our own self.With god's grace once i go back to india i see that i try to follow in practice what ever knowledge i gathered now. 

Hoping our Bhagavan's grace and blessings are with each one of us and guide us properly.Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasanth

 

this message is indeed a real sign-post how to walk the way back home.....

for all seekers who really want to live this eternal TRUTH this  IS a way to follow - and as side-effect

achieving lasting peace

 

my words are written out of my experience

 

may real LOVE shine on and in yourself

 

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

 

Monday, June 08, 2009 10:50 AM

Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to teach ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

 

 

After Bhagavan Sri Ramana cast off His mortal body in 1950, many of His devotees from both India and abroad gradually came to recognizeSri Sadhu Om Swamigal, not only as one of the foremost disciples of Sri Bhagavan, but also as a person endowed with a rare gift to elucidate His teachings in a clear and simple manner which could easily be understood and followed in practice by all seekers of true knowledge.

 

Though some of Sri Swamigal’s writings in both prose and poetry were published during his lifetime, and though many more have been published in Tamil after he shed his physical body in March 1985, his attitude towards the publication of his writings was quite different from the attitude of many other writers of spiritual or philosophical books, who of their own accord seek to share their knowledge with the world by writing and publishing books.‘We should not open the door unless it is knocked’ was the principle underlying all his acts. Unless he was questioned with sincere earnestness, he would not speak or write anything about spiritual matters. Rising and going outwards to teach the world, getting on platforms to deliver lectures, seeking to enlighten the world by writing voluminous books, founding institutions, propagating religious doctrines by publishing magazines – all such activities he used strictly to avoid. And in doing so, he was but following the path lived and exemplified by Bhagavan Sri Ramana.Sri Swamigal often used to say, “We should not run after the world; we should not look outwards at the world,we should look inwards at Self. Those sannyasis who run after the world achieve neither the world nor Self (God). If we try to chase after our shadow, we will never catch it; but if we go towards the sun, our shadow will automatically come running behind us. Those sannyasis who are always attending to the world with the aim of teaching the world became spoilt in the end. . . No Sage (jnani) who ever came on earth was the product of an ashramam, math or any such institution. Each one of them stood alone and realized the Truth by himself. There is no rule that a man can attain true knowledge (jnana) only by becoming an inmate of a religious institution. Therefore, in the name of service to the world, let no one cheat himself and retard his spiritual progress by forming foundations and associations and by preaching, shouting slogans and running magazines”.An invitation once came to Sri Swamigal from an earnest seeker in U.S.A., “Will you not come to the West and guide us?” His attitude is shown clearly in his reply,which ran as follows: “. . .It is therefore unnecessary for the Reality to run after the world. Moreover, according to the great truth discovered and revealed by Sri Ramana Bhagavan, a good person leading a simple yet highly spiritual life and passing away unknown to the world does far greater good to the world than all the political and social reformers and all the platform-heroes of philosophy. A truly enlightened life will surely help earnest seekers even though they may be living in a remote corner of the world and even without any physical contact, communications, magazines or writings. This is Sri Ramana Bhagavan’s method of teaching the world through speech-transcending Mystic Silence, the greatest Power. Is it not up to us to follow the footsteps of our Guru, Sri Ramana’?… So why should I think of going anywhere? As He who has guided me to His home is the Father, Lord and inmost Self of one and all, does He not know best how to guide home earnest seekers,wherever they may be?Why then should an ego rise with the thought ‘I should guide people’? If such an ‘I’ were to rise, would it not be a self-conceited attempt to belittle the Grace of Sri Ramana, the one reality? Therefore, the thought of going to the West or the East, or here, there or anywhere else, has never occurred to me and will never occur to me!”Source: The Path of Sri Ramana PART ONE The Jñana aspect of the teaching By Sri Sadhu Om

 

 

-- Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

 

 

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Dear Prasanth

 

your reply is very welcome indeed

 

you do not have to wait till you are "back in india"

as our beloved Sadguru Sri Ramana stated so many times

 

wherever you are is the right please for you

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

Monday, June 08, 2009 12:04 PM

Re: Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to cheat ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

Thanks Micheal Sir.

 

I do agree that we cheat ourselves if we go to teach the world without ourselves realizing our own self.

 

With god's grace once i go back to india i see that i try to follow in practice what ever knowledge i gathered now.

 

Hoping our Bhagavan's grace and blessings are with each one of us and guide us properly.

 

Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasanth

 

this message is indeed a real sign-post how to walk the way back home.....

for all seekers who really want to live this eternal TRUTH this IS a way to follow - and as side-effect

achieving lasting peace

 

my words are written out of my experience

 

may real LOVE shine on and in yourself

 

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

 

Monday, June 08, 2009 10:50 AM

Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to teach ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

 

 

After Bhagavan Sri Ramana cast off His mortal body in 1950, many of His devotees from both India and abroad gradually came to recognizeSri Sadhu Om Swamigal, not only as one of the foremost disciples of Sri Bhagavan, but also as a person endowed with a rare gift to elucidate His teachings in a clear and simple manner which could easily be understood and followed in practice by all seekers of true knowledge.

 

Though some of Sri Swamigal’s writings in both prose and poetry were published during his lifetime, and though many more have been published in Tamil after he shed his physical body in March 1985, his attitude towards the publication of his writings was quite different from the attitude of many other writers of spiritual or philosophical books, who of their own accord seek to share their knowledge with the world by writing and publishing books.‘We should not open the door unless it is knocked’ was the principle underlying all his acts. Unless he was questioned with sincere earnestness, he would not speak or write anything about spiritual matters. Rising and going outwards to teach the world, getting on platforms to deliver lectures, seeking to enlighten the world by writing voluminous books, founding institutions, propagating religious doctrines by publishing magazines – all such activities he used strictly to avoid. And in doing so, he was but following the path lived and exemplified by Bhagavan Sri Ramana.Sri Swamigal often used to say, “We should not run after the world; we should not look outwards at the world,we should look inwards at Self. Those sannyasis who run after the world achieve neither the world nor Self (God). If we try to chase after our shadow, we will never catch it; but if we go towards the sun, our shadow will automatically come running behind us. Those sannyasis who are always attending to the world with the aim of teaching the world became spoilt in the end. . . No Sage (jnani) who ever came on earth was the product of an ashramam, math or any such institution. Each one of them stood alone and realized the Truth by himself. There is no rule that a man can attain true knowledge (jnana) only by becoming an inmate of a religious institution. Therefore, in the name of service to the world, let no one cheat himself and retard his spiritual progress by forming foundations and associations and by preaching, shouting slogans and running magazines”.An invitation once came to Sri Swamigal from an earnest seeker in U.S.A., “Will you not come to the West and guide us?” His attitude is shown clearly in his reply,which ran as follows: “. . .It is therefore unnecessary for the Reality to run after the world. Moreover, according to the great truth discovered and revealed by Sri Ramana Bhagavan, a good person leading a simple yet highly spiritual life and passing away unknown to the world does far greater good to the world than all the political and social reformers and all the platform-heroes of philosophy. A truly enlightened life will surely help earnest seekers even though they may be living in a remote corner of the world and even without any physical contact, communications, magazines or writings. This is Sri Ramana Bhagavan’s method of teaching the world through speech-transcending Mystic Silence, the greatest Power. Is it not up to us to follow the footsteps of our Guru, Sri Ramana’?… So why should I think of going anywhere? As He who has guided me to His home is the Father, Lord and inmost Self of one and all, does He not know best how to guide home earnest seekers,wherever they may be?Why then should an ego rise with the thought ‘I should guide people’? If such an ‘I’ were to rise, would it not be a self-conceited attempt to belittle the Grace of Sri Ramana, the one reality? Therefore, the thought of going to the West or the East, or here, there or anywhere else, has never occurred to me and will never occur to me!”Source: The Path of Sri Ramana PART ONE The Jñana aspect of the teaching By Sri Sadhu Om

 

-- Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

 

 

 

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Dear Michael,I have expected this answer to come back to me once i posted my response.All i can say is yes all places are equal and one can attain self-realization at any place/time.

Even here i am doing my level best to follow his teachings as far as possible.But everyone will have their own way to attain self-realization and even our ramana maharshi suggested to follow the best way what ever is easy for each person.

Though i donot remember the book name once ramana maharshi also said to one disciple that we can attain self-realization anywhere and place is not a concern.But when asked why then Ramana Maharshi Guru went to Arunachala and rather did not continue staying in Madurai itself then our guru said THAT WAS HIS DESTINY.

Again it was the same ramana maharshi who said that for self -realized person there is NO DESTINY.So i feel everyone should attain self-realization in what ever way it suits him and he is destined for.

Please anyone correct me if you think otherwise.Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth JalasutramOn Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasanth

 

your reply is very welcome indeed

 

you do not have to wait till you are " back in india "

as our beloved Sadguru Sri Ramana stated so many times

 

wherever you are is the right please for you

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

Monday, June 08, 2009 12:04 PM

Re: Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to cheat ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

Thanks Micheal Sir.

 

I do agree that we cheat ourselves if we go to teach the world without ourselves realizing our own self.

 

With god's grace once i go back to india i see that i try to follow in practice what ever knowledge i gathered now. 

 

Hoping our Bhagavan's grace and blessings are with each one of us and guide us properly.

 

Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasanth

 

this message is indeed a real sign-post how to walk the way back home.....

for all seekers who really want to live this eternal TRUTH this  IS a way to follow - and as side-effect

achieving lasting peace

 

my words are written out of my experience

 

may real LOVE shine on and in yourself

 

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

 

Monday, June 08, 2009 10:50 AM

Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to teach ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

 

 

After Bhagavan Sri Ramana cast off His mortal body in 1950, many of His devotees from both India and abroad gradually came to recognizeSri Sadhu Om Swamigal, not only as one of the foremost disciples of Sri Bhagavan, but also as a person endowed with a rare gift to elucidate His teachings in a clear and simple manner which could easily be understood and followed in practice by all seekers of true knowledge.

 

Though some of Sri Swamigal’s writings in both prose and poetry were published during his lifetime, and though many more have been published in Tamil after he shed his physical body in March 1985, his attitude towards the publication of his writings was quite different from the attitude of many other writers of spiritual or philosophical books, who of their own accord seek to share their knowledge with the world by writing and publishing books.‘We should not open the door unless it is knocked’ was the principle underlying all his acts. Unless he was questioned with sincere earnestness, he would not speak or write anything about spiritual matters. Rising and going outwards to teach the world, getting on platforms to deliver lectures, seeking to enlighten the world by writing voluminous books, founding institutions, propagating religious doctrines by publishing magazines – all such activities he used strictly to avoid. And in doing so, he was but following the path lived and exemplified by Bhagavan Sri Ramana.Sri Swamigal often used to say, “We should not run after the world; we should not look outwards at the world,we should look inwards at Self. Those sannyasis who run after the world achieve neither the world nor Self (God). If we try to chase after our shadow, we will never catch it; but if we go towards the sun, our shadow will automatically come running behind us. Those sannyasis who are always attending to the world with the aim of teaching the world became spoilt in the end. . . No Sage (jnani) who ever came on earth was the product of an ashramam, math or any such institution. Each one of them stood alone and realized the Truth by himself. There is no rule that a man can attain true knowledge (jnana) only by becoming an inmate of a religious institution. Therefore, in the name of service to the world, let no one cheat himself and retard his spiritual progress by forming foundations and associations and by preaching, shouting slogans and running magazines”.An invitation once came to Sri Swamigal from an earnest seeker in U.S.A., “Will you not come to the West and guide us?” His attitude is shown clearly in his reply,which ran as follows: “. . .It is therefore unnecessary for the Reality to run after the world. Moreover, according to the great truth discovered and revealed by Sri Ramana Bhagavan, a good person leading a simple yet highly spiritual life and passing away unknown to the world does far greater good to the world than all the political and social reformers and all the platform-heroes of philosophy. A truly enlightened life will surely help earnest seekers even though they may be living in a remote corner of the world and even without any physical contact, communications, magazines or writings. This is Sri Ramana Bhagavan’s method of teaching the world through speech-transcending Mystic Silence, the greatest Power. Is it not up to us to follow the footsteps of our Guru, Sri Ramana’?… So why should I think of going anywhere? As He who has guided me to His home is the Father, Lord and inmost Self of one and all, does He not know best how to guide home earnest seekers,wherever they may be?Why then should an ego rise with the thought ‘I should guide people’? If such an ‘I’ were to rise, would it not be a self-conceited attempt to belittle the Grace of Sri Ramana, the one reality? Therefore, the thought of going to the West or the East, or here, there or anywhere else, has never occurred to me and will never occur to me!”Source: The Path of Sri Ramana PART ONE The Jñana aspect of the teaching By Sri Sadhu Om

 

-- Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

 

 

 

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Dear One

 

agreed......

 

michael

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

Monday, June 08, 2009 2:25 PM

Re: Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to cheat ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

Dear Michael,

 

I have expected this answer to come back to me once i posted my response.

 

All i can say is yes all places are equal and one can attain self-realization at any place/time.

 

Even here i am doing my level best to follow his teachings as far as possible.

 

But everyone will have their own way to attain self-realization and even our ramana maharshi suggested to follow the best way what ever is easy for each person.

 

Though i donot remember the book name once ramana maharshi also said to one disciple that we can attain

self-realization anywhere and place is not a concern.

 

But when asked why then Ramana Maharshi Guru went to Arunachala and rather did not continue staying in Madurai itself then our guru said THAT WAS HIS DESTINY.

 

Again it was the same ramana maharshi who said that for self -realized person there is NO DESTINY.

 

So i feel everyone should attain self-realization in what ever way it suits him and he is destined for.

 

Please anyone correct me if you think otherwise.

 

Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasanth

 

your reply is very welcome indeed

 

you do not have to wait till you are "back in india"

as our beloved Sadguru Sri Ramana stated so many times

 

wherever you are is the right please for you

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

 

 

 

Monday, June 08, 2009 12:04 PM

Re: Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to cheat ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Micheal Sir.

I do agree that we cheat ourselves if we go to teach the world without ourselves realizing our own self.

 

With god's grace once i go back to india i see that i try to follow in practice what ever knowledge i gathered now.

 

Hoping our Bhagavan's grace and blessings are with each one of us and guide us properly.

 

Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prasanth

 

this message is indeed a real sign-post how to walk the way back home.....

for all seekers who really want to live this eternal TRUTH this IS a way to follow - and as side-effect

achieving lasting peace

 

my words are written out of my experience

 

may real LOVE shine on and in yourself

 

 

in ITS Grace

 

michael

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

 

Monday, June 08, 2009 10:50 AM

Ramana Maharshi's disciple says not to teach ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

 

 

After Bhagavan Sri Ramana cast off His mortal body in 1950, many of His devotees from both India and abroad gradually came to recognizeSri Sadhu Om Swamigal, not only as one of the foremost disciples of Sri Bhagavan, but also as a person endowed with a rare gift to elucidate His teachings in a clear and simple manner which could easily be understood and followed in practice by all seekers of true knowledge.

 

Though some of Sri Swamigal’s writings in both prose and poetry were published during his lifetime, and though many more have been published in Tamil after he shed his physical body in March 1985, his attitude towards the publication of his writings was quite different from the attitude of many other writers of spiritual or philosophical books, who of their own accord seek to share their knowledge with the world by writing and publishing books.‘We should not open the door unless it is knocked’ was the principle underlying all his acts. Unless he was questioned with sincere earnestness, he would not speak or write anything about spiritual matters. Rising and going outwards to teach the world, getting on platforms to deliver lectures, seeking to enlighten the world by writing voluminous books, founding institutions, propagating religious doctrines by publishing magazines – all such activities he used strictly to avoid. And in doing so, he was but following the path lived and exemplified by Bhagavan Sri Ramana.Sri Swamigal often used to say, “We should not run after the world; we should not look outwards at the world,we should look inwards at Self. Those sannyasis who run after the world achieve neither the world nor Self (God). If we try to chase after our shadow, we will never catch it; but if we go towards the sun, our shadow will automatically come running behind us. Those sannyasis who are always attending to the world with the aim of teaching the world became spoilt in the end. . . No Sage (jnani) who ever came on earth was the product of an ashramam, math or any such institution. Each one of them stood alone and realized the Truth by himself. There is no rule that a man can attain true knowledge (jnana) only by becoming an inmate of a religious institution. Therefore, in the name of service to the world, let no one cheat himself and retard his spiritual progress by forming foundations and associations and by preaching, shouting slogans and running magazines”.An invitation once came to Sri Swamigal from an earnest seeker in U.S.A., “Will you not come to the West and guide us?” His attitude is shown clearly in his reply,which ran as follows: “. . .It is therefore unnecessary for the Reality to run after the world. Moreover, according to the great truth discovered and revealed by Sri Ramana Bhagavan, a good person leading a simple yet highly spiritual life and passing away unknown to the world does far greater good to the world than all the political and social reformers and all the platform-heroes of philosophy. A truly enlightened life will surely help earnest seekers even though they may be living in a remote corner of the world and even without any physical contact, communications, magazines or writings. This is Sri Ramana Bhagavan’s method of teaching the world through speech-transcending Mystic Silence, the greatest Power. Is it not up to us to follow the footsteps of our Guru, Sri Ramana’?… So why should I think of going anywhere? As He who has guided me to His home is the Father, Lord and inmost Self of one and all, does He not know best how to guide home earnest seekers,wherever they may be?Why then should an ego rise with the thought ‘I should guide people’? If such an ‘I’ were to rise, would it not be a self-conceited attempt to belittle the Grace of Sri Ramana, the one reality? Therefore, the thought of going to the West or the East, or here, there or anywhere else, has never occurred to me and will never occur to me!”Source: The Path of Sri Ramana PART ONE The Jñana aspect of the teaching By Sri Sadhu Om

 

-- Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

 

 

 

 

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Dear Prashanthji:

 

You are absolutely perfect wherever you are :-)

 

And thank you for sharing your posts. It is interesting

that this one dovetails with the one Gabrielle just posted

on Nagammaji's letters about the burden being a

guru was in Ramana Maharshi's later years.

It is said that in the beginning the Maharshi resisted

being viewed as a Guru, but when people persisted,

I presume he realized it was his personal swadharma

and allowed it to happen around him.

 

For the benefit of all :-)

The Lord's will...

Thy will, not mine.

 

Grateful to be

In His Service,

 

Radhe

 

 

 

 

-

Prasanth Jalasutram

 

Monday, June 08, 2009 8:25 AM

Re: Ramana Maharshi's disciple says

not to cheat ourselves in the name of service of the world

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Michael,

 

 

I have expected this answer to come back to me once i posted my response.

 

 

All i can say is yes all places are equal and one can attain

self-realization at any place/time.

 

 

Even here i am doing my level best to follow his teachings as far as

possible.

 

 

But everyone will have their own way to attain self-realization and even our

ramana maharshi suggested to follow the best way what ever is easy for each

person.