Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 - Swami Sadasivananda <sadasivananda wrote: ACTUAL PHOTO OF THE HUMAN "EGO If it scares you, it should. In the Bhagavad Gita, the Lord declares this face (our ego) to be our most powerful and greatest enemy! Thus the goal of life is declared to be killing it, before it kills you!Question: Did Sri Ramana Maharshi ever speak about suicide? Did his teaching guide us to know the source of suicidal feelings and how to overcome them? Human suicide is indeed as perplexing as is the prevention of it. Since suicide is seen as such an incomprehensible loss, we inadvertently point the finger of accusation at God. But the scriptures of all major religions point the finger where it belongs; at us! Sri Ramana Maharshi did speak at length on suicide, and I will give his most pertinent remarks below. We must first understand that Bhagavan was adamantly traditional in his guidance with regards to what suicide is, what promotes it, and what frees us from its influence. Bhagavan echoed the teachings of Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, the major Hindu scriptures, and the wisdom of the Buddha in declaring first and foremost that, "All states and all conditions in life proceed from the mind; they are mind-made and mind governed. (Dhamapada 1:1) We live and move, either feeling bound or free, as individuals. Dependence on “othersâ€, in Pali “tanha (clinging)â€, spiritually weakens us. Thus Bhagavan expressly demonstrated this truth in his own translation of Adi Shankacharya’s Vikekachudamani: “If, by some great penance, that rarity, a human body is obtained, with its ability to understand the meaning of the scriptures, and yet, owing to attachment to insentient things, effort is not made to attain the immutable state of liberation, which is one’s own true state, then indeed one is a fool committing suicide. What greater fool is there than one who does not seek his own good?†Bhagavan is reminding us of the source of the pain which can lead to suicide, “owing to attachment to insentient thingsâ€. But alas, we are sensual beings and we habitually seek association and attachment in an effort to secure happiness. In this regard we find the following words of guidance from Bhagavan recorded in Talks #340: A question arises, why there should be suicides. Why does one do it? Bhagavan replied: “Because he is unhappy and desires to put an end to his unhappiness. He actually does it by ending the association with the body which represents all unhappiness. For there must be a killer to kill the body. He is the survivor after suicide. That is the Self.†Later, in Talks# 536, Bhagavan shows the ways and means to escape unhappiness, even the unhappiness that leads to suicide: “The person soaked in the “I-am-the-body†idea is the greatest sinnerand he is a suicide. The experience of “I-am-the-Self†is the highestvirtue. Even a moment’s dhyana (meditation) to that effect is enough to destroyall the Sanchita Karma. It works like the sun before whom darknessis dispelled. If one remains always in dhyana, can any sin, howeverheinous (suicidal) it be, survive his dhyana?â€[sanchita Karma: Karma produced by acts performed either in this life or in a previous one, but which remains latent during this present life. Karma which has not yet begun to produce results or fruits.] Meditation alone promotes the strengthening of the individual, without dismantling our innate need for dependence. It does so by creating and enlivening our Spirit through dependence on God! The power of meditation is fathomless, for as Bhagavan declares, in unison with the Bhagavad Gita: “The pain (Sanchita Karma) which is yet to come can be avoided.†Sri Anandamayi Ma spoke of this truth when saying that, “Death must die!†Death, the ultimate cause of the most painful fear, can be transcended. Even death must be transcended, for it is the most potent limitation of the realization of the Self. This “realization†is brought about through the death of the ego; the goal of life is, in Bhagavan’s own words, the highest state of “egocideâ€! We must never stop until the goal is reached; the goal of shaking free from the limitations promoted on dependence on anything other than God. Sri Ramana Maharshi puts us to the test, pointing the Divine finger at us to realize that we are not just suicidal, but actually living in death. D.: Death must then be the highest state. M.: Yes. We are now living in Death. Those who have limited the unlimited Self have committed suicide by putting on such limitations. (Talks #435)-- Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi web site: http://www.ramanateaching.orgAsk your question in relation to Bhagavan's teachings, meditation and spirituality at: http://www.ramanateaching.org/faqTo contact Swami Sadasivananda:http://www.ramanateaching.org/contact.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 When the Mind is empty , The Heart is full of compassion ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Namaste Ramesh ....came out of the blue??? yours - am "sure" - but who knows... thanks of course its like this if humans are real humans and not so denaturated to be just functioning machines and there are to many around like this... if you walk on the street in big towsn and LOOK but due to Grace sometimes you feel a LIVING "person" which radiates thru herhis eyes..... the same you notice in animals all the best in GD michael - ramesh chivukula Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:44 AM Re: Re: TO DIE, OR NOT TO DIE. IS THAT THE QUESTION? When the Mind is empty , The Heart is full of compassion ! Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release 06/27/09 17:55:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dr.Raju wrote: When the mind is empty,the compassion which is a natural quality of heart flows unobstructed through the mind also.~Dr.Raju. , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > When the Mind is empty , > The Heart is full of compassion ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Ofcourse Raja garu ...every cell with vibrate with love and comapssion ! --- On Mon, 6/29/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote: drrajunsp <drrajunsp Re: TO DIE, OR NOT TO DIE. IS THAT THE QUESTION? Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:13 AM Dr.Raju wrote:When the mind is empty,the compassion which is a natural quality of heart flows unobstructed through the mind also.~Dr.Raju., ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>> When the Mind is empty ,> The Heart is full of compassion !> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Michael .. No it did not come out of the blue ..it has come out of "living experience " as you would like to put it.. love ramesh --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: Re: TO DIE, OR NOT TO DIE. IS THAT THE QUESTION? Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:43 PM Namaste Ramesh ....came out of the blue??? yours - am "sure" - but who knows... thanks of course its like this if humans are real humans and not so denaturated to be just functioning machines and there are to many around like this... if you walk on the street in big towsn and LOOK but due to Grace sometimes you feel a LIVING "person" which radiates thru herhis eyes..... the same you notice in animals all the best in GD michael - ramesh chivukula Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:44 AM Re: Re: TO DIE, OR NOT TO DIE. IS THAT THE QUESTION? When the Mind is empty , The Heart is full of compassion ! Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release 06/27/09 17:55:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 -Dear Chrys, I like your article- but there is one great boon you can obtain through Faith and that is Self Realisation which is all you ever could want and gives you everything. That Faith must be implanted in Bhagavan's Teachings and the absolute certainty that he dwells in your heart as the formless form of pure consciousness-awareness, that is your own Self. So in that way you can have everything you want, with perseverance and determination.WE must never wilt but rely on the abundance of his grace. All love, In His Grace, Alan -- In , " crystaqueous " <crystaqueous wrote: > > Dearest Alan, > > This article is very powerful. > Just a few remarks to offer in a loving response. > > " You can't have everything you want " > (Neil Donald Walsh) > > > It is essential to keep in mind that simply nothing, including the ego itself, that is unwanted or wanted can possibly go away or come into being from the standpoint of one perceiving his or herself in a place of victim-hood or lack. And therefore all effort dispensed in wanting and trying to transform a bad or undesirable thing into the good and desirable is utterly futile. This is attempted over and over in the non-spirit dimension of human consciousness as teachers misrepresenting and misdirecting the power of the human mind toward the pseudo-spiritual and material are many. However, in the arena of the true Spirit quest the following axiom holds unalterably true: " You can't have everything thing you want. " > > The only way in which the Cosmos has designed to eliminate this apparent perceived dilemma or paradigm, is— by giving birth to faith. For this Divine Agency called faith is the eye that enables the so-called dreamer to commence SEEING only THAT which is REAL, and then to further SEE that one's only actual identity and Essence has forever been ONLY THAT. Hence, to the One perceiving or KNOWING they are in the land of YES or the Realm of Immutable Bliss— naught but an unlimited abundance of all joyous things and conditions can possibly be experienced from moment to moment. If faith were always to remain alone it would be less than worthless! True Faith transcends rapidly into Knowing and only Bliss is experienced by the Eternal Knower in the here and now. Assuredly, all who awake— awake as the ONE who IS All Knowing Light and Love > > Therefore, faith is said to be born and practiced while one perceives he or she is on the so-called dark side of the dream veil as it is intuited to be the Heavenly Vehicle that permanently transports one through that imaginary veil back to where the One has never left. So obviously it is clear that faith is designed to be Joyously turned into KNOWING whence the imaginary and so-called ignorant seeker is said to utterly vanish or to awaken as the ONE ETERNAL KNOWER THAT NEVER WENT TO SLEEP in a so-called dark place. It is well said: faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. And it must be added that the giving birth to this thing called faith, will not even become a consideration of the so-called human mind until such is highly disillusioned with all that is unreal. > > Timeless Love Light Peace and Knowing-- the Joyous Identity of us all, > Crys , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > > > - Swami Sadasivananda <sadasivananda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                 ACTUAL PHOTO OF THE HUMAN " EGO > >                                     > >                    If it scares you, it should. > >                           In the Bhagavad Gita, the Lord declares > >                                this face (our ego) to be our most > >                                   powerful and greatest enemy! > >                      Thus the goal of life is declared to be killing it, > >                              before it kills you! > > > > Question: Did Sri Ramana Maharshi ever speak about suicide? Did his teaching guide us to know the source of suicidal feelings and how to overcome them? > > > >     Human suicide is indeed as perplexing as is the prevention of it. Since suicide is seen as such an incomprehensible loss, we inadvertently point the finger of accusation at God. But the scriptures of all major religions point the finger where it belongs; at us! > > > >     Sri Ramana Maharshi did speak at length on suicide, and I will give his most pertinent remarks below. We must first understand that Bhagavan was adamantly traditional in his guidance with regards to what suicide is, what promotes it, and what frees us from its influence. Bhagavan echoed the teachings of Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, the major Hindu scriptures, and the wisdom of the Buddha in declaring first and foremost that, > > > > > > " All states and all conditions in life proceed from the mind; they are mind-made and mind governed. (Dhamapada 1:1) > >    We live and move, either feeling bound or free, as individuals. Dependence on “othersâ€, in Pali “tanha (clinging)â€, spiritually weakens us. Thus Bhagavan expressly demonstrated this truth in his own translation of Adi Shankacharya’s Vikekachudamani: > > > > “If, by some great penance, that rarity, a human body is obtained, with its ability to understand the meaning of the scriptures, and yet, owing to attachment to insentient things, effort is not made to attain the immutable state of liberation, which is one’s own true state, then indeed one is a fool committing suicide. What greater fool is there than one who does not seek his own good?†> >     Bhagavan is reminding us of the source of the pain which can lead to suicide, “owing to attachment to insentient thingsâ€. But alas, we are sensual beings and we habitually seek association and attachment in an effort to secure happiness. > > > >     In this regard we find the following words of guidance from Bhagavan recorded in Talks #340: > > > > A question arises, why there should be suicides. Why does one do it? Bhagavan replied: “Because he is unhappy and desires to put an end to his unhappiness. He actually does it by ending the association with the body which represents all unhappiness. For there must be a killer to kill the body. He is the survivor after suicide. That is the Self.†> > Later, in Talks# 536, Bhagavan shows the ways and means to escape unhappiness, even the unhappiness that leads to suicide: > > > > > > “The person soaked in the “I-am-the-body†idea is the greatest sinner > > and he is a suicide. The experience of “I-am-the-Self†is the highest > > virtue. Even a moment’s dhyana (meditation) to that effect is enough to destroy > > all the Sanchita Karma. It works like the sun before whom darkness > > is dispelled. If one remains always in dhyana, can any sin, however > > heinous (suicidal) it be, survive his dhyana?†> > > > [sanchita Karma: Karma produced by acts performed either in this life or in a previous one, but which remains latent during this present life. Karma which has not yet begun to produce results or fruits.] > >     Meditation alone promotes the strengthening of the individual, without dismantling our innate need for dependence. It does so by creating and enlivening our Spirit through dependence on God! The power of meditation is fathomless, for as Bhagavan declares, in unison with the Bhagavad Gita: > > > >  “The pain (Sanchita Karma) which is yet to come can be avoided.†> >     Sri Anandamayi Ma spoke of this truth when saying that, “Death must die!†Death, the ultimate cause of the most painful fear, can be transcended. Even death must be transcended, for it is the most potent limitation of the realization of the Self. This “realization†is brought about through the death of the ego; the goal of life is, in Bhagavan’s own words, the highest state of “egocideâ€! > > > >     We must never stop until the goal is reached; the goal of shaking free from the limitations promoted on dependence on anything other than God. Sri Ramana Maharshi puts us to the test, pointing the Divine finger at us to realize that we are not just suicidal, but actually living in death. > > > >  D.: Death must then be the highest state. > >  M.: Yes. We are now living in Death. Those who have limited the unlimited Self   have committed suicide by putting on such limitations. (Talks #435) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi web site: http://www.ramanateaching.org > > > > Ask your question in relation to Bhagavan's teachings, meditation and spirituality at: http://www.ramanateaching.org/faq > > > > To contact Swami Sadasivananda: > > http://www.ramanateaching.org/contact.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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