Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Dear Michael, Thanks for your reply. The emotions are like strong horses, they need to be reined in to a certain degree by practicing mind control, through watching the flow of breath, meditation , using a mantra etc. But when the emotions start yearning to perform Self Enquiry because they are very tired of the folly of the mind, then they are a most powerful instrument. Saying 'Who Am I?' with the intellectual mind is weak, but when the emotions are behind the question then the Self Enquiry process begins in earnest. Changes take place, it becomes a priority, wasteful preoccupations and anxieties drop away, and vasanas emerge. It is a purificatory process removing the occlusion of the veil obstructing the full Realisation of the Self. Pray for Grace and the wish to practice Self Enquiry zealously, and the guidance will come- little by little. Of course this is the Questioning approach as Rafael has successfully used. There are other approaches given by Bhagavan to suit different temperaments. In my article on Luthar.com on Aids to Self Enquiry I have briefly detailed them. My sadhana is Diving Into the Heart on which I have also written in Luthar.com I am sure you will succeed if you apply yourself in the approaches you are most comfortable with persistently and determinedly. All love, With every best wish, In His Grace, Alan All love, Alan --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Re: Re: SELF ENQUIRY Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 7:28 PM Dear Alan tku for your information. Having been and sometimes still are very emotional i do know the trap of it.. And too often came around of deep believers who in the end proved that their emotional side was the trap indeed.. And acting out of emotions did bring me in traps too.... Of course am always deeply committed to those who really are ready to walk our walk... not to many of course... your comments, dear friend!, are always welcomed.... and you know this... in IT michael - alan jacobs Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:37 PM Re: SELF ENQUIRY Dear Michael, When the emotional feeling becomes so strong that Self Enquiry becomes more important than anything else it happens like Rafael describes- until then one can only practice in the best way one can and Grace will take you there depending on the earnestness of your effort and need. Love, In Him, Alan -- In , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Rafael > > after reading your mail i am curious to know how you did it in practical terms... > > > ----used to attempt ask who am i every moment of every day; > at the office job, on the movie sets, climbing trees to trim, during military service, at home with wife and kids, etc > > you state ....every moment of every day seemingly everywhere.. . > > please share your way of doing it with all of us > could be of great help to those new on the way > > you know why? > > because what you state is indeed the most difficult " work " on the way....... > > > tku for sharing and cooperation > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > > > > - > rafaelstoneman > > Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:39 PM > Re: SELF ENQUIRY > > > > > > I realize this topic is old, but I find it quite useful. > > I can say that for the last 14 years, I've been engaging in self enquiry. Now, in this moment, I know that I am the Eternal Self. > Did this moment come as a result of this Self Enquiry, or did the Self Enquiry come from this knowing. Time is interesting that way. Either way, when ever one is in any doubt of who they are, who am i, and when one is in the silent experience of ilessness, no need. > > I used to attempt ask who am i every moment of every day; at the office job, on the movie sets, climbing trees to trim, during military service, at home with wife and kids, etc. it got so that the question went on by itself in the subconscious if you will... and then at a certain point it stopped being asked, something fell away like a fruit off a tree... and yet now and then it rises again to ask, but from the standpoint of one who feels that they are not free and that they want to be free... it is the best aide for a mind steeped in language... thank you Alan and others here for love of Sri Ramana... brothers in Bhagavan... > > , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Alan and Sundarajan, > > > > Thanks for raising the question. > > > > The general view of staunch Bhagavan devotees, with whom that I have discussed this burning question ,is that Bhagavan points out that the Real Self of Absolute Pure Consciousness (the state of the Jnani) is occluded or veiled by the vasanas accumalated from this and previous life times. The sure way to eradicate them is through Self Enquiry. Otherwise one is still living from the stepped down state of reflected Consciousness (Chidabasa). It is like looking at the Moon in a puddle, to use a Vedantic metaphor. Either one feels a strong urge to Realise the Self or one does not? Sometime, after pondering, and studying his teachings one may recognise the authoratative Truth of his advice and proceed. Of course total Surrender to the Self or Source of one's own being may also succeed, but it is generally regarded as a longer pracice. > > > > I hope this helps. Other members may care to contribute on this important topic. > > > > All best wishes and regards, > > > > Alan > > --- On Mon, 25/8/08, alan kuntz <alan.kuntz@ > wrote: > > > > alan kuntz <alan.kuntz@ > > > Re: SELF ENQUIRY > > > > Monday, 25 August, 2008, 10:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great passage and I often ask myself why would I want to > > engage or try to engage myself in the practice of self enquiry > > unless I had a inkling that there is some particular sense of my self > > that is either absurd or habitual or less than desirable because it > > is not useful to myself or others in any productive and loving > > altruistic way. I am habituated towards narcissistic compulsive > > attention deficit disorders..IS it wrong to say it is 'sin' > > If that is true what else could drive me towards the enquiry of who I > > am..?How can the desire to know be there unless there is some > > recognition of the case of mistaken identity? > > Thanks for you time. > > Alan > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > SELF ENQUIRY > > >  > > > Gems from Bhagavan P.15 > > >  > > > Though ancient and timeless sense attachments in the shape of > > vasanas (subtle tendencies) may rise countless like the waves of the > > sea, they will all be destroyed as dhyana progresses. Without giving > > any room for doubt whether it would at all be possible to eradicate > > all these vasanas and be the Self alone, one must take hold > > ceaselessly of dhyana of the Self. However great a sinner one may be, > > instead of lamenting 'I am a great sinner, how can I make any > > progress?' one must completely forget the fact of one being a sinner > > and earnestly pursue meditation of Self. He is then sure to succeed. > > >  > > > Dhyana : Self enquiry;  meditation; contemplation; inner > > concentration of attention. turning inwards etc. > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.6/2221 - Release 07/06/09 17:54:00 > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.7/2222 - Release 07/07/09 05:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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