Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*. As I Am. ~Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dear Anna you write To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*. as "i" identify only with IT - or whatever name you use for SELF GD LOVE ENERGY and so on.... there does not exist a separation between SELF and little i called this time michael. But you know - am sure - that all words are just words and can never be understood if not all those who use it in a socalled discussion are sure that they mean the same..... putting our inner belief in daily practice is that what counts - not endless talk about it.... thank you like always for your contributions.... in GD i trust michael - anabebe57 Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:45 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote:>> "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever !>To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*.As I Am.~Anna Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dear Ramesh short and precise but the question many on the way ask is how tackle all obstacles in daily life? answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker o r is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? all the best michael - ramesh chivukula Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM The one and only purpose ! "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Indeed. Conversing/conversation itself implies/proves *separation*. Talking monkeys ;-) have little recourse but silence. And silence (in the sense of not speaking, not in the sense of the utter silence I am/you/we are), is quite improbable in this venue called the internet, especially. However, we do know of and meet in a transcendental reality that includes telepathy. That's exciting and fulfilling. it's seeing through a glass darkly that there IS light at the end of the tunnel. And we are it. Namaste, Anna , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Anna > > you write > > To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*. > > as " i " identify only with IT - or whatever name you use for SELF GD LOVE ENERGY and so on.... > there does not exist a separation between SELF and little i called this time michael. > But you know - am sure - that all words are just words and can never be understood if not all those who use it in a socalled discussion are sure that they mean the same..... > putting our inner belief in daily practice is that what counts - not endless talk about it.... > > thank you like always for your contributions.... > > > in GD i trust > > michael > > > - > anabebe57 > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:45 PM > Re: The one and only purpose ! > > > , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@> wrote: > > > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*. > > As I Am. > > ~Anna > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dr.Raju wrote: Dear Bindel, Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your requirement. Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry.Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real self-enquiry(Nija Vicharana). Thank you all~Dr.Raju. , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Ramesh > > short and precise > but the question many on the way ask is > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker > > o r > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? > > > all the best > > michael > > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > The one and only purpose ! > > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thank you for this post Sir. And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you. In Ramana , " drrajunsp " <drrajunsp wrote: > > Dr.Raju wrote: > > Dear Bindel, > Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement. > > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry.Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not > run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding > and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry(Nija Vicharana). > > Thank you all~Dr.Raju. > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh > > > > short and precise > > but the question many on the way ask is > > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker > > > > o r > > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? > > > > > > all the best > > > > michael > > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > > The one and only purpose ! > > > > > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dear Dr Raju i am honored by your question at first please call me with my first name Michael as a bytheway numerologist since decades names have a special meaning for me mi cha el comes from the holy language of jewish bible and means who is like GD this question was highly important for my inner development regarding your sentence my requirement is indeed only for myself b u t must aknowledge that if i meet someone who lives accordingly i call this authentic Dear unknown Dr Raju, friend in this Sangha: with your statement you fullfill completely my requirements i ask for myself till later awaiting your esteemed answer in GD i trust michael - drrajunsp Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:59 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Dr.Raju wrote:Dear Bindel,Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your requirement.Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry.Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should notrun away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understandingand to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real self-enquiry(Nija Vicharana).Thank you all~Dr.Raju. , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>> Dear Ramesh> > short and precise> but the question many on the way ask is> how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > o r> > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > all the best> > michael> > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> The one and only purpose !> > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 , " rafaelstoneman " <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > Thank you for this post Sir. > And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. > > I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you. > > In Ramana > Dearest Raphael, you only think that is so,but if you dont identify with your thoughts,then whom is taking longer,for what? With love, Sandosham > , " drrajunsp " <drrajunsp@> wrote: > > > > Dr.Raju wrote: > > > > Dear Bindel, > > Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > > > requirement. > > > > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry.Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not > > run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding > > and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > > self-enquiry(Nija Vicharana). > > > > Thank you all~Dr.Raju. > > > > > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh > > > > > > short and precise > > > but the question many on the way ask is > > > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > > > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker > > > > > > o r > > > > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? > > > > > > > > > all the best > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > > > - > > > ramesh chivukula > > > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > > > The one and only purpose ! > > > > > > > > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > > > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Oh no Rafe ..remember we are all sailing in the same boat ..Our sangha brother Gopi krishnaji made a very apt statement - how does it matter whether we are in the first compartment or the last ..the train is one ..the destination is one .. we are all ONE with ONE... all love..no stress ...only bliss ... ramesh rafaelstoneman <rafaelstoneman Re: The one and only purpose ! Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:52 PM Thank you for this post Sir.And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.In Ramana, "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:>> Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Bindel,> Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement.> > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry. Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry( Nija Vicharana).> > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yes sir, agreed. born010405 <born010405Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24:52 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! , "rafaelstoneman" <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:>> Thank you for this post Sir.> And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. > > I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.> > In Ramana>Dearest Raphael,you only think that is so,but if you dont identify with your thoughts,then whom is taking longer,for what?With love,Sandosham > , "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp@> wrote:> >> > Dr.Raju wrote:> > > > Dear Bindel,> > Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > > > requirement.> > > > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry. Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> > run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> > and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > > self-enquiry( Nija Vicharana).> > > > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ramesh> > > > > > short and precise> > > but the question many on the way ask is> > > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > > > o r> > > > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > > > > all the best> > > > > > michael> > > > > > > > > - > > > ramesh chivukula > > > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > > Subject: The one and only purpose !> > > > > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Thank you for this Ramesh, you are always steady in faith, a fine example for us all. ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:22:05 PMRe: Re: The one and only purpose ! Oh no Rafe ..remember we are all sailing in the same boat ..Our sangha brother Gopi krishnaji made a very apt statement - how does it matter whether we are in the first compartment or the last ..the train is one ..the destination is one .. we are all ONE with ONE... all love..no stress ...only bliss ... ramesh rafaelstoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > Re: The one and only purpose !Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:52 PM Thank you for this post Sir.And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.In Ramana, "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:>> Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Bindel,> Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement.> > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry. Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry( Nija Vicharana).> > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Date:  Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:47:51 -0700 (PDT) >  Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman >Subject:  Re: Re: The one and only purpose ! >To:  > > > > Yes sir, agreed. i think, therefore i am mistaken. thoughts come and go, thoughts pass. change lasts… but the omnipresent, nameless reality/god/truth/love your inexplicable essence/self remains forever unaffected, whole, boundless and free. all containing without another, it is what is (and/or isn't), timeless, void of identity and impersonal. remember, my friend: temporary name and form, however sublime – is merely an ass! in love, yosy > > --------------- > > born010405 <born010405 > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24:52 PM > Re: The one > and only purpose ! > > > , > " rafaelstoneman " <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote: > > > > Thank you for this post Sir. > > And thank you all for your tolerance and > compassion for my postings, which it has been > brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I > admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in > competition of Ramana's love, which is quite > impossible, as He loves all things equally. > Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and > verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone > else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in > genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of > having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank > you for all the truly humble people here that only > want to be in God's heart and don't care about > obtaining recognition for it. > > > > I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of > seeing who one is clearly is something we all must > go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all > of you. > > > > In Ramana > > > > Dearest Raphael, > > you only think that is so,but if you dont identify > with your thoughts,then whom is taking longer,for > what? > > With love, > Sandosham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Michael .. Let me attempt to answer . Even when we are alone , we are not lonely ..Our own Inner Self guides us through ..That we reach the goal is already predetermined ..the timing is not. Meanwhile when we are stuck with this daily ROLE PLAYING ...all kinds of sadhanas ( to each his own ...) make our lives more tolerable , more interesting and more worthwhile ..When the INTENT is strong enough ..the GOAL cannot be far away ...But knowing the way is not enough , as they say , we need to walk ALL THE WAY ! love der dummkopf ramesh --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: The one and only purpose ! Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:09 PM Dear Ramesh short and precise but the question many on the way ask is how tackle all obstacles in daily life? answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker o r is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? all the best michael - ramesh chivukula Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM The one and only purpose ! "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv >Subject: Re: The one and only purpose ! >To: > > > > Dear Michael .. > > Let me attempt to answer . Even when we are alone , > we are not lonely ..Our own Inner Self guides us > through ..That we reach the goal is already > predetermined ..the timing is not. Meanwhile when > we are stuck with this daily ROLE PLAYING ...all > kinds of sadhanas ( to each his own ...) make our > lives more tolerable , more interesting and more > worthwhile ..When the INTENT is strong enough ..the > GOAL cannot be far away ...But knowing the way is > not enough , as they say , we need to walk ALL THE > WAY ! > > love > > der dummkopf ramesh > > all the way where? In this center-less infinity Stretching endlessly Each and every point Lies reposing At it's dead center. Dormant, reclining In the eternal Beginning less Now... alhamdulillah! yosy (no one in particular...) > > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Bindel > <michael.bindel wrote: > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel > Re: The > one and only purpose ! > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:09 PM > > > Dear Ramesh > > short and precise > but the question many on the way ask is > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > answering this would be of great help for the > honest seeker > > o r > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled > darkest hours to find our own way in our own > way??? > > > all the best > > michael > > > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > The one > and only purpose ! > > > " There is one thing in this world that must > never be forgotten. If you were to forget all > else, but did not forget that, then you would > have no reason to worry. But if you performed > and remembered everything else, yet forgot that > one thing, then you would have done nothing > whatsoever. " - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to > understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it > spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > --------------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: > 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yes Yosy back to the CORE OF THE BEING .... love ramesh , who would love to forget his given name forever ! --- On Fri, 7/17/09, yosyflug <yosyflug wrote: yosyflug <yosyflugRe: The one and only purpose ! Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:54 AM ---- Original message ----> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT)> ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Re: The one and only purpose ! > >> >> Dear Michael .. > > Let me attempt to answer . Even when we are alone , > we are not lonely ..Our own Inner Self guides us > through ..That we reach the goal is already > predetermined ..the timing is not. Meanwhile when > we are stuck with this daily ROLE PLAYING ...all > kinds of sadhanas ( to each his own ...) make our > lives more tolerable , more interesting and more > worthwhile ..When the INTENT is strong enough ..the > GOAL cannot be far away ...But knowing the way is > not enough , as they say , we need to walk ALL THE > WAY ! > > love > > der dummkopf ramesh > > all the way where? In this center-less infinityStretching endlesslyEach and every pointLies reposingAt it's dead center.Dormant, recliningIn the eternalBeginning lessNow...alhamdulillah!yosy (no one in particular.. .)> > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Bindel > <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> wrote: > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> > Re: The > one and only purpose ! > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:09 PM > > > Dear Ramesh > > short and precise > but the question many on the way ask is > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > answering this would be of great help for the > honest seeker > > o r > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled > darkest hours to find our own way in our own > way??? > > > all the best > > michael > > > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > The one > and only purpose ! > > > "There is one thing in this world that must > never be forgotten. If you were to forget all > else, but did not forget that, then you would > have no reason to worry. But if you performed > and remembered everything else, yet forgot that > one thing, then you would have done nothing > whatsoever." - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to > understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it > spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: > 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Michael,Love and Love alone.....Understand and believe for sure that this would also pass by. Life is filled with events. As one thought replaces another, one incident or experience replaces another. Nothing is permanent except One. Obstalcles are incidents and experiences in life and they would also pass by, as many others. Not succumbing to these obstacles is yoga. Be with one thought or no thought is meditation. Grace is always there with us, but we are not with It. Let us be with It in happiness and pain.Love and Love alone.....P. Gopi Krishna Re: The one and only purpose ! Posted by: "Michael Bindel" michael.bindel michael_bindel Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:45 am (PDT) Dear Ramesh short and precise but the question many on the way ask is how tackle all obstacles in daily life? answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker o r is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? all the best michael recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Ramesh why giving up your YOUR name Ramesh only when you are ready practically to live a life like our Sadguru Sri Ramana Maharshi could you practically give up your name.... i love your dreamlike qualitites.... but walking the way back home it nees "more" in gratitude michael - ramesh chivukula Friday, July 17, 2009 6:30 AM Re: The one and only purpose ! Yes Yosy back to the CORE OF THE BEING .... love ramesh , who would love to forget his given name forever ! --- On Fri, 7/17/09, yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il> wrote: yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il>Re: The one and only purpose ! Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:54 AM ---- Original message ----> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT)> ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Re: The one and only purpose ! > >> >> Dear Michael .. > > Let me attempt to answer . Even when we are alone , > we are not lonely ..Our own Inner Self guides us > through ..That we reach the goal is already > predetermined ..the timing is not. Meanwhile when > we are stuck with this daily ROLE PLAYING ...all > kinds of sadhanas ( to each his own ...) make our > lives more tolerable , more interesting and more > worthwhile ..When the INTENT is strong enough ..the > GOAL cannot be far away ...But knowing the way is > not enough , as they say , we need to walk ALL THE > WAY ! > > love > > der dummkopf ramesh > > all the way where? In this center-less infinityStretching endlesslyEach and every pointLies reposingAt it's dead center.Dormant, recliningIn the eternalBeginning lessNow...alhamdulillah!yosy (no one in particular.. .)> > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Bindel > <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> wrote: > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> > Re: The > one and only purpose ! > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:09 PM > > > Dear Ramesh > > short and precise > but the question many on the way ask is > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > answering this would be of great help for the > honest seeker > > o r > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled > darkest hours to find our own way in our own > way??? > > > all the best > > michael > > > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > The one > and only purpose ! > > > "There is one thing in this world that must > never be forgotten. If you were to forget all > else, but did not forget that, then you would > have no reason to worry. But if you performed > and remembered everything else, yet forgot that > one thing, then you would have done nothing > whatsoever." - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to > understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it > spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: > 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Rafael please send me the worddoc - am very interested regarding your mail which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. michael did not feel you as "arrogant" i felt you lived thru very much indeed, are highly intellectual with a high IQ, meaning: you have a good outlook on whats going on around yourself a n d you long for TRUTH this longing and your efforts finding it is in itself wonderful so living with this tools surrounded by so many robotlike socalled humans is in itself very demanding accepting yourself as you are at this moment is the basic you need to walk your way back home this accepting of yourself in an wholehearted way is "not done" amidths those you have been raised and who populate this earth....and are in "power" but this accepting of yourself as you are and all your tools which has been given to you by Grace - and of course by your devotion in earlier lifes - radiates a certain aura of socalled arrogance. But its not..... fullpoint Starting to live to the fullest your socalled Ego is again a necessity before you are able and ready to let it go. So live your ego at its fullest and do whatever makes you happy. Knowing what makes you tick and giving your best while doing it..... thats a good way all the best in Sri Ramana Maharashi michael - rafaelstoneman Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:22 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Thank you for this post Sir.And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.In Ramana , "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp wrote:>> Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Bindel,> Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement.> > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry.Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry(Nija Vicharana).> > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@> wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Michael .. Ofcourse you are right....it needs more and more . love ramesh --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: The one and only purpose ! Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:27 PM Dear Ramesh why giving up your YOUR name Ramesh only when you are ready practically to live a life like our Sadguru Sri Ramana Maharshi could you practically give up your name.... i love your dreamlike qualitites.. .. but walking the way back home it nees "more" in gratitude michael - ramesh chivukula Friday, July 17, 2009 6:30 AM Re: The one and only purpose ! Yes Yosy back to the CORE OF THE BEING .... love ramesh , who would love to forget his given name forever ! --- On Fri, 7/17/09, yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il> wrote: yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il>Re: The one and only purpose !Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:54 AM ---- Original message ----> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT)> ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Re: The one and only purpose ! > >> >> Dear Michael .. > > Let me attempt to answer . Even when we are alone , > we are not lonely ..Our own Inner Self guides us > through ..That we reach the goal is already > predetermined ..the timing is not. Meanwhile when > we are stuck with this daily ROLE PLAYING ...all > kinds of sadhanas ( to each his own ...) make our > lives more tolerable , more interesting and more > worthwhile ..When the INTENT is strong enough ..the > GOAL cannot be far away ...But knowing the way is > not enough , as they say , we need to walk ALL THE > WAY ! > > love > > der dummkopf ramesh > > all the way where? In this center-less infinityStretching endlesslyEach and every pointLies reposingAt it's dead center.Dormant, recliningIn the eternalBeginning lessNow...alhamdulillah!yosy (no one in particular.. .)> > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Bindel > <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> wrote: > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> > Re: The > one and only purpose ! > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:09 PM > > > Dear Ramesh > > short and precise > but the question many on the way ask is > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > answering this would be of great help for the > honest seeker > > o r > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled > darkest hours to find our own way in our own > way??? > > > all the best > > michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > The one > and only purpose ! > > > "There is one thing in this world that must > never be forgotten. If you were to forget all > else, but did not forget that, then you would > have no reason to worry. But if you performed > and remembered everything else, yet forgot that > one thing, then you would have done nothing > whatsoever." - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to > understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it > spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: > 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00 >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 thank you Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:11:21 AMFw: Re: The one and only purpose ! Dear Rafael please send me the worddoc - am very interested regarding your mail which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. michael did not feel you as "arrogant" i felt you lived thru very much indeed, are highly intellectual with a high IQ, meaning: you have a good outlook on whats going on around yourself a n d you long for TRUTH this longing and your efforts finding it is in itself wonderful so living with this tools surrounded by so many robotlike socalled humans is in itself very demanding accepting yourself as you are at this moment is the basic you need to walk your way back home this accepting of yourself in an wholehearted way is "not done" amidths those you have been raised and who populate this earth....and are in "power" but this accepting of yourself as you are and all your tools which has been given to you by Grace - and of course by your devotion in earlier lifes - radiates a certain aura of socalled arrogance. But its not..... fullpoint Starting to live to the fullest your socalled Ego is again a necessity before you are able and ready to let it go. So live your ego at its fullest and do whatever makes you happy. Knowing what makes you tick and giving your best while doing it..... thats a good way all the best in Sri Ramana Maharashi michael - rafaelstoneman Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:22 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Thank you for this post Sir.And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.In Ramana, "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:>> Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Bindel,> Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement.> > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry. Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry( Nija Vicharana).> > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Thank you, Michael Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:11:21 AMFw: Re: The one and only purpose ! Dear Rafael please send me the worddoc - am very interested regarding your mail which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. michael did not feel you as "arrogant" i felt you lived thru very much indeed, are highly intellectual with a high IQ, meaning: you have a good outlook on whats going on around yourself a n d you long for TRUTH this longing and your efforts finding it is in itself wonderful so living with this tools surrounded by so many robotlike socalled humans is in itself very demanding accepting yourself as you are at this moment is the basic you need to walk your way back home this accepting of yourself in an wholehearted way is "not done" amidths those you have been raised and who populate this earth....and are in "power" but this accepting of yourself as you are and all your tools which has been given to you by Grace - and of course by your devotion in earlier lifes - radiates a certain aura of socalled arrogance. But its not..... fullpoint Starting to live to the fullest your socalled Ego is again a necessity before you are able and ready to let it go. So live your ego at its fullest and do whatever makes you happy. Knowing what makes you tick and giving your best while doing it..... thats a good way all the best in Sri Ramana Maharashi michael - rafaelstoneman Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:22 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Thank you for this post Sir.And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.In Ramana, "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:>> Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Bindel,> Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement.> > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry. Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry( Nija Vicharana).> > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 1 of 1 File(s) Inner Fruits of Desireless Action; Free Words from a Soldier in a Vanagon.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 thank you Rafael michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, July 17, 2009 8:24 PM Re: Re: The one and only purpose ! Thank you, Michael Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:11:21 AMFw: Re: The one and only purpose ! Dear Rafael please send me the worddoc - am very interested regarding your mail which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. michael did not feel you as "arrogant" i felt you lived thru very much indeed, are highly intellectual with a high IQ, meaning: you have a good outlook on whats going on around yourself a n d you long for TRUTH this longing and your efforts finding it is in itself wonderful so living with this tools surrounded by so many robotlike socalled humans is in itself very demanding accepting yourself as you are at this moment is the basic you need to walk your way back home this accepting of yourself in an wholehearted way is "not done" amidths those you have been raised and who populate this earth....and are in "power" but this accepting of yourself as you are and all your tools which has been given to you by Grace - and of course by your devotion in earlier lifes - radiates a certain aura of socalled arrogance. But its not..... fullpoint Starting to live to the fullest your socalled Ego is again a necessity before you are able and ready to let it go. So live your ego at its fullest and do whatever makes you happy. Knowing what makes you tick and giving your best while doing it..... thats a good way all the best in Sri Ramana Maharashi michael - rafaelstoneman Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:22 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Thank you for this post Sir.And thank you all for your tolerance and compassion for my postings, which it has been brought to my attention can be quite arrogant. I admit formally that I am in ego. I am even in competition of Ramana's love, which is quite impossible, as He loves all things equally. Although, I know the truth in words and thoughts and verbally and can articulate it or discern if someone else is off, I can not live it moment to moment in genuine presence. This is due to mental vasanas of having grown up with a desire to be famous. So thank you for all the truly humble people here that only want to be in God's heart and don't care about obtaining recognition for it. I am learning from you all. To meet this pain of seeing who one is clearly is something we all must go through, it's just taken me a bit longer than all of you.In Ramana, "drrajunsp" <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:>> Dr.Raju wrote:> > Dear Bindel,> Kindly go through my post and see whether it meets your > > requirement.> > Only in the mirror of relationship in the daily life we will come to know the latent tendencies hidden in the deeper unconscious layers at the conscious level.Many feel that there is no relationship between daily life and self-enquiry. Self-Enquiry is paying attention to the source of mind but mind strays if there are unspent latent tendencies.The tendencies will be spent only in the relationships of daily life.So we should not> run away from daily life and do self-enquiry in secluded place cross legged.Daily life is an opportunity to further our spiritual understanding> and to get mind centred in the self.As the tendencies are spent mind develops the capacity to abide in it's source.This is real > self-enquiry( Nija Vicharana).> > Thank you all~Dr.Raju.> > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.18/2243 - Release 07/17/09 06:08:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Namaste Anna having learned the hard way to accept the wisdom: "keep away from those who do not believe in spirituality" my words of course and thats why i accepted the fruitlessness of "talking" to those who are not able and ready to open and listen and its wonderful to see how Grace functions - when leaving others alone and tending to those who really want to listen realizing the TRUTH by living it from moment to moment IS the light which is the same as the sparkle of GD in yourself and myself be embraced and keep walking your walk with TRUST and inner joy michael - anabebe57 Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Indeed. Conversing/conversation itself implies/proves *separation*.Talking monkeys ;-) have little recourse but silence. And silence(in the sense of not speaking, not in the sense of the utter silence I am/you/we are), is quite improbable in this venue called the internet, especially.However, we do know of and meet in a transcendental reality that includes telepathy. That's exciting and fulfilling. it's seeing through a glass darkly that there IS light at the end of the tunnel.And we are it.Namaste,Anna , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>> Dear Anna> > you write> > To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*.> > as "i" identify only with IT - or whatever name you use for SELF GD LOVE ENERGY and so on....> there does not exist a separation between SELF and little i called this time michael.> But you know - am sure - that all words are just words and can never be understood if not all those who use it in a socalled discussion are sure that they mean the same.....> putting our inner belief in daily practice is that what counts - not endless talk about it....> > thank you like always for your contributions....> > > in GD i trust> > michael > > > - > anabebe57 > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:45 PM> Re: The one and only purpose !> > > , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@> wrote:> >> > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever !> >> > To say *IT*, however, implies a separation from Self and *IT*.> > As I Am.> > ~Anna> > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release 07/15/09 06:07:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release 07/16/09 05:58:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Michael I think, the answer is there, as you too see in the quote by Rumi and in the following quote by Ramesh. Your words make one think of it deeper and make those words even more transparent, and I appreciate that opportunity you create. I wonder if... Isn't daily life, just ideal/best/in-Self life, except when daily living conditions and daily living interactions make it otherwise? So daily living conditions and daily interactions must/have to be the way through which one has to muddle through to get to that which one's heart desires. The daily living conditions and interactions could be very bad, and they would remain that way so long as one " actively " participated in keeping them that way. How does one participate in one's own living in less than the ideal way while one's heart and perhaps words saying otherwise, saying things that the ideal is what one's wish is? I think it is by not seeing the disconnect between one's actions of willful participation in one's own squalor (Krishnamurti's word) and its contradiction with one's desire. The contradiction of one's own actions with one's own desire is not transparent to the doer. Why would one's own participation in contradiction not be apparent to oneself? It could be because as you said the " reflect-digest-accept " does not occur. Perhaps, it is the reflect itself that does not occur. Why does the " reflect " not occur? There is no space in which the reflection could occur when one is in the midst of being devoured by the thoughts. It is very interesting, and thankyou for the opportunity. Thanks Vrunda , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Ramesh > > short and precise > but the question many on the way ask is > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker > > o r > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? > > > all the best > > michael > > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > The one and only purpose ! > > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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