Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Michael I also wondered if it is not the case that - Daily interactions are shaped by the daily actions one decides to undertake, i.e., in the choices one enacts. The handshake between one with itself or one with another evolves/unfolds as the actions/choices/enactments determine. Prarabdha. Thanks Vrunda , " PV " <yvpy wrote: > > Hi Michael > I think, the answer is there, as you too see in the quote by Rumi and in the following quote by Ramesh. Your words make one think of it deeper and make those words even more transparent, and I appreciate that opportunity you create. > > I wonder if... > Isn't daily life, just ideal/best/in-Self life, except when daily living conditions and daily living interactions make it otherwise? So daily living conditions and daily interactions must/have to be the way through which one has to muddle through to get to that which one's heart desires. The daily living conditions and interactions could be very bad, and they would remain that way so long as one " actively " participated in keeping them that way. How does one participate in one's own living in less than the ideal way while one's heart and perhaps words saying otherwise, saying things that the ideal is what one's wish is? > > I think it is by not seeing the disconnect between one's actions of willful participation in one's own squalor (Krishnamurti's word) and its contradiction with one's desire. The contradiction of one's own actions with one's own desire is not transparent to the doer. Why would one's own participation in contradiction not be apparent to oneself? It could be because as you said the " reflect-digest-accept " does not occur. Perhaps, it is the reflect itself that does not occur. Why does the " reflect " not occur? There is no space in which the reflection could occur when one is in the midst of being devoured by the thoughts. > > It is very interesting, and thankyou for the opportunity. > > Thanks > Vrunda > > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh > > > > short and precise > > but the question many on the way ask is > > how tackle all obstacles in daily life? > > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker > > > > o r > > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way??? > > > > > > all the best > > > > michael > > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM > > The one and only purpose ! > > > > > > " There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever. " - Rumi > > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Vrunda Dear tku! we have to accept everything as Grace and learning not to desire in any form anything as better i put this in practice the more calm am i michael - PV Monday, July 20, 2009 4:54 PM Re: The one and only purpose ! Hi MichaelI also wondered if it is not the case that -Daily interactions are shaped by the daily actions one decides to undertake, i.e., in the choices one enacts. The handshake between one with itself or one with another evolves/unfolds as the actions/choices/enactments determine. Prarabdha.ThanksVrunda , "PV" <yvpy wrote:>> Hi Michael> I think, the answer is there, as you too see in the quote by Rumi and in the following quote by Ramesh. Your words make one think of it deeper and make those words even more transparent, and I appreciate that opportunity you create.> > I wonder if...> Isn't daily life, just ideal/best/in-Self life, except when daily living conditions and daily living interactions make it otherwise? So daily living conditions and daily interactions must/have to be the way through which one has to muddle through to get to that which one's heart desires. The daily living conditions and interactions could be very bad, and they would remain that way so long as one "actively" participated in keeping them that way. How does one participate in one's own living in less than the ideal way while one's heart and perhaps words saying otherwise, saying things that the ideal is what one's wish is? > > I think it is by not seeing the disconnect between one's actions of willful participation in one's own squalor (Krishnamurti's word) and its contradiction with one's desire. The contradiction of one's own actions with one's own desire is not transparent to the doer. Why would one's own participation in contradiction not be apparent to oneself? It could be because as you said the "reflect-digest-accept" does not occur. Perhaps, it is the reflect itself that does not occur. Why does the "reflect" not occur? There is no space in which the reflection could occur when one is in the midst of being devoured by the thoughts.> > It is very interesting, and thankyou for the opportunity.> > Thanks> Vrunda> > > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@> wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh> > > > short and precise> > but the question many on the way ask is> > how tackle all obstacles in daily life?> > answering this would be of great help for the honest seeker> > > > o r> > > > is it Grace that let us be alone in the socalled darkest hours to find our own way in our own way???> > > > > > all the best> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > ramesh chivukula > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:31 PM> > The one and only purpose !> > > > > > "There is one thing in this world that must never be forgotten. If you were to forget all else, but did not forget that, then you would have no reason to worry. But if you performed and remembered everything else, yet forgot that one thing, then you would have done nothing whatsoever." - Rumi> > > > There is only one purpose in Life - to understand the SELF intellectually , to feel it spiritually and lastly to ABIDE in IT forever !> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release 07/20/09 06:16:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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