Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Date:  Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) >  Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman >Subject:  Re: >To:  > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > Alan and Ramesh... > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the > account... I simply can not bear interacting right > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > truly want Liberation and only Liberation... not a > way to build a life and profit from Liberation... > > In Ramana, > > Rafael " Rafe " Stoneman yes... our life is our only message. moment to moment. Enlightenment Means Not describing Nor discussing What enlightenment Is. It is so simple It’s a shame to admit Even the lowest of the base Know it. Yet the most profound intellect Can but glimpse A mere reflection Of its depths. No amount of words Can describe the taste Of honey. Eat! The enlightened ask not They are The answer. jai ramanaji! gratefully, yosy > > --------------- > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > laughing at the word two > Only > > That Illumined > One > > Who keeps > Seducing the formless into form > > Had the charm to win my > Heart. > > Only a Perfect One > > Who is always > Laughing at the word > Two > > Can make you know > Of > Love. > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > 2009 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now... but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free thank you for your soothing wordless words... "yosyflug" <yosyflug Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PMRe: / rafe ---- Original message ---- > Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) > Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > > Re: > > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > Alan and Ramesh... > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the > account... I simply can not bear interacting right > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a > way to build a life and profit from Liberation.. . > > In Ramana, > > Rafael "Rafe" Stoneman yes... our life is our only message. moment to moment. Enlightenment Means Not describing Nor discussing What enlightenment Is. It is so simple It’s a shame to admit Even the lowest of the base Know it. Yet the most profound intellect Can but glimpse A mere reflection Of its depths. No amount of words Can describe the taste Of honey. Eat! The enlightened ask not They are The answer. jai ramanaji! gratefully, yosy > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > laughing at the word two > Only > > That Illumined > One > > Who keeps > Seducing the formless into form > > Had the charm to win my > Heart. > > Only a Perfect One > > Who is always > Laughing at the word > Two > > Can make you know > Of > Love. > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > 2009 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I do not understand, but of course I do not need to understand. Why are you a wretch, and if you are a wretch is anyone not a wretch and what is a wretch anyway and does it matter what a wretch is or is not, are they not labels anyway, like liberation and entitlement enlightenment? As Michael said a long time back, you are a really smart guy as is everyone else in the world, so why bother with words and why not just live life? Of course to ask a question right now, when no storm is brewing in my head is easy and when the storm is on, then a million mes will ask a million completely different questions, so just like one need not worry how to get to the limit (the mathematical limit), but know it exists and that when needed, when there is absolutely just rocks and hard places and no escapes, one knows one can " jump " to the limit, why not at other times just live " moment to moment " as the poet says? I'm not trying to be rude, or anything, its just that one wastes so much of life wanting to be something else. All the ones, twos, threes and manies are all within, so when the many are in full swing, one just has to take account of that and wait for the storm to pass as it does. And of course, since he is just Unconditional Love, one can in the storm from time to time, call out to him and say I really have no objections to you lending a hand in my awkward state right now. I really am not so stuck up I will not object and of course he smiles his wonderful smile and says, okay if you insist I'll give you a hand. A personal relationship is best and that is why perhaps the concept of devotee is so funny to me. Anyways, I am off to India on July 31 to learn yoga for real, which has been my lifelong dream. I also wondered if while at Ramanasram, would it make sense to prod into the fact that building houses on Arunachala is not the best idea since Arunachala is the concrete symbol, the place of/on Earth which has special significance and given Ramana Maharishi's known esteemed " status " all over the world, then for it (Arunachala) to " belong " to private houses is a bit absurd. Thanks very much all for such a wonderful Satsangha. I have been so unhappy and wanted happiness so very badly and now I can laugh at the word donkey without even batting an eyelid. Thankyou all. Vrunda , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now... > but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free > thank you for your soothing wordless words... > > > > > ________________________________ > " yosyflug " <yosyflug > > Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PM > Re: / rafe > >  > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date:  Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) > >  Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > > >Subject:  Re: > >To:  > > > > > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > > > Alan and Ramesh... > > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the > > account.... I simply can not bear interacting right > > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the > > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a > > way to build a life and profit from Liberation... . > > > > In Ramana, > > > > Rafael " Rafe " Stoneman > > > yes.... our life is our only message. moment to moment. > > > Enlightenment > Means > Not describing > Nor discussing > What enlightenment > Is. > It is so simple > It’s a shame to admit > Even the lowest of the base > Know it. > Yet the most profound intellect > Can but glimpse > A mere reflection > Of its depths. > No amount of words > Can describe the taste > Of honey. > Eat! > The enlightened ask not > They are > The answer. > > > jai ramanaji! > > gratefully, > yosy > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu> > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > > > > > laughing at the word two > > Only > > > > That Illumined > > One > > > > Who keeps > > Seducing the formless into form > > > > Had the charm to win my > > Heart. > > > > Only a Perfect One > > > > Who is always > > Laughing at the word > > Two > > > > Can make you know > > Of > > Love. > > > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > > 2009 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 the ego is a wretch if you don't mean to be rude how bout just not being rude the words you speak are to Your Self as these words I speak are to My Self we speak out the last trails of our vasanas until we only speak truth so let it be as it is and bow before Ramana the Supreme Master and pay no attention to a "wretch" like me PV <yvpy Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:59:42 PMRe: / rafe I do not understand, but of course I do not need to understand.Why are you a wretch, and if you are a wretch is anyone not a wretch and what is a wretch anyway and does it matter what a wretch is or is not, are they not labels anyway, like liberation and entitlement enlightenment?As Michael said a long time back, you are a really smart guy as is everyone else in the world, so why bother with words and why not just live life? Of course to ask a question right now, when no storm is brewing in my head is easy and when the storm is on, then a million mes will ask a million completely different questions, so just like one need not worry how to get to the limit (the mathematical limit), but know it exists and that when needed, when there is absolutely just rocks and hard places and no escapes, one knows one can "jump" to the limit, why not at other times just live "moment to moment" as the poet says?I'm not trying to be rude, or anything, its just that one wastes so much of life wanting to be something else. All the ones, twos, threes and manies are all within, so when the many are in full swing, one just has to take account of that and wait for the storm to pass as it does.And of course, since he is just Unconditional Love, one can in the storm from time to time, call out to him and say I really have no objections to you lending a hand in my awkward state right now. I really am not so stuck up I will not object and of course he smiles his wonderful smile and says, okay if you insist I'll give you a hand. A personal relationship is best and that is why perhaps the concept of devotee is so funny to me.Anyways, I am off to India on July 31 to learn yoga for real, which has been my lifelong dream. I also wondered if while at Ramanasram, would it make sense to prod into the fact that building houses on Arunachala is not the best idea since Arunachala is the concrete symbol, the place of/on Earth which has special significance and given Ramana Maharishi's known esteemed "status" all over the world, then for it (Arunachala) to "belong" to private houses is a bit absurd. Thanks very much all for such a wonderful Satsangha. I have been so unhappy and wanted happiness so very badly and now I can laugh at the word donkey without even batting an eyelid. Thankyou all.Vrunda, Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:>> yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now... > but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free> thank you for your soothing wordless words...> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> "yosyflug@.. ." <yosyflug@.. .>> > Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PM> Re: / rafe> >  > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date:  Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) > >  Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > > >Subject:  Re: > >To:  > > > > > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > > > Alan and Ramesh... > > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the > > account.... I simply can not bear interacting right > > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the > > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a > > way to build a life and profit from Liberation.. . . > > > > In Ramana, > > > > Rafael "Rafe" Stoneman > > > yes.... our life is our only message. moment to moment. > > > Enlightenment > Means > Not describing > Nor discussing > What enlightenment > Is. > It is so simple > It’s a shame to admit > Even the lowest of the base > Know it. > Yet the most profound intellect > Can but glimpse > A mere reflection > Of its depths. > No amount of words > Can describe the taste > Of honey. > Eat! > The enlightened ask not > They are > The answer. > > > jai ramanaji! > > gratefully, > yosy > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu> > > To: > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > > > > > laughing at the word two > > Only > > > > That Illumined > > One > > > > Who keeps > > Seducing the formless into form > > > > Had the charm to win my > > Heart. > > > > Only a Perfect One > > > > Who is always > > Laughing at the word > > Two > > > > Can make you know > > Of > > Love. > > > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > > 2009 > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Thankyou very much said in silence. , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > the ego is a wretch > if you don't mean to be rude > how bout just not being rude > the words you speak are to Your Self > as these words I speak are to My Self > we speak out the last trails of our vasanas > until we only speak truth > so let it be as it is > and bow before Ramana the Supreme Master > and pay no attention to a " wretch " like me > > > > > ________________________________ > PV <yvpy > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:59:42 PM > Re: / rafe > >  > I do not understand, but of course I do not need to understand. > Why are you a wretch, and if you are a wretch is anyone not a wretch and what is a wretch anyway and does it matter what a wretch is or is not, are they not labels anyway, like liberation and entitlement enlightenment? > > As Michael said a long time back, you are a really smart guy as is everyone else in the world, so why bother with words and why not just live life? Of course to ask a question right now, when no storm is brewing in my head is easy and when the storm is on, then a million mes will ask a million completely different questions, so just like one need not worry how to get to the limit (the mathematical limit), but know it exists and that when needed, when there is absolutely just rocks and hard places and no escapes, one knows one can " jump " to the limit, why not at other times just live " moment to moment " as the poet says? > > I'm not trying to be rude, or anything, its just that one wastes so much of life wanting to be something else. All the ones, twos, threes and manies are all within, so when the many are in full swing, one just has to take account of that and wait for the storm to pass as it does. > > And of course, since he is just Unconditional Love, one can in the storm from time to time, call out to him and say I really have no objections to you lending a hand in my awkward state right now. I really am not so stuck up I will not object and of course he smiles his wonderful smile and says, okay if you insist I'll give you a hand. A personal relationship is best and that is why perhaps the concept of devotee is so funny to me. > > Anyways, I am off to India on July 31 to learn yoga for real, which has been my lifelong dream. > > I also wondered if while at Ramanasram, would it make sense to prod into the fact that building houses on Arunachala is not the best idea since Arunachala is the concrete symbol, the place of/on Earth which has special significance and given Ramana Maharishi's known esteemed " status " all over the world, then for it (Arunachala) to " belong " to private houses is a bit absurd. > > Thanks very much all for such a wonderful Satsangha. I have been so unhappy and wanted happiness so very badly and now I can laugh at the word donkey without even batting an eyelid. > > Thankyou all. > Vrunda > > , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote: > > > > yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now... > > but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free > > thank you for your soothing wordless words... > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " yosyflug@ . " <yosyflug@ .> > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PM > > Re: / rafe > > > >  > > > > > > ---- Original message ---- > > >Date:  Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) > > >  Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > > > >Subject:  Re: > > >To:  > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > > > > > Alan and Ramesh... > > > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > > > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the > > > account.... I simply can not bear interacting right > > > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > > > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > > > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the > > > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > > > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > > > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > > > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > > > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > > > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > > > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > > > > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > > > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a > > > way to build a life and profit from Liberation.. . .. > > > > > > In Ramana, > > > > > > Rafael " Rafe " Stoneman > > > > > > yes.... our life is our only message. moment to moment. > > > > > > Enlightenment > > Means > > Not describing > > Nor discussing > > What enlightenment > > Is. > > It is so simple > > It’s a shame to admit > > Even the lowest of the base > > Know it. > > Yet the most profound intellect > > Can but glimpse > > A mere reflection > > Of its depths. > > No amount of words > > Can describe the taste > > Of honey. > > Eat! > > The enlightened ask not > > They are > > The answer. > > > > > > jai ramanaji! > > > > gratefully, > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > laughing at the word two > > > Only > > > > > > That Illumined > > > One > > > > > > Who keeps > > > Seducing the formless into form > > > > > > Had the charm to win my > > > Heart. > > > > > > Only a Perfect One > > > > > > Who is always > > > Laughing at the word > > > Two > > > > > > Can make you know > > > Of > > > Love. > > > > > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > > > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > > > > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > > > 2009 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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