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---- Original message ----

>Date:   Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT)

>   Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman

>Subject:   Re:

>To:  

>

>

>

> thanks for that Michael...

>

> Alan and Ramesh...

> I don't know if you'll be able to read my final

> sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the

> account... I simply can not bear interacting right

> now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't

> really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee...

> that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the

> non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of

> being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I

> thank you both for always staying true to Ramana,

> and never trying to be anything but pure, humble,

> graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting

> to show others that they are false... I'm laying

> that part of me at Ramana's feet.

>

> Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who

> truly want Liberation and only Liberation... not a

> way to build a life and profit from Liberation...

>

> In Ramana,

>

> Rafael " Rafe " Stoneman

 

 

:) yes... our life is our only message. moment to moment.

 

 

Enlightenment

Means

Not describing

Nor discussing

What enlightenment

Is.

It is so simple

It’s a shame to admit

Even the lowest of the base

Know it.

Yet the most profound intellect

Can but glimpse

A mere reflection

Of its depths.

No amount of words

Can describe the taste

Of honey.

Eat!

The enlightened ask not

They are

The answer.

 

 

jai ramanaji!

 

gratefully,

yosy

 

 

 

>

> ---------------

>

> Michael Bindel <michael..bindel

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM

>

>

>

> laughing at the word two

> Only

>

> That Illumined

> One

>

> Who keeps

> Seducing the formless into form

>

> Had the charm to win my

> Heart.

>

> Only a Perfect One

>

> Who is always

> Laughing at the word

> Two

>

> Can make you know

> Of

> Love.

>

> - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi

> Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky

>

> Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26,

> 2009

>

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yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now...

but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free

thank you for your soothing wordless words...

 

 

 

"yosyflug" <yosyflug Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PMRe: / rafe

---- Original message ---- > Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) > Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > > Re: > > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > Alan and Ramesh... > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the > account... I simply can not bear interacting right > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > that is a claim I am

willing to die with... all the > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a > way to build a life and profit from Liberation.. . > > In Ramana, > > Rafael "Rafe" Stoneman :) yes... our life is our only message. moment to moment. Enlightenment Means Not describing Nor discussing What enlightenment Is. It is so simple It’s a shame to admit Even the lowest of the base Know it. Yet the

most profound intellect Can but glimpse A mere reflection Of its depths. No amount of words Can describe the taste Of honey. Eat! The enlightened ask not They are The answer. jai ramanaji! gratefully, yosy > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > laughing at the word two > Only > > That Illumined > One > > Who

keeps > Seducing the formless into form > > Had the charm to win my > Heart. > > Only a Perfect One > > Who is always > Laughing at the word > Two > > Can make you know > Of > Love. > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > 2009 >

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I do not understand, but of course I do not need to understand.

Why are you a wretch, and if you are a wretch is anyone not a wretch and what is

a wretch anyway and does it matter what a wretch is or is not, are they not

labels anyway, like liberation and entitlement enlightenment?

 

As Michael said a long time back, you are a really smart guy as is everyone else

in the world, so why bother with words and why not just live life? Of course to

ask a question right now, when no storm is brewing in my head is easy and when

the storm is on, then a million mes will ask a million completely different

questions, so just like one need not worry how to get to the limit (the

mathematical limit), but know it exists and that when needed, when there is

absolutely just rocks and hard places and no escapes, one knows one can " jump "

to the limit, why not at other times just live " moment to moment " as the poet

says?

 

I'm not trying to be rude, or anything, its just that one wastes so much of life

wanting to be something else. All the ones, twos, threes and manies are all

within, so when the many are in full swing, one just has to take account of that

and wait for the storm to pass as it does.

 

And of course, since he is just Unconditional Love, one can in the storm from

time to time, call out to him and say I really have no objections to you lending

a hand in my awkward state right now. I really am not so stuck up I will not

object and of course he smiles his wonderful smile and says, okay if you insist

I'll give you a hand. A personal relationship is best and that is why perhaps

the concept of devotee is so funny to me.

 

Anyways, I am off to India on July 31 to learn yoga for real, which has been my

lifelong dream.

 

I also wondered if while at Ramanasram, would it make sense to prod into the

fact that building houses on Arunachala is not the best idea since Arunachala is

the concrete symbol, the place of/on Earth which has special significance and

given Ramana Maharishi's known esteemed " status " all over the world, then for it

(Arunachala) to " belong " to private houses is a bit absurd.

 

Thanks very much all for such a wonderful Satsangha. I have been so unhappy and

wanted happiness so very badly and now I can laugh at the word donkey without

even batting an eyelid.

 

Thankyou all.

Vrunda

 

, Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote:

>

> yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now...

> but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free

> thank you for your soothing wordless words...

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> " yosyflug " <yosyflug

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PM

> Re: / rafe

>

>  

>

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date:   Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT)

> >   Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ >

> >Subject:   Re:

> >To:  

> >

> >

> >

> > thanks for that Michael...

> >

> > Alan and Ramesh...

> > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final

> > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the

> > account.... I simply can not bear interacting right

> > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't

> > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee...

> > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the

> > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of

> > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I

> > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana,

> > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble,

> > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting

> > to show others that they are false... I'm laying

> > that part of me at Ramana's feet.

> >

> > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who

> > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a

> > way to build a life and profit from Liberation... .

> >

> > In Ramana,

> >

> > Rafael " Rafe " Stoneman

>

>

> :) yes.... our life is our only message. moment to moment.

>

>

> Enlightenment

> Means

> Not describing

> Nor discussing

> What enlightenment

> Is.

> It is so simple

> It’s a shame to admit

> Even the lowest of the base

> Know it.

> Yet the most profound intellect

> Can but glimpse

> A mere reflection

> Of its depths.

> No amount of words

> Can describe the taste

> Of honey.

> Eat!

> The enlightened ask not

> They are

> The answer.

>

>

> jai ramanaji!

>

> gratefully,

> yosy

>

>

>

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> >

> > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu>

> >

> > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > laughing at the word two

> > Only

> >

> > That Illumined

> > One

> >

> > Who keeps

> > Seducing the formless into form

> >

> > Had the charm to win my

> > Heart.

> >

> > Only a Perfect One

> >

> > Who is always

> > Laughing at the word

> > Two

> >

> > Can make you know

> > Of

> > Love.

> >

> > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi

> > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky

> >

> > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26,

> > 2009

> >

>

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the ego is a wretch

if you don't mean to be rude

how bout just not being rude

the words you speak are to Your Self

as these words I speak are to My Self

we speak out the last trails of our vasanas

until we only speak truth

so let it be as it is

and bow before Ramana the Supreme Master

and pay no attention to a "wretch" like me

 

 

 

PV <yvpy Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:59:42 PMRe: / rafe

I do not understand, but of course I do not need to understand.Why are you a wretch, and if you are a wretch is anyone not a wretch and what is a wretch anyway and does it matter what a wretch is or is not, are they not labels anyway, like liberation and entitlement enlightenment?As Michael said a long time back, you are a really smart guy as is everyone else in the world, so why bother with words and why not just live life? Of course to ask a question right now, when no storm is brewing in my head is easy and when the storm is on, then a million mes will ask a million completely different questions, so just like one need not worry how to get to the limit (the mathematical limit), but know it exists and that when needed, when there is absolutely just rocks and hard places and no escapes, one knows one can "jump" to the limit, why not at other times just live "moment to moment" as the poet says?I'm not trying to be rude, or

anything, its just that one wastes so much of life wanting to be something else. All the ones, twos, threes and manies are all within, so when the many are in full swing, one just has to take account of that and wait for the storm to pass as it does.And of course, since he is just Unconditional Love, one can in the storm from time to time, call out to him and say I really have no objections to you lending a hand in my awkward state right now. I really am not so stuck up I will not object and of course he smiles his wonderful smile and says, okay if you insist I'll give you a hand. A personal relationship is best and that is why perhaps the concept of devotee is so funny to me.Anyways, I am off to India on July 31 to learn yoga for real, which has been my lifelong dream. I also wondered if while at Ramanasram, would it make sense to prod into the fact that building houses on Arunachala is not the best idea since Arunachala is the

concrete symbol, the place of/on Earth which has special significance and given Ramana Maharishi's known esteemed "status" all over the world, then for it (Arunachala) to "belong" to private houses is a bit absurd. Thanks very much all for such a wonderful Satsangha. I have been so unhappy and wanted happiness so very badly and now I can laugh at the word donkey without even batting an eyelid. Thankyou all.Vrunda, Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:>> yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now... > but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free> thank you for your soothing wordless words...> > > > > ____________ _________ _________

__> "yosyflug@.. ." <yosyflug@.. .>> > Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PM> Re: / rafe> > Â > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date:Â Â Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Â Â Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ > > >Subject:Â Â Re: > >To:Â Â > > > > > > > > thanks for that Michael... > > > > Alan and Ramesh... > > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final > > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the

> > account.... I simply can not bear interacting right > > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't > > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee... > > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the > > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of > > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I > > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana, > > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble, > > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting > > to show others that they are false... I'm laying > > that part of me at Ramana's feet. > > > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who > > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a > > way to build a life and profit from Liberation.. . . > > > > In Ramana, > >

> > Rafael "Rafe" Stoneman > > > :) yes.... our life is our only message. moment to moment. > > > Enlightenment > Means > Not describing > Nor discussing > What enlightenment > Is. > It is so simple > It’s a shame to admit > Even the lowest of the base > Know it. > Yet the most profound intellect > Can but glimpse > A mere reflection > Of its depths. > No amount of words > Can describe the taste > Of honey. > Eat! > The enlightened ask not > They are > The answer. > > > jai ramanaji! > > gratefully, > yosy > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu> > > To:

> > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM > > > > > > > > laughing at the word two > > Only > > > > That Illumined > > One > > > > Who keeps > > Seducing the formless into form > > > > Had the charm to win my > > Heart. > > > > Only a Perfect One > > > > Who is always > > Laughing at the word > > Two > > > > Can make you know > > Of > > Love. > > > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi > > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky > > > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26, > > 2009 >

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said in silence.

 

 

, Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote:

>

> the ego is a wretch

> if you don't mean to be rude

> how bout just not being rude

> the words you speak are to Your Self

> as these words I speak are to My Self

> we speak out the last trails of our vasanas

> until we only speak truth

> so let it be as it is

> and bow before Ramana the Supreme Master

> and pay no attention to a " wretch " like me

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> PV <yvpy

>

> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:59:42 PM

> Re: / rafe

>

>  

> I do not understand, but of course I do not need to understand.

> Why are you a wretch, and if you are a wretch is anyone not a wretch and what

is a wretch anyway and does it matter what a wretch is or is not, are they not

labels anyway, like liberation and entitlement enlightenment?

>

> As Michael said a long time back, you are a really smart guy as is everyone

else in the world, so why bother with words and why not just live life? Of

course to ask a question right now, when no storm is brewing in my head is easy

and when the storm is on, then a million mes will ask a million completely

different questions, so just like one need not worry how to get to the limit

(the mathematical limit), but know it exists and that when needed, when there is

absolutely just rocks and hard places and no escapes, one knows one can " jump "

to the limit, why not at other times just live " moment to moment " as the poet

says?

>

> I'm not trying to be rude, or anything, its just that one wastes so much of

life wanting to be something else. All the ones, twos, threes and manies are all

within, so when the many are in full swing, one just has to take account of that

and wait for the storm to pass as it does.

>

> And of course, since he is just Unconditional Love, one can in the storm from

time to time, call out to him and say I really have no objections to you lending

a hand in my awkward state right now. I really am not so stuck up I will not

object and of course he smiles his wonderful smile and says, okay if you insist

I'll give you a hand. A personal relationship is best and that is why perhaps

the concept of devotee is so funny to me.

>

> Anyways, I am off to India on July 31 to learn yoga for real, which has been

my lifelong dream.

>

> I also wondered if while at Ramanasram, would it make sense to prod into the

fact that building houses on Arunachala is not the best idea since Arunachala is

the concrete symbol, the place of/on Earth which has special significance and

given Ramana Maharishi's known esteemed " status " all over the world, then for it

(Arunachala) to " belong " to private houses is a bit absurd.

>

> Thanks very much all for such a wonderful Satsangha. I have been so unhappy

and wanted happiness so very badly and now I can laugh at the word donkey

without even batting an eyelid.

>

> Thankyou all.

> Vrunda

>

> , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > yes. Yosy, I have been addicted to describing for a long time now...

> > but with steady devotion and inquiry even a wretch like me can be free

> > thank you for your soothing wordless words...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " yosyflug@ . " <yosyflug@ .>

> >

> > Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32:45 PM

> > Re: / rafe

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> > ---- Original message ----

> > >Date:   Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT)

> > >   Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ >

> > >Subject:   Re:

> > >To:  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for that Michael...

> > >

> > > Alan and Ramesh...

> > > I don't know if you'll be able to read my final

> > > sentiments on facebook as I deactivated the

> > > account.... I simply can not bear interacting right

> > > now with people that talk about Truth, but aren't

> > > really interested. I am a Ramana Maharshi devotee...

> > > that is a claim I am willing to die with... all the

> > > non dual talk and speaking from the standpoint of

> > > being realized (when one isn't) doesn't serve... I

> > > thank you both for always staying true to Ramana,

> > > and never trying to be anything but pure, humble,

> > > graceful devotees... I get too pulled into wanting

> > > to show others that they are false... I'm laying

> > > that part of me at Ramana's feet.

> > >

> > > Thank you Alan and Ramesh, and all those here who

> > > truly want Liberation and only Liberation.. . not a

> > > way to build a life and profit from Liberation.. . ..

> > >

> > > In Ramana,

> > >

> > > Rafael " Rafe " Stoneman

> >

> >

> > :) yes.... our life is our only message. moment to moment.

> >

> >

> > Enlightenment

> > Means

> > Not describing

> > Nor discussing

> > What enlightenment

> > Is.

> > It is so simple

> > It’s a shame to admit

> > Even the lowest of the base

> > Know it.

> > Yet the most profound intellect

> > Can but glimpse

> > A mere reflection

> > Of its depths.

> > No amount of words

> > Can describe the taste

> > Of honey.

> > Eat!

> > The enlightened ask not

> > They are

> > The answer.

> >

> >

> > jai ramanaji!

> >

> > gratefully,

> > yosy

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > >

> > > Michael Bindel <michael..bindel@ t-online. hu>

> > >

> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 10:31:06 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > laughing at the word two

> > > Only

> > >

> > > That Illumined

> > > One

> > >

> > > Who keeps

> > > Seducing the formless into form

> > >

> > > Had the charm to win my

> > > Heart.

> > >

> > > Only a Perfect One

> > >

> > > Who is always

> > > Laughing at the word

> > > Two

> > >

> > > Can make you know

> > > Of

> > > Love.

> > >

> > > - Hafiz, from The Gift - Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi

> > > Master, translation by Daniel Ladinsky

> > >

> > > Nonduality Highlights: Issue #3605, Sunday, July 26,

> > > 2009

> > >

> >

>

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