Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Cross post (with permission from: mysticheartmeditation/ Thanks to Bob Rose, President of The Meditation Society of America, I'm going to have to construct an updated model of how meditative practice 'lights up' the brain. He cited studies that show a balance of activity that is less right brain/left brain significant and more of a balance of insight and emotion in meditation and the onset of 'enlightenment'. This holds with my long held sense (and experience) that the ego is not annihilated in the enlightenment event - even though it feels threatened with annihilation, but rather is delighted with the new insight and wisdom... and actually feels as though it now has a new playmate of consciousness. The critical part - that is, the 'wisdom whisper from the heart', the central position, remains intact with the ancient yoga text and contemporary models (and personal experience). Back to the ego thing for a brief comment: While the ego is delighted with the new playmate, and the ego is now free of being on call 24/7 as the only 'way' to get through life, the ego does not entirely give up its long-held (before awakening) throne for long. The ego will rise again, and attempt to regain control if we are not consistent in our practice of enjoying the new freedom of awakening, and we do not allow negative emotion (especially anger and a lack of love toward all) to rear its ugly side. The good news is that it only takes a flashbulb of recognition that we've allowed negativity in to 'return' to the awakened state. As Ramana Maharshi taught, " Aspirants meditate to achieve (Self Realization) and awakened meditate to maintain. " One Love, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 in truth, can there ever be a division in Self? this ego we all speak of is an illusive appearance in Self so long as Self is ignorant of it's nature but do we really conceive of an actual tangible ego that is at work? As Ramana has revealed to this heart... Self uses ego veil for its own purpose Yet Self ever remains unveiled The rising again of ego is no concern much like the rising of the world events Self is Self with rising or no rising how could this ever be forgotten? mindgoal <jeff Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:57:28 AM A New Model Cross post (with permission from: http://groups. / group/mystichear tmeditation/Thanks to Bob Rose, Presidentof The Meditation Society ofAmerica, I'm going to have toconstruct an updated model ofhow meditative practice 'lightsup' the brain.He cited studies that show abalance of activity that isless right brain/left brainsignificant and more of a balance of insight and emotionin meditation and the onsetof 'enlightenment' .This holds with my long heldsense (and experience) thatthe ego is not annihilatedin the enlightenment event -even though it feels threatenedwith annihilation, but ratheris delighted with the newinsight and wisdom... andactually feels as thoughit now has a new playmateof consciousness.The critical part - that is,the 'wisdom whisper from theheart', the central position,remains intact with the ancientyoga text and contemporarymodels (and personal experience).Back to the ego thing for abrief comment:While the ego is delightedwith the new playmate, andthe ego is now free of beingon call 24/7 as the only 'way'to get through life, the egodoes not entirely give up itslong-held (before awakening)throne for long.The ego will rise again, andattempt to regain control ifwe are not consistent in ourpractice of enjoying the newfreedom of awakening, and wedo not allow negative emotion (especially anger and a lack of love toward all) to rear its ugly side.The good news is that it onlytakes a flashbulb of recognitionthat we've allowed negativityin to 'return' to the awakenedstate.As Ramana Maharshi taught,"Aspirants meditate to achieve(Self Realization) and awakenedmeditate to maintain."One Love,Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > in truth, can there ever be a division in Self? > this ego we all speak of is an illusive appearance in Self > so long as Self is ignorant of it's nature > but do we really conceive of an actual tangible ego that is at work? > As Ramana has revealed to this heart... > Self uses ego veil for its own purpose > Yet Self ever remains unveiled > > The rising again of ego is no concern > much like the rising of the world events > Self is Self with rising or no rising > how could this ever be forgotten? > > > > It is the shift from the " I' consciousness to the " I-I' as Ramana taught (and many have experienced). The word play of illusive or ignorance are only that. Of course, Self is never forgotten...except in the day-to-day reality that we experience we do not live consistantly in the ideal philosophy and 'ego' sneaks up on occasion. The use of absolute and relative language out of ocntext can cause confusion, but to deny existence as it is only adds to confusion. > ________________________________ > mindgoal <jeff > > Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:57:28 AM > A New Model > > > Cross post (with permission from: > > http://groups. / group/mystichear tmeditation/ > > Thanks to Bob Rose, President > of The Meditation Society of > America, I'm going to have to > construct an updated model of > how meditative practice 'lights > up' the brain. > > He cited studies that show a > balance of activity that is > less right brain/left brain > significant and more of a > balance of insight and emotion > in meditation and the onset > of 'enlightenment' . > > This holds with my long held > sense (and experience) that > the ego is not annihilated > in the enlightenment event - > even though it feels threatened > with annihilation, but rather > is delighted with the new > insight and wisdom... and > actually feels as though > it now has a new playmate > of consciousness. > > The critical part - that is, > the 'wisdom whisper from the > heart', the central position, > remains intact with the ancient > yoga text and contemporary > models (and personal experience). > > Back to the ego thing for a > brief comment: > > While the ego is delighted > with the new playmate, and > the ego is now free of being > on call 24/7 as the only 'way' > to get through life, the ego > does not entirely give up its > long-held (before awakening) > throne for long. > > The ego will rise again, and > attempt to regain control if > we are not consistent in our > practice of enjoying the new > freedom of awakening, and we > do not allow negative emotion > (especially anger and a lack > of love toward all) to rear > its ugly side. > > The good news is that it only > takes a flashbulb of recognition > that we've allowed negativity > in to 'return' to the awakened > state. > > As Ramana Maharshi taught, > " Aspirants meditate to achieve > (Self Realization) and awakened > meditate to maintain. " > > One Love, > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 well said... i've found that daily existence makes it easier to stay in Self... especially manual labor jobs... where one's focus is only on the simple act at hand with no room to intellectualize, conceptualize and fantasize... mindgoal <jeff Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:20:31 AMRe: A New Model , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:>> in truth, can there ever be a division in Self?> this ego we all speak of is an illusive appearance in Self > so long as Self is ignorant of it's nature> but do we really conceive of an actual tangible ego that is at work?> As Ramana has revealed to this heart...> Self uses ego veil for its own purpose> Yet Self ever remains unveiled> > The rising again of ego is no concern> much like the rising of the world events> Self is Self with rising or no rising> how could this ever be forgotten?> > > > It is the shift from the "I' consciousnessto the "I-I' as Ramana taught (and manyhave experienced) . The word play of illusiveor ignorance are only that.Of course, Self is never forgotten... exceptin the day-to-day reality that we experiencewe do not live consistantly in the idealphilosophy and 'ego' sneaks up on occasion.The use of absolute and relative languageout of ocntext can cause confusion, but to deny existence as it is only adds to confusion.> ____________ _________ _________ __> mindgoal <jeff> > Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:57:28 AM> A New Model> > > Cross post (with permission from: > > http://groups. / group/mystichear tmeditation/> > Thanks to Bob Rose, President> of The Meditation Society of> America, I'm going to have to> construct an updated model of> how meditative practice 'lights> up' the brain.> > He cited studies that show a> balance of activity that is> less right brain/left brain> significant and more of a > balance of insight and emotion> in meditation and the onset> of 'enlightenment' .> > This holds with my long held> sense (and experience) that> the ego is not annihilated> in the enlightenment event -> even though it feels threatened> with annihilation, but rather> is delighted with the new> insight and wisdom... and> actually feels as though> it now has a new playmate> of consciousness.> > The critical part - that is,> the 'wisdom whisper from the> heart', the central position,> remains intact with the ancient> yoga text and contemporary> models (and personal experience).> > Back to the ego thing for a> brief comment:> > While the ego is delighted> with the new playmate, and> the ego is now free of being> on call 24/7 as the only 'way'> to get through life, the ego> does not entirely give up its> long-held (before awakening)> throne for long.> > The ego will rise again, and> attempt to regain control if> we are not consistent in our> practice of enjoying the new> freedom of awakening, and we> do not allow negative emotion > (especially anger and a lack > of love toward all) to rear > its ugly side.> > The good news is that it only> takes a flashbulb of recognition> that we've allowed negativity> in to 'return' to the awakened> state.> > As Ramana Maharshi taught,> "Aspirants meditate to achieve> (Self Realization) and awakened> meditate to maintain."> > One Love,> > Jeff> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yes, good point. Staying in the meditative quiet of a simple act and simply enjoying it keeps Self in the pristine present moment. , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > well said... i've found that daily existence makes it easier to stay in Self... especially manual labor jobs... where one's focus is only on the simple act at hand with no room to intellectualize, conceptualize and fantasize.... > > > > > ________________________________ > mindgoal <jeff > > Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:20:31 AM > Re: A New Model > > > , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote: > > > > in truth, can there ever be a division in Self? > > this ego we all speak of is an illusive appearance in Self > > so long as Self is ignorant of it's nature > > but do we really conceive of an actual tangible ego that is at work? > > As Ramana has revealed to this heart... > > Self uses ego veil for its own purpose > > Yet Self ever remains unveiled > > > > The rising again of ego is no concern > > much like the rising of the world events > > Self is Self with rising or no rising > > how could this ever be forgotten? > > > > > > > > > > It is the shift from the " I' consciousness > to the " I-I' as Ramana taught (and many > have experienced) . The word play of illusive > or ignorance are only that. > > Of course, Self is never forgotten... except > in the day-to-day reality that we experience > we do not live consistantly in the ideal > philosophy and 'ego' sneaks up on occasion. > > The use of absolute and relative language > out of ocntext can cause confusion, but to > deny existence as it is only adds to confusion. > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mindgoal <jeff@> > > > > Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:57:28 AM > > A New Model > > > > > > Cross post (with permission from: > > > > http://groups. / group/mystichear tmeditation/ > > > > Thanks to Bob Rose, President > > of The Meditation Society of > > America, I'm going to have to > > construct an updated model of > > how meditative practice 'lights > > up' the brain. > > > > He cited studies that show a > > balance of activity that is > > less right brain/left brain > > significant and more of a > > balance of insight and emotion > > in meditation and the onset > > of 'enlightenment' . > > > > This holds with my long held > > sense (and experience) that > > the ego is not annihilated > > in the enlightenment event - > > even though it feels threatened > > with annihilation, but rather > > is delighted with the new > > insight and wisdom... and > > actually feels as though > > it now has a new playmate > > of consciousness. > > > > The critical part - that is, > > the 'wisdom whisper from the > > heart', the central position, > > remains intact with the ancient > > yoga text and contemporary > > models (and personal experience). > > > > Back to the ego thing for a > > brief comment: > > > > While the ego is delighted > > with the new playmate, and > > the ego is now free of being > > on call 24/7 as the only 'way' > > to get through life, the ego > > does not entirely give up its > > long-held (before awakening) > > throne for long. > > > > The ego will rise again, and > > attempt to regain control if > > we are not consistent in our > > practice of enjoying the new > > freedom of awakening, and we > > do not allow negative emotion > > (especially anger and a lack > > of love toward all) to rear > > its ugly side. > > > > The good news is that it only > > takes a flashbulb of recognition > > that we've allowed negativity > > in to 'return' to the awakened > > state. > > > > As Ramana Maharshi taught, > > " Aspirants meditate to achieve > > (Self Realization) and awakened > > meditate to maintain. " > > > > One Love, > > > > Jeff > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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