Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because we know all is Self"... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM to all concerned Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 When inward alignment occurs amidst the chaotic external environment , all the so-called social and best standards of behaviour will fall in place. even if it does not ; it would never matter ..Take the case of Sri Seshadri Swamigal , a contemporary of Bhagavan Ramana ( they respected each other ) . He was considered by many to be a cranky person ; but then we know otherwise. One can be attired in a stinking torn dhothi and be blissfully free.... all love --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindel to all concerned Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 8:44 PM Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Dear Ramesh what you stated is exactyl what michael "feels" meaning authenticity tells me what "right or wrong" or even more precise what one "has to do" must be in accordance with the INNERLIGHT whenever a question arrives how to "behave" the way inward to INNER LIGHT and the "check" how do the different options "feel" is at least for this being t h e w a y and dear friend "strangely" this never failed "me" afterwards bliss always was felt in ITS Grace yours always michael - ramesh chivukula Friday, September 04, 2009 6:39 PM Re: to all concerned When inward alignment occurs amidst the chaotic external environment , all the so-called social and best standards of behaviour will fall in place. even if it does not ; it would never matter ..Take the case of Sri Seshadri Swamigal , a contemporary of Bhagavan Ramana ( they respected each other ) . He was considered by many to be a cranky person ; but then we know otherwise. One can be attired in a stinking torn dhothi and be blissfully free.... all love --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> to all concerned Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 8:44 PM Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 sorry Rafi your answer is at the moment not understood try to put in other words tku in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM Re: to all concerned As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because we know all is Self"... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM to all concerned Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in the check out line at the supermarket... not to say that if one does, they are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'... Self seems disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization... but as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live amongst others in such a natural way... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AMRe: to all concerned sorry Rafi your answer is at the moment not understood try to put in other words tku in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM Re: to all concerned As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because we know all is Self"... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM to all concerned Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Dear Rafe the real question behind all this... could be how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward..... please elaborate..... if possible b u t as practical as possible..... in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM Re: to all concerned just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in the check out line at the supermarket... not to say that if one does, they are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'... Self seems disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization... but as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live amongst others in such a natural way... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AMRe: to all concerned sorry Rafi your answer is at the moment not understood try to put in other words tku in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM Re: to all concerned As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because we know all is Self"... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM to all concerned Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my take on the whole topic. This sentence came into the discussion because i had posted a poem that was written from the standpoint of pure Advaita. Some felt it was important to point out that nevertheless we have to function in a society context and it was said that Sri Ramana Maharshi said so too. When people " discover " spiritual practice many tend to create a certain mind concept. They believe now that they´ve found " the path " , nothing else matters any longer. They tend to neglect their work, their family, their duties and their excuse usually is that the spiritual path requires for them to meditate all day or sit with a guru and everybody - in their eyes - has to understand that they now have found " something better " and " something more important " than paying taxes and working and cleaning their home and since all that is only an illusion, why bother anyway? For those kind of people in those kinds of context it makes sense - for me- that a master would point out that spiritual practice can be done entirely inwardly and this practice is completely compatible with a normal life, with normal work schedules, with normal family obligations and with a regular life in society and that spiritual practice can´t be used as an excuse to " escape " all the things in a regular life that we don´t like, quite the contrary. love all-ways mia 2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel: > > > Dear Rafe > > the real question behind all this... could be > > how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY > knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward..... > > please elaborate..... > if possible > > b u t > > as practical as possible..... > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > michael > > > > - > Rafe Stoneman > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM > Re: to all concerned > > > just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in > the check out line at the supermarket... not to say that if one does, they > are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'... Self seems > disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization... but > as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never > really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates > on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as > we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He > never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live > amongst others in such a natural way... > > ________________________________ > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel > > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM > Re: to all concerned > > > > sorry Rafi > your answer is at the moment not understood > try to put in other words > > tku > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > michael > > - > Rafe Stoneman > > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM > Re: to all concerned > > > As Gopi told in India: " we don't drive into on comming traffic just because > we know all is Self " ... > > ________________________________ > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu> > > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM > to all concerned > > > > Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with > > outword behaviour must conform with the best > standards of the society into which we are placed > > > because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily > misinterepreted > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > > ________________________________ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 > 05:51:00 > > ________________________________ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 > 05:51:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 My dear Michaela, In my opinion you are quite right. Inner freedom can be maintained while performing ll the necessary duties preordained by Destiny such as work, looking after a family etc. etc., simply by casting the whole burden on The Self, God, the Guru, or which ever word with which you resonate best to express the inexpressible Great Power which is within you. Unfortunately it is veiled by the latent tendencies, ego, conditioning etc. which is why the sadhana of meditation, stillness, Self Enquiry and Surrender are essential. Bhagavan stresses over and over again with different metaphors that only a fool carries his burden when he enters the spiritual life. He should place ihis luggage on the rack and enjoy the train ride to its final destination of Sat Chit Ananda! All love and blessings, In His Grace, Alan--- On Fri, 4/9/09, michaela friedrich <astrofuerte wrote: michaela friedrich <astrofuerteRe: to all concerned Date: Friday, 4 September, 2009, 7:39 PM Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my take on the whole topic.This sentence came into the discussion because i had posted a poemthat was writtenfrom the standpoint of pure Advaita.Some felt it was important to point out that nevertheless we have to functionin a society context and it was said that Sri Ramana Maharshi said so too.When people "discover" spiritual practice many tend to create acertain mind concept.They believe now that they´ve found "the path", nothing else matters any longer.They tend to neglect their work, their family, their duties and theirexcuse usually isthat the spiritual path requires for them to meditate all day or sitwith a guruand everybody - in their eyes - has to understand that they now havefound " something better"and "something more important" than paying taxes and working andcleaning their homeand since all that is only an illusion, why bother anyway?For those kind of people in those kinds of context it makes sense -for me- that a master wouldpoint out that spiritual practice can be done entirely inwardly andthis practice is completely compatiblewith a normal life, with normal work schedules, with normal familyobligations and with a regular life in societyand that spiritual practice can´t be used as an excuse to "escape" allthe things in a regular life that we don´t like,quite the contrary.love all-waysmia2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>:>>> Dear Rafe>> the real question behind all this... could be>> how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY> knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward.....>> please elaborate... ..> if possible>> b u t>> as practical as possible.... .>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>>>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in> the check out line at the supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they> are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems> disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but> as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never> really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates> on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as> we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He> never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live> amongst others in such a natural way...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM> Re: to all concerned>>>> sorry Rafi> your answer is at the moment not understood> try to put in other words>> tku>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because> we know all is Self"...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM> to all concerned>>>> Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with>> outword behaviour must conform with the best> standards of the society into which we are placed>>> because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily> misinterepreted>>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>>> michael>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 quite the contrary... i say you are rafe... or is that breaking the code of not applying non duality in every day life... ... just having fun, not at anyone else's expense i hope and pray... michaela friedrich <astrofuerte Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 11:39:48 AMRe: to all concerned Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my take on the whole topic.This sentence came into the discussion because i had posted a poemthat was writtenfrom the standpoint of pure Advaita.Some felt it was important to point out that nevertheless we have to functionin a society context and it was said that Sri Ramana Maharshi said so too.When people "discover" spiritual practice many tend to create acertain mind concept.They believe now that they´ve found "the path", nothing else matters any longer.They tend to neglect their work, their family, their duties and theirexcuse usually isthat the spiritual path requires for them to meditate all day or sitwith a guruand everybody - in their eyes - has to understand that they now havefound " something better"and "something more important" than paying taxes and working andcleaning their homeand since all that is only an illusion, why bother anyway?For those kind of people in those kinds of context it makes sense -for me- that a master wouldpoint out that spiritual practice can be done entirely inwardly andthis practice is completely compatiblewith a normal life, with normal work schedules, with normal familyobligations and with a regular life in societyand that spiritual practice can´t be used as an excuse to "escape" allthe things in a regular life that we don´t like,quite the contrary.love all-waysmia2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>:>>> Dear Rafe>> the real question behind all this... could be>> how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY> knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward.....>> please elaborate... ..> if possible>> b u t>> as practical as possible.... .>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>>>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in> the check out line at the supermarket. ... not to say that if one does, they> are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems> disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but> as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never> really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates> on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as> we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He> never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live> amongst others in such a natural way...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM> Re: to all concerned>>>> sorry Rafi> your answer is at the moment not understood> try to put in other words>> tku>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because> we know all is Self"....>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM> to all concerned>>>> Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with>> outword behaviour must conform with the best> standards of the society into which we are placed>>> because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily> misinterepreted>>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>>> michael>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 there is no one set answer that can be given... to each the Self reveals Divine Purpose which can not be conferred or validated by another when I trimmed trees, I was a tree trimmer when I was in the Army, I was a soldier when I go to college, I am a student when I am with my kids, I am a father throughout all of these conditions, I am Self But alas, for the shining supreme Self without attributes who can dictate policy... If there was any doubt in young Venkataraman's mind about quitting school and abandoning home at the age of 16... that doubt would be attributed to his Prabaradha karma but alas, all doubts were schewed and so we are here on satsang because of His Grace and veiless action But His life is only relevant so as we may live our true life beyond the circumstances while in them and free from creating new cravings for experience in time... Forgive the spelling errors, and Michael, I did my best to keep it practical and simple... but the fingers took over and what comes comes... who is there to edit? The rider of Yosi's dead donkey- Rafael, Rafe, Mr. Stoneman, or just plain Ass... Michael Bindel <michael.bindelSent: Friday, September 4, 2009 11:17:54 AMRe: to all concerned Dear Rafe the real question behind all this... could be how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward..... please elaborate... .. if possible b u t as practical as possible.... . in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM Re: to all concerned just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in the check out line at the supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live amongst others in such a natural way... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AMRe: to all concerned sorry Rafi your answer is at the moment not understood try to put in other words tku in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM Re: to all concerned As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because we know all is Self"... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM to all concerned Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 One who says he has found IT and hence has no need to pay taxes - that one is neither here no there but in a state o stupendous delusion... Anyways , we need not concern ourselves with such enlightened ones! We have our task set out for us . all love --- On Sat, 9/5/09, michaela friedrich <astrofuerte wrote: michaela friedrich <astrofuerteRe: to all concerned Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 12:09 AM Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my take on the whole topic.This sentence came into the discussion because i had posted a poemthat was writtenfrom the standpoint of pure Advaita.Some felt it was important to point out that nevertheless we have to functionin a society context and it was said that Sri Ramana Maharshi said so too.When people "discover" spiritual practice many tend to create acertain mind concept.They believe now that they´ve found "the path", nothing else matters any longer.They tend to neglect their work, their family, their duties and theirexcuse usually isthat the spiritual path requires for them to meditate all day or sitwith a guruand everybody - in their eyes - has to understand that they now havefound " something better"and "something more important" than paying taxes and working andcleaning their homeand since all that is only an illusion, why bother anyway?For those kind of people in those kinds of context it makes sense -for me- that a master wouldpoint out that spiritual practice can be done entirely inwardly andthis practice is completely compatiblewith a normal life, with normal work schedules, with normal familyobligations and with a regular life in societyand that spiritual practice can´t be used as an excuse to "escape" allthe things in a regular life that we don´t like,quite the contrary.love all-waysmia2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>:>>> Dear Rafe>> the real question behind all this... could be>> how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY> knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward.....>> please elaborate... ..> if possible>> b u t>> as practical as possible.... .>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>>>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in> the check out line at the supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they> are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems> disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but> as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never> really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates> on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as> we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He> never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live> amongst others in such a natural way...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM> Re: to all concerned>>>> sorry Rafi> your answer is at the moment not understood> try to put in other words>> tku>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because> we know all is Self"...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM> to all concerned>>>> Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with>> outword behaviour must conform with the best> standards of the society into which we are placed>>> because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily> misinterepreted>>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>>> michael>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 is not just reading what you wrote like paying tax... ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:53:56 PMRe: to all concerned One who says he has found IT and hence has no need to pay taxes - that one is neither here no there but in a state o stupendous delusion... Anyways , we need not concern ourselves with such enlightened ones! We have our task set out for us . all love --- On Sat, 9/5/09, michaela friedrich <astrofuerte@ gmail.com> wrote: michaela friedrich <astrofuerte@ gmail.com>Re: to all concernedSaturday, September 5, 2009, 12:09 AM Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my take on the whole topic.This sentence came into the discussion because i had posted a poemthat was writtenfrom the standpoint of pure Advaita.Some felt it was important to point out that nevertheless we have to functionin a society context and it was said that Sri Ramana Maharshi said so too.When people "discover" spiritual practice many tend to create acertain mind concept.They believe now that they´ve found "the path", nothing else matters any longer.They tend to neglect their work, their family, their duties and theirexcuse usually isthat the spiritual path requires for them to meditate all day or sitwith a guruand everybody - in their eyes - has to understand that they now havefound " something better"and "something more important" than paying taxes and working andcleaning their homeand since all that is only an illusion, why bother anyway?For those kind of people in those kinds of context it makes sense -for me- that a master wouldpoint out that spiritual practice can be done entirely inwardly andthis practice is completely compatiblewith a normal life, with normal work schedules, with normal familyobligations and with a regular life in societyand that spiritual practice can´t be used as an excuse to "escape" allthe things in a regular life that we don´t like,quite the contrary.love all-waysmia2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>:>>> Dear Rafe>> the real question behind all this... could be>> how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY> knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward.....>> please elaborate... ..> if possible>> b u t>> as practical as possible.... .>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>>>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in> the check out line at the supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they> are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems> disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but> as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never> really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates> on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as> we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He> never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live> amongst others in such a natural way...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM> Re: to all concerned>>>> sorry Rafi> your answer is at the moment not understood> try to put in other words>> tku>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because> we know all is Self"...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM> to all concerned>>>> Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with>> outword behaviour must conform with the best> standards of the society into which we are placed>>> because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily> misinterepreted>>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>>> michael>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:17:41 -0700 (PDT) >Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman >Re: to all concerned > > > > > there is no one set answer that can be given... > > to each the Self reveals Divine Purpose which can > not be conferred or validated by another > > when I trimmed trees, I was a tree trimmer > when I was in the Army, I was a soldier > when I go to college, I am a student > when I am with my kids, I am a father > > throughout all of these conditions, > I am Self > > But alas, for the shining supreme Self without > attributes > who can dictate policy... > > If there was any doubt in young Venkataraman's mind > about quitting school and abandoning home at the age > of 16... that doubt would be attributed to his > Prabaradha karma > but alas, all doubts were schewed > > and so we are here on satsang because of His > Grace and veiless action > > But His life is only relevant so as we may live our > true life beyond the circumstances while in them > and free from creating new cravings for experience > in time... > > Forgive the spelling errors, and Michael, I did my > best to keep it practical and simple... but the > fingers took over and what comes comes... who is > there to edit? > > The rider of Yosi's dead donkey- Rafael, Rafe, Mr. > Stoneman, or just plain Ass... > > nasrudin's donkey, frightened by something on the road, opened a fast run carrying nasrudin. seeing this, the villagers started laughing, and some yelled: " what happened, nasrudin? where are you going in such a hurry?! " " i have no idea! " shouted nasrudin back, " ask my donkey! " yosy's donkey brought me to some strangest places... never mind. luckily i is not... personal, in any case. the all containing, timeless, glorious inexplicable self is all that is - or/and is not... who worries? all is just as it should be, alhamdulillah! ramadan mubarak and shabbat shalom all, yosy (who/whatever) nnb --------------- > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel > > Friday, September 4, 2009 11:17:54 AM > Re: to all > concerned > > > Dear Rafe > > the real question behind all this... could be > > how to put in practice our inner knowledge of > NONDUALITY > knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not > outward..... > > please elaborate... .. > if possible > > b u t > > as practical as possible.... . > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > michael > > > > - > Rafe Stoneman > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM > Re: to all > concerned > > > just because we know duality is an illustion does > not mean that urinate in the check out line at the > supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they > are not Self ... but for lives being lived in > 'normalcy'.. . Self seems disinterested in any > strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. > .. but as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be > quite deceptive... mind never really needs to > concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self > generates on its own all demonstrations in > accordance with Its own nature... just as we don't > 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make > Ramana a Guru... He never sought any attention... > Self was simply compassionate enough to live > amongst others in such a natural way... > > --------------- > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. > hu> > > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM > Re: to all > concerned > > > sorry Rafi > your answer is at the moment not understood > try to put in other words > > tku > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > michael > > - > Rafe Stoneman > > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM > Re: to > all concerned > > > As Gopi told in India: " we don't drive into on > comming traffic just because we know all is > Self " ... > > --------------- > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. > hu> > > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM > to all > concerned > > > Please explain as down to earth as possible what > is meant with > > outword behaviour must conform with the best > standards of the society into which we are placed > > > because everything on earth said written spoken > is sooo easily misinterepreted > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:53:56 -0700 (PDT) >ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv >Re: to all concerned > > > > > One who says he has found IT and hence has no need > to pay taxes - that one is neither here no there > but in a state o stupendous delusion... > > Anyways , we need not concern ourselves with such > enlightened ones! > We have our task set out for us . > > all love the hardest illusion to overcome is the delusion of disillusionment... how can the truth be found? it was never lost! shabbat shalom and ramadan mubarak all, yosy nnb > > --- On Sat, 9/5/09, michaela friedrich > <astrofuerte wrote: > > michaela friedrich <astrofuerte > Re: to all > concerned > > Saturday, September 5, 2009, 12:09 AM > > > Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my > take on the whole topic. > This sentence came into the discussion because i > had posted a poem > that was written > from the standpoint of pure Advaita. > Some felt it was important to point out that > nevertheless we have to function > in a society context and it was said that Sri > Ramana Maharshi said so too. > When people " discover " spiritual practice many > tend to create a > certain mind concept. > They believe now that they´ve found " the path " , > nothing else matters any longer. > They tend to neglect their work, their family, > their duties and their > excuse usually is > that the spiritual path requires for them to > meditate all day or sit > with a guru > and everybody - in their eyes - has to understand > that they now have > found " something better " > and " something more important " than paying taxes > and working and > cleaning their home > and since all that is only an illusion, why bother > anyway? > For those kind of people in those kinds of context > it makes sense - > for me- that a master would > point out that spiritual practice can be done > entirely inwardly and > this practice is completely compatible > with a normal life, with normal work schedules, > with normal family > obligations and with a regular life in society > and that spiritual practice can´t be used as an > excuse to " escape " all > the things in a regular life that we don´t like, > quite the contrary. > > love all-ways > mia > > 2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. > hu>: > > > > > > Dear Rafe > > > > the real question behind all this... could be > > > > how to put in practice our inner knowledge of > NONDUALITY > > knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and > not outward..... > > > > please elaborate... .. > > if possible > > > > b u t > > > > as practical as possible.... . > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > michael > > <courtesy snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Dear Alan blessed you are being of such a wonderful help for those who are ready for it because "help" depends foremost or absolutely on the readiness to be helped and what helped is "greater" than trusting completely without any doubt in GD?????? shabbat shalom michael - Alan Jacobs Friday, September 04, 2009 8:54 PM Re: to all concerned My dear Michaela, In my opinion you are quite right. Inner freedom can be maintained while performing ll the necessary duties preordained by Destiny such as work, looking after a family etc. etc., simply by casting the whole burden on The Self, God, the Guru, or which ever word with which you resonate best to express the inexpressible Great Power which is within you. Unfortunately it is veiled by the latent tendencies, ego, conditioning etc. which is why the sadhana of meditation, stillness, Self Enquiry and Surrender are essential. Bhagavan stresses over and over again with different metaphors that only a fool carries his burden when he enters the spiritual life. He should place ihis luggage on the rack and enjoy the train ride to its final destination of Sat Chit Ananda! All love and blessings, In His Grace, Alan--- On Fri, 4/9/09, michaela friedrich <astrofuerte > wrote: michaela friedrich <astrofuerte >Re: to all concerned Date: Friday, 4 September, 2009, 7:39 PM Michael, i´m not Rafe obviously, but this is my take on the whole topic.This sentence came into the discussion because i had posted a poemthat was writtenfrom the standpoint of pure Advaita.Some felt it was important to point out that nevertheless we have to functionin a society context and it was said that Sri Ramana Maharshi said so too.When people "discover" spiritual practice many tend to create acertain mind concept.They believe now that they´ve found "the path", nothing else matters any longer.They tend to neglect their work, their family, their duties and theirexcuse usually isthat the spiritual path requires for them to meditate all day or sitwith a guruand everybody - in their eyes - has to understand that they now havefound " something better"and "something more important" than paying taxes and working andcleaning their homeand since all that is only an illusion, why bother anyway?For those kind of people in those kinds of context it makes sense -for me- that a master wouldpoint out that spiritual practice can be done entirely inwardly andthis practice is completely compatiblewith a normal life, with normal work schedules, with normal familyobligations and with a regular life in societyand that spiritual practice can´t be used as an excuse to "escape" allthe things in a regular life that we don´t like,quite the contrary.love all-waysmia2009/9/4 Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>:>>> Dear Rafe>> the real question behind all this... could be>> how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY> knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward.....>> please elaborate... ..> if possible>> b u t>> as practical as possible.... .>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>>>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in> the check out line at the supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they> are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems> disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but> as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive... mind never> really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates> on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as> we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He> never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live> amongst others in such a natural way...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AM> Re: to all concerned>>>> sorry Rafi> your answer is at the moment not understood> try to put in other words>> tku>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>> michael>> -> Rafe Stoneman> > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM> Re: to all concerned>>> As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because> we know all is Self"...>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>> > Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM> to all concerned>>>> Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with>> outword behaviour must conform with the best> standards of the society into which we are placed>>> because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily> misinterepreted>>>> in Sri Ramana Maharshi>>> michael>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09> 05:51:00>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.77/2346 - Release 09/04/09 17:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 quite frankly, Ramana isn't telling that to me so i speak to the moment not to an idea just live Life will reveal its secrets to the heart no rules apply to the heart Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 4:48:33 AM to all concerned R A F E your effort is most welcomed and am thankful p l e a s e try to find for yourself!!! a down to earth approach to this question why Sadguru Sri Ramana Maharshi said (in my words of course) NONDUALITY HAS TO BE LIVED INTERNALLY NOT EXTERNALLY WHY please try "better" to find an answer to this and Rafe - following my "intuition" put this question to your dear wife she is blessed..... .. and she lives with you... and she absorbs you.... go ahead and give a try in GD michael TRUSTS absolutely michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 9:17 PM Re: to all concerned there is no one set answer that can be given... to each the Self reveals Divine Purpose which can not be conferred or validated by another when I trimmed trees, I was a tree trimmer when I was in the Army, I was a soldier when I go to college, I am a student when I am with my kids, I am a father throughout all of these conditions, I am Self But alas, for the shining supreme Self without attributes who can dictate policy... If there was any doubt in young Venkataraman' s mind about quitting school and abandoning home at the age of 16... that doubt would be attributed to his Prabaradha karma but alas, all doubts were schewed and so we are here on satsang because of His Grace and veiless action But His life is only relevant so as we may live our true life beyond the circumstances while in them and free from creating new cravings for experience in time... Forgive the spelling errors, and Michael, I did my best to keep it practical and simple... but the fingers took over and what comes comes... who is there to edit? The rider of Yosi's dead donkey- Rafael, Rafe, Mr. Stoneman, or just plain Ass... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>@ . .comFriday, September 4, 2009 11:17:54 AMRe: to all concerned Dear Rafe the real question behind all this... could be how to put in practice our inner knowledge of NONDUALITY knowing that nonduality must be lived INWARD and not outward..... please elaborate... .. if possible b u t as practical as possible.... . in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 7:03 PM Re: to all concerned just because we know duality is an illustion does not mean that urinate in the check out line at the supermarket. .. not to say that if one does, they are not Self ... but for lives being lived in 'normalcy'.. . Self seems disinterested in any strange, crazy examples of non dual, realization. .. but as Ramesh pointed to... appearances can be quite deceptive.... mind never really needs to concern itself with behavior in the end, as Self generates on its own all demonstrations in accordance with Its own nature... just as we don't 'choose' to be Gurus... people decided to make Ramana a Guru... He never sought any attention... Self was simply compassionate enough to live amongst others in such a natural way... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Friday, September 4, 2009 9:49:41 AMRe: to all concerned sorry Rafi your answer is at the moment not understood try to put in other words tku in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Friday, September 04, 2009 5:56 PM Re: to all concerned As Gopi told in India: "we don't drive into on comming traffic just because we know all is Self"... Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Friday, September 4, 2009 8:14:46 AM to all concerned Please explain as down to earth as possible what is meant with outword behaviour must conform with the best standards of the society into which we are placed because everything on earth said written spoken is sooo easily misinterepreted in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release 09/04/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.77/2346 - Release 09/04/09 17:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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