Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocent”animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh call-of-the-conch-part-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocent”animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh call-of-the-conch-part-2 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 , " Radhe " <shaantih wrote: > > We need to realize that milk is not an " Innocent " > animal product as it is thought to be, but is a > highly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food. > The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ; > we need to realize that as long as we, the consumers > of milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products, > the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calves > will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh > > > call-of-the-conch-part-2 > Namaste dear Radhe, thanks for the ultra clarifying posting. How about the milk that comes from cows that are beeing held properly,for example in farms where only organic products are produced? Respectfully Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 >Dear Michael, >this is truly an excange forum. >I understand that here all different kind of >devotees can share their view of life, >their understanding and treir own experience >of His teachings. >Radhes sharing is indeed valuable and gives <the ones that have not yet been concerned with >the specific matter, the opportunity to evolve. >I can understand your point,but as you see the >matters that you are involved in, are not necessarily <the matters that other devotees are concerned with. >Respecting that fact,it will be wise to offer and not to demand. With sincere regards, always yours in Bhagavan andreas , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dearest RADHE > > tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution > finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly- " spiritual " chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... > I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. > Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. > > In gratitude > > > yours in Bhagavan > > > michael > - > Radhe > > Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM > Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... > > > > We need to realize that milk is not an " Innocent " > animal product as it is thought to be, but is a > highly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food. > The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ; > we need to realize that as long as we, the consumers > of milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products, > the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calves > will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh > > > call-of-the-conch-part-2 > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dear Michaelji: You are correct in your reference that the production of eggs is also rife with abuse of the chickens, all of them. I have it in my mind to also post something on this at some point as well. I am not sure when just yet, as I still need to complete the one on dairy first...dietary implications, and alternatives to dairy as well as how to help the helpless cows through rescue groups. There are many such abuses in the world, and to try to put all of them into one place might overwhelm the reader, which is why I am doing the Call of the Conch in parts. (and the fact that I can only handle it in parts myself) I am learning as I go along, and will probably make some minor edits to the series as I obtain more information relative to specific issues or find other images. Each of us has to come to terms with our own behavior. We cannot do much more than that...my goal is not to try to tell others what to do, but to educate others who do not need to be told, but need to be educated as to the facts as I found them. I myself was unaware of some of this and continued consuming dairy for quite some time after I changed to a vegetarian diet. There are still times when I am sure there is dairy in what I eat at the Temple, but I eat it anyway, it having been offered innocently enough as prasad, by well meaning folks who have no idea of the abuses which occur. Thank you for your encouragement of this series of articles! Doing my best to be In His Service, Radhe - Michael Bindel Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:22 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocent”animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh call-of-the-conch-part-2 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Namaste dear Johnji, I am still learning about the organic issues, but what I am finding is that while the cows may be "treated better" on some levels, there is still artificial impregnation, removal of calves after birth, and final destination continues to be the slaughterhouse. Some people posit that the cows on organic farms live a bit longer because there are no hormones and antibiotics used (more for the benefit of the consumer rather than for the benefit of the cow, BTW) but that they also suffer longer as well, perhaps two or three years more before they go to slaughter. I made a short reference in to this in Call-Part 1, but it needs expansion. Also, one of the videos in Part 2 is addressed to organic farming...there are many of them on youtube and online in general...this is the one in the article... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kM387cI4rk & feature=player_embedded In His Service, Radhe - Andreas Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:44 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... , "Radhe" <shaantih wrote:>> We need to realize that milk is not an "Innocent"> animal product as it is thought to be, but is a> highly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.> The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;> we need to realize that as long as we, the consumers> of milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,> the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calves> will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh> > > call-of-the-conch-part-2>Namaste dear Radhe,thanks for the ultra clarifying posting.How about the milk that comes from cowsthat are beeing held properly,for examplein farms where only organic products are produced?RespectfullyAndreas Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009  Dear Rafeji: I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you will accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack of decency which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance of the issue. That is the main point of this series of articles, to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of ahimsa. I honestly never thought about ants living in the cows' hair and this is the first time this has been raised as an issue. If you would like to elaborate on it, please do. In His Service, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dear Radhe besides the incredible inhuman or "human" scandal of maltreating in every possible way animals souls maybe you have read my info to the sangha months ago about the other nearly criminal scandal involving medicine pharmaceutical health and government establishment all over the globe. Why? Because since hundreds of years it is know fact that sugar, meat, milk and all dairy food, egs, fish, processed wheat and rice is a enormous health hazard and the cause of millions of "premature" deaths (i personally do not believe in "premature" because all is GD sent!) of hundreds of millions of people. Because all this "food" and specially in enormous quantity like everywhere in "modern" society plus the processed food kills. Full point. There is no real discussion about these facts any more - but still students are not thaught this, doctors generally do not know it and do give a good example of conscious eating habits. And this downplayes in every media. But there so wonderful websites who can help all those socalled ill persons with socalled "civilization illnesses" like for example diabetes I, II, highbloodpressure, Alzheimer and soooo many. My wife and myself have tested this not so underground information and succeeded in incredible way to the astonismeht of really highly educated and human minded - not business minded - doctors. Because they learned its not possible to get off medication for this modern ailments. If you want to know about these sites - i send them. We discovered these TRUTH accepting the fact the ordinary people have no chance for independent actions anymore. We instead have discovered the because and why of this global trend and the last step to putting it in practice have been many of those hidden produced videos all over USA Europe and other countries. Even the biggest biofirms in the States are to blame. But nobody cares as long as business is okay. Hoping to hear from you and of course you might write to my private email address Good luck in your wonderful way...... in GD michael TRUST absolutely L O V E is the actual form of GD - of course not socalled human love - yours in bhagavan michael - Radhe Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:04 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Dear Michaelji: You are correct in your reference that the production of eggs is also rife with abuse of the chickens, all of them. I have it in my mind to also post something on this at some point as well. I am not sure when just yet, as I still need to complete the one on dairy first...dietary implications, and alternatives to dairy as well as how to help the helpless cows through rescue groups. There are many such abuses in the world, and to try to put all of them into one place might overwhelm the reader, which is why I am doing the Call of the Conch in parts. (and the fact that I can only handle it in parts myself) I am learning as I go along, and will probably make some minor edits to the series as I obtain more information relative to specific issues or find other images. Each of us has to come to terms with our own behavior. We cannot do much more than that...my goal is not to try to tell others what to do, but to educate others who do not need to be told, but need to be educated as to the facts as I found them. I myself was unaware of some of this and continued consuming dairy for quite some time after I changed to a vegetarian diet. There are still times when I am sure there is dairy in what I eat at the Temple, but I eat it anyway, it having been offered innocently enough as prasad, by well meaning folks who have no idea of the abuses which occur. Thank you for your encouragement of this series of articles! Doing my best to be In His Service, Radhe - Michael Bindel Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:22 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocent”animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh call-of-the-conch-part-2 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2402 - Release 09/29/09 05:54:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009  Dear Rafe really astonished that you as a former not enlisted soldier of the USArmy bother about the life of ants astonished because you certainly know how many children are dying of hunger every yesr you certainly know how many million of human being are murdered just because they are not part of the majority everywhere am sad to see how you seeimingly suffer for the lives of the ANTS which are wonderful example how socalled humans function michael admired and admire their lifeforce like the lifeforce of any socalled animal watching and living daily with so many animals is a wonderful schoo of learning to be MODEST not to believe that the worth of michaels life is more or less than that of flee its really EASY to live according to the wisdom of beloved SADGURU SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI b u t ONLY when certain necesseties are fullfilled like for example giving up all preconcept giving up all fear desire hope letting go everything which makes us cling to world like DESIRE to be good in the eyes of oneself or and others COMPLETE SURRENDER IN THAT WHAT IS WITHOUT BEGINNING AND END no name necessary for this b u t absolute necessary to aknowledge the not we are the doer that IT does function thru us as the body and of course the knowledge and acceptance that my life and yours will end suddenly whenever the time comes to go and NOTHING can change this and you something so easily fogotten by those who seemingly "seek" before trying to loose all our vasanas habit muster etc we have to let bloom fully our ONLY afterwards we can let it GO this is an absolute necessity but only functioning AFTER the blooming everything else is wishful illusion let us all be humble in face of the energy of ANTS and please Rafe and all concerned next time you intentionally KILL an ant because it "disturbs" you reflect about it knowing the Sadgur Sri Ramana Maharshi accepted the killing of mosquitios but only if they harmed him and others be attentive of the quality of the LIFEFORCE by living your LIFE in an ongoing LOVE but not in the human love form which always clinges to HAVE but in the GD WAY OF LOVE of GIVING without wanting anything at at anything at all might it be consciously or unconsciously but here to only those are able to learn this HOLY LESSON OF LOVE when they are ready to admit that the always WANTED SOMETHING in exchange for socalled LOVE so all the best to your inner PEACE and tranquillity yours in GD michael - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2402 - Release 09/29/09 05:54:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dear Andreas its the same because milking cows produces puss which is accepted if it does not surpass a certain level. And thats already another incredible fact. Who knows that milk - and myself have been loving milk! - contains pus???? Who knows that calf are taken away in hours from mothercow to have the better milkquality.... and the modern turbocows is just endless suffering all the best michael - Andreas Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:44 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... , "Radhe" <shaantih wrote:>> We need to realize that milk is not an "Innocent"> animal product as it is thought to be, but is a> highly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.> The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;> we need to realize that as long as we, the consumers> of milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,> the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calves> will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh> > > call-of-the-conch-part-2>Namaste dear Radhe,thanks for the ultra clarifying posting.How about the milk that comes from cowsthat are beeing held properly,for examplein farms where only organic products are produced?RespectfullyAndreas Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2402 - Release 09/29/09 05:54:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Radhe, the comment no longer has relevance it rose in the context of the moment in hindsight i might say i was trying to express humor on one level and provide an insight about equality of all beings as consciousness my focus is that forms change and go thru specific conditions but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside will of Supreme Causality that said if you are moved in your heart about the cows this too is Supreme action and true i encourage you to follow your heart's truth as for 'me' i am not so interested in these subjects at the moment pardon my lack of interest love "our duty is to be... not to be this or that...." BSRM Radhe <shaantih Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Dear Rafeji: I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you will accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack of decency which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance of the issue. That is the main point of this series of articles, to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of ahimsa. I honestly never thought about ants living in the cows' hair and this is the first time this has been raised as an issue. If you would like to elaborate on it, please do. In His Service, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child.... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 .Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8..5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009  Whatever floats your spiritual boat :-) I admit that I sensed a certain sarcasm in your comment, but chose to ignore it and assume that you meant what you wrote. That said, I will carry on and you can do the same. - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Radhe, the comment no longer has relevance it rose in the context of the moment in hindsight i might say i was trying to express humor on one level and provide an insight about equality of all beings as consciousness my focus is that forms change and go thru specific conditions but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside will of Supreme Causality that said if you are moved in your heart about the cows this too is Supreme action and true i encourage you to follow your heart's truth as for 'me' i am not so interested in these subjects at the moment pardon my lack of interest love "our duty is to be... not to be this or that...." BSRM Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Dear Rafeji: I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you will accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack of decency which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance of the issue. That is the main point of this series of articles, to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of ahimsa. I honestly never thought about ants living in the cows' hair and this is the first time this has been raised as an issue. If you would like to elaborate on it, please do. In His Service, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child.... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 .Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8..5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release 09/29/09 17:56:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 what floats 'my' boat is truth if truth inspires an interest in saving cows then this is true but to project this truth onto life as important beyond your own sense of importance is missing a deeper truth in 'my' view i like yosy's approach and feel we can both learn from the lightness and wisdom of his story i am only interested in honest interaction based on respect and allowance even in 'disagreement' so the dismissive reply you gave me only causes 'me' to access deeper compassion and so i am grateful to you for that thank you Radhe rafe Radhe <shaantih Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:34:43 PMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Whatever floats your spiritual boat :-) I admit that I sensed a certain sarcasm in your comment, but chose to ignore it and assume that you meant what you wrote. That said, I will carry on and you can do the same. - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Radhe, the comment no longer has relevance it rose in the context of the moment in hindsight i might say i was trying to express humor on one level and provide an insight about equality of all beings as consciousness my focus is that forms change and go thru specific conditions but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside will of Supreme Causality that said if you are moved in your heart about the cows this too is Supreme action and true i encourage you to follow your heart's truth as for 'me' i am not so interested in these subjects at the moment pardon my lack of interest love "our duty is to be... not to be this or that...." BSRM Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Dear Rafeji: I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you will accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack of decency which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance of the issue. That is the main point of this series of articles, to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of ahimsa. I honestly never thought about ants living in the cows' hair and this is the first time this has been raised as an issue. If you would like to elaborate on it, please do. In His Service, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child.... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 .Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8..5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release 09/29/09 17:56:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009  You are welcome, Rafe :-) Take a close look at your posts to me, both the content and the tone. I do apologize if you saw my post as dismissive...perhaps it was...after all, you said your comment had no relevance and so I chose not to get into a wordy explanation/discussion on it. I am not a woman of many words, nor do I incline towards wordy discussions of what truth is or is not. I apologize to you for that since it appears I both hurt and angered you with my comments. I will be posting an article today on the sattvic diet by Swami Sadasivananda...the premise of my series is based upon that. If the tone of some of the videos and my words also extend to "saving the cows," that is fine with me. Nothing is in my hands. And you are correct...my own sense of importance is quite limited. I have not reached the point of I AM...I still see myself as a "part" of the I AM...I am quite sure Ramana would have patted me on the head and sent me back to my village to worship the Lord...that is my truth!!! Hope 'you' won't stay mad at 'me' .... Love, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:18 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... what floats 'my' boat is truth if truth inspires an interest in saving cows then this is true but to project this truth onto life as important beyond your own sense of importance is missing a deeper truth in 'my' view i like yosy's approach and feel we can both learn from the lightness and wisdom of his story i am only interested in honest interaction based on respect and allowance even in 'disagreement' so the dismissive reply you gave me only causes 'me' to access deeper compassion and so i am grateful to you for that thank you Radhe rafe Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:34:43 PMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Whatever floats your spiritual boat :-) I admit that I sensed a certain sarcasm in your comment, but chose to ignore it and assume that you meant what you wrote. That said, I will carry on and you can do the same. - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... Radhe, the comment no longer has relevance it rose in the context of the moment in hindsight i might say i was trying to express humor on one level and provide an insight about equality of all beings as consciousness my focus is that forms change and go thru specific conditions but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside will of Supreme Causality that said if you are moved in your heart about the cows this too is Supreme action and true i encourage you to follow your heart's truth as for 'me' i am not so interested in these subjects at the moment pardon my lack of interest love "our duty is to be... not to be this or that...." BSRM Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Dear Rafeji: I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you will accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack of decency which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance of the issue. That is the main point of this series of articles, to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of ahimsa. I honestly never thought about ants living in the cows' hair and this is the first time this has been raised as an issue. If you would like to elaborate on it, please do. In His Service, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child.... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 .Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8..5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release 09/29/09 17:56:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release 09/29/09 17:56:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 how could i stay mad at pure devotion? sometimes bhakti requires a bit of jnana and vice a versa... both are equal, yes? Radhe <shaantih Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:48:52 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  You are welcome, Rafe :-) Take a close look at your posts to me, both the content and the tone. I do apologize if you saw my post as dismissive.. .perhaps it was...after all, you said your comment had no relevance and so I chose not to get into a wordy explanation/ discussion on it. I am not a woman of many words, nor do I incline towards wordy discussions of what truth is or is not. I apologize to you for that since it appears I both hurt and angered you with my comments. I will be posting an article today on the sattvic diet by Swami Sadasivananda. ..the premise of my series is based upon that. If the tone of some of the videos and my words also extend to "saving the cows," that is fine with me. Nothing is in my hands. And you are correct...my own sense of importance is quite limited. I have not reached the point of I AM...I still see myself as a "part" of the I AM...I am quite sure Ramana would have patted me on the head and sent me back to my village to worship the Lord...that is my truth!!! Hope 'you' won't stay mad at 'me' .... Love, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:18 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... what floats 'my' boat is truth if truth inspires an interest in saving cows then this is true but to project this truth onto life as important beyond your own sense of importance is missing a deeper truth in 'my' view i like yosy's approach and feel we can both learn from the lightness and wisdom of his story i am only interested in honest interaction based on respect and allowance even in 'disagreement' so the dismissive reply you gave me only causes 'me' to access deeper compassion and so i am grateful to you for that thank you Radhe rafe Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:34:43 PMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Whatever floats your spiritual boat :-) I admit that I sensed a certain sarcasm in your comment, but chose to ignore it and assume that you meant what you wrote. That said, I will carry on and you can do the same. - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child.... Radhe, the comment no longer has relevance it rose in the context of the moment in hindsight i might say i was trying to express humor on one level and provide an insight about equality of all beings as consciousness my focus is that forms change and go thru specific conditions but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside will of Supreme Causality that said if you are moved in your heart about the cows this too is Supreme action and true i encourage you to follow your heart's truth as for 'me' i am not so interested in these subjects at the moment pardon my lack of interest love "our duty is to be... not to be this or that....." BSRM Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>@ .. comTuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...  Dear Rafeji: I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you will accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack of decency which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance of the issue. That is the main point of this series of articles, to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of ahimsa. I honestly never thought about ants living in the cows' hair and this is the first time this has been raised as an issue. If you would like to elaborate on it, please do. In His Service, Radhe - Rafe Stoneman Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... i am concerned for the killing of the ants that live in the cows hair much violence is being committed to these ants and we don't even have the decency to discuss the ants or notice their death Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AMRe: Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child.... Dearest RADHE tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution finally their is some movement in this direction in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes more like a highly-"spiritual" chat-club than a exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht person and country, and you will see this mode.... I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover why this is this way. Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity. In gratitude yours in Bhagavan michael - Radhe Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child... We need to realize that milk is not an “Innocentâ€animal product as it is thought to be, but is ahighly violent, cruel, and immensely exploitative food.The most important factor in cow abuse is the economic factor ;we need to realize that as long as we, the consumersof milk and leather, continue to buy these violent products,the exploitation of the cow and the killing of her calveswill continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2 ..Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09 05:51:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8..5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release 09/29/09 17:56:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release 09/29/09 17:56:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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