Re] Call of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

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---- Original message ----

>Date:   Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:49:20 -0700 (PDT)

>   Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman

>Subject:   Re: Call of the

Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

>To:  

>

>

>

> Radhe,

>

> the comment no longer has relevance

> it rose in the context of the moment

> in hindsight i might say i was trying to express

> humor on one level

> and provide an insight about equality of all beings

> as consciousness

>

> my focus is that forms change and go thru specific

> conditions

> but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside

> will of Supreme Causality

>

> that said

> if you are moved in your heart about the cows

> this too is Supreme action and true

>

> i encourage you to follow your heart's truth

>

> as for 'me'

> i am not so interested in these subjects at the

> moment

> pardon my lack of interest

> love

>

> " our duty is to be... not to be this or that.... "

> BSRM

>

----------

 

friends, i am reminded of a story which

may be relevant to the discussion...

 

how mosquito saved humanity

 

 

a tale i heard in india tells about the animals general

gathering, in which all animals voiced their complains

against mankind. they spoke about man's cruelty, greed,

unfairness, maltreatment of house animals, etc, etc.

eventually the animals reached a verdict: it was decided to

destroy mankind. and the animal kingdom, united, can do that

easily... it seemed that man's fate was sealed. but then the

mosquito requested the right to speak. (in the animal

kingdom, unlike men's, even the smallest and weakest has a

right of vote - and veto).

" ffffriendsss " , said the mosquito, " what about meeee? your

hide is to toughhhh; human skin is the only one i can

penetrate... if there will be no men, i am destined to die of

hunger. and what about my kiiiiidssss?

plllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeeee, do not carry it

outtttt! do not destroy mankind! " hearing this, the animals

couldn't let it happen; and so, it's the mosquito that

prevented mankind's annihilation...

 

 

 

any comments?

yosy

 

 

nnb

---------------

>

> Radhe <shaantih

>

> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AM

> Re: Call of

> the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

>

>

> 

> Dear Rafeji:

>

> I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you

> will

> accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack

> of decency

> which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance

> of the

> issue. That is the main point of this series of

> articles,

> to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of

> ahimsa.

> I honestly never thought about ants living in the

> cows' hair

> and this is the first time this has been raised as

> an issue.

> If you would like to elaborate on it, please do.

>

> In His Service,

>

> Radhe

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Rafe Stoneman

>

> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM

> Re: Call

> of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

>

>

> i am concerned for the killing of the ants that

> live in the cows hair

> much violence is being committed to these ants and

> we don't even

> have the decency to discuss the ants or notice

> their death

>

> ---------------

>

> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online.

> hu>

>

> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AM

> Re: Call

> of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child....

>

>

> Dearest RADHE

>

> tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution

> finally their is some movement in this direction

> in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes

> more like a highly- " spiritual " chat-club than a

> exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this

> perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and

> civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht

> person and country, and you will see this mode....

> I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover

> why this is this way.

> Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that

> EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity.

>

> In gratitude

>

>

> yours in Bhagavan

>

>

> michael

>

> -

> Radhe

>

> Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM

> Call of

> the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

>

>

> We need to realize that milk is not an

> “Innocentâ€

> animal product as it is thought to be, but is a

> highly violent, cruel, and immensely

> exploitative food.

> The most important factor in cow abuse is the

> economic factor ;

> we need to realize that as long as we, the

> consumers

> of milk and leather, continue to buy these

> violent products,

> the exploitation of the cow and the killing of

> her calves

> will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh

>

>

> http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2

>

>

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, <yosyflug wrote:

>

>

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date:   Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:49:20 -0700 (PDT)

> >   Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman

> >Subject:   Re: Call of the

> Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> >To:  

> >

> >

> >

> > Radhe,

> >

> > the comment no longer has relevance

> > it rose in the context of the moment

> > in hindsight i might say i was trying to express

> > humor on one level

> > and provide an insight about equality of all beings

> > as consciousness

> >

> > my focus is that forms change and go thru specific

> > conditions

> > but nothing dies, and no violence happens outside

> > will of Supreme Causality

> >

> > that said

> > if you are moved in your heart about the cows

> > this too is Supreme action and true

> >

> > i encourage you to follow your heart's truth

> >

> > as for 'me'

> > i am not so interested in these subjects at the

> > moment

> > pardon my lack of interest

> > love

> >

> > " our duty is to be... not to be this or that.... "

> > BSRM

> >

> ----------

>

> friends, i am reminded of a story which

> may be relevant to the discussion...

>

> how mosquito saved humanity

>

>

> a tale i heard in india tells about the animals general

> gathering, in which all animals voiced their complains

> against mankind. they spoke about man's cruelty, greed,

> unfairness, maltreatment of house animals, etc, etc.

> eventually the animals reached a verdict: it was decided to

> destroy mankind. and the animal kingdom, united, can do that

> easily... it seemed that man's fate was sealed. but then the

> mosquito requested the right to speak. (in the animal

> kingdom, unlike men's, even the smallest and weakest has a

> right of vote - and veto).

> " ffffriendsss " , said the mosquito, " what about meeee? your

> hide is to toughhhh; human skin is the only one i can

> penetrate... if there will be no men, i am destined to die of

> hunger. and what about my kiiiiidssss?

> plllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeeee, do not carry it

> outtttt! do not destroy mankind! " hearing this, the animals

> couldn't let it happen; and so, it's the mosquito that

> prevented mankind's annihilation...

>

>

>

> any comments?

> yosy

>

>

> nnb

> ---------------

> >

 

Thanks yosy for the peace of mind your wisdom

always bring.

Nothing more to add..

 

andreas

> > Radhe <shaantih

> >

> > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AM

> > Re: Call of

> > the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> >

> >

> > 

> > Dear Rafeji:

> >

> > I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope you

> > will

> > accept my apology. I do not believe it is our lack

> > of decency

> > which fuels our failure to notice, but our ignorance

> > of the

> > issue. That is the main point of this series of

> > articles,

> > to help us look at this issue from the standpoint of

> > ahimsa.

> > I honestly never thought about ants living in the

> > cows' hair

> > and this is the first time this has been raised as

> > an issue.

> > If you would like to elaborate on it, please do.

> >

> > In His Service,

> >

> > Radhe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Rafe Stoneman

> >

> > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM

> > Re: Call

> > of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> >

> >

> > i am concerned for the killing of the ants that

> > live in the cows hair

> > much violence is being committed to these ants and

> > we don't even

> > have the decency to discuss the ants or notice

> > their death

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online.

> > hu>

> >

> > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AM

> > Re: Call

> > of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child....

> >

> >

> > Dearest RADHE

> >

> > tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING contribution

> > finally their is some movement in this direction

> > in our Sangha - which usually resembles sometimes

> > more like a highly- " spiritual " chat-club than a

> > exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this

> > perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and

> > civilized world. Look around everywhere, in eacht

> > person and country, and you will see this mode....

> > I wonder how long it will take mankind to discover

> > why this is this way.

> > Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows that

> > EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing humanity.

> >

> > In gratitude

> >

> >

> > yours in Bhagavan

> >

> >

> > michael

> >

> > -

> > Radhe

> >

> > Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM

> > Call of

> > the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> >

> >

> > We need to realize that milk is not an

> > “Innocentâ€

> > animal product as it is thought to be, but is a

> > highly violent, cruel, and immensely

> > exploitative food.

> > The most important factor in cow abuse is the

> > economic factor ;

> > we need to realize that as long as we, the

> > consumers

> > of milk and leather, continue to buy these

> > violent products,

> > the exploitation of the cow and the killing of

> > her calves

> > will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh

> >

> >

> > http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> > .

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> > 05:51:00

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> >

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> >

> >

>

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---- Original message ----

>Date:   Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:43:14 -0000

>   " Andreas " <pandaena

>Subject:   Re: Re] Call of

the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

>To:  

>

>

>

> ,

> <yosyflug wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > ---- Original message ----

> > >Date:   Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:49:20 -0700

> (PDT)

> > >   Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman

> > >Subject:   Re: [ - Ramana

> Guru] Call of the

> > Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> > >To:  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Radhe,

> > >

> > > the comment no longer has relevance

> > > it rose in the context of the moment

> > > in hindsight i might say i was trying to express

> > > humor on one level

> > > and provide an insight about equality of all

> beings

> > > as consciousness

> > >

> > > my focus is that forms change and go thru

> specific

> > > conditions

> > > but nothing dies, and no violence happens

> outside

> > > will of Supreme Causality

> > >

> > > that said

> > > if you are moved in your heart about the cows

> > > this too is Supreme action and true

> > >

> > > i encourage you to follow your heart's truth

> > >

> > > as for 'me'

> > > i am not so interested in these subjects at the

> > > moment

> > > pardon my lack of interest

> > > love

> > >

> > > " our duty is to be... not to be this or

> that.... "

> > > BSRM

> > >

> > ----------

> >

> > friends, i am reminded of a story which

> > may be relevant to the discussion...

> >

> > how mosquito saved humanity

> >

> >

> > a tale i heard in india tells about the animals

> general

> > gathering, in which all animals voiced their

> complains

> > against mankind. they spoke about man's cruelty,

> greed,

> > unfairness, maltreatment of house animals, etc,

> etc.

> > eventually the animals reached a verdict: it was

> decided to

> > destroy mankind. and the animal kingdom, united,

> can do that

> > easily... it seemed that man's fate was sealed.

> but then the

> > mosquito requested the right to speak. (in the

> animal

> > kingdom, unlike men's, even the smallest and

> weakest has a

> > right of vote - and veto).

> > " ffffriendsss " , said the mosquito, " what about

> meeee? your

> > hide is to toughhhh; human skin is the only one i

> can

> > penetrate... if there will be no men, i am

> destined to die of

> > hunger. and what about my kiiiiidssss?

> > plllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeeee, do not carry

> it

> > outtttt! do not destroy mankind! " hearing this,

> the animals

> > couldn't let it happen; and so, it's the mosquito

> that

> > prevented mankind's annihilation...

> >

> >

> >

> > any comments?

> > yosy

> >

> >

> > nnb

> > ---------------

> > >

>

> Thanks yosy for the peace of mind your wisdom

> always bring.

> Nothing more to add..

>

> andreas

 

 

thank you, andreas. " the giver should be thankful "

as they say in india... i heard this story during

a period of self-imposed complete ahimsa exercise,

in which i desisted harming and driving away bugs

and even mosquitos. as a result, they covered my

nearly exposed body (i was living in a little

abandoned temple on the bank of thungabadra river

at the time). it was told by one of the wandering

sadhus who stayed with me a while...

 

BOOM!

 

yosy

 

 

> > > Radhe <shaantih

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:24:16 AM

> > > Re: Call

> of

> > > the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > > Dear Rafeji:

> > >

> > > I am sorry to have missed this issue and hope

> you

> > > will

> > > accept my apology. I do not believe it is our

> lack

> > > of decency

> > > which fuels our failure to notice, but our

> ignorance

> > > of the

> > > issue. That is the main point of this series of

> > > articles,

> > > to help us look at this issue from the

> standpoint of

> > > ahimsa.

> > > I honestly never thought about ants living in

> the

> > > cows' hair

> > > and this is the first time this has been raised

> as

> > > an issue.

> > > If you would like to elaborate on it, please do.

> > >

> > > In His Service,

> > >

> > > Radhe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Rafe Stoneman

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM

> > > Re: Call

> > > of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> > >

> > >

> > > i am concerned for the killing of the ants that

> > > live in the cows hair

> > > much violence is being committed to these ants

> and

> > > we don't even

> > > have the decency to discuss the ants or notice

> > > their death

> > >

> > > ---------------

> > >

> > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online.

> > > hu>

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:22:35 AM

> > > Re: Call

> > > of the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child....

> > >

> > >

> > > Dearest RADHE

> > >

> > > tku for your holy and LIFESPONSORING

> contribution

> > > finally their is some movement in this direction

> > > in our Sangha - which usually resembles

> sometimes

> > > more like a highly- " spiritual " chat-club than a

> > > exchange forum of matters of real LIFE. But this

> > > perfect in the mode of our socalled modern and

> > > civilized world. Look around everywhere, in

> eacht

> > > person and country, and you will see this

> mode....

> > > I wonder how long it will take mankind to

> discover

> > > why this is this way.

> > > Radhe - am sure that you one of the few knows

> that

> > > EGGS are the some product of lifeabusing

> humanity.

> > >

> > > In gratitude

> > >

> > >

> > > yours in Bhagavan

> > >

> > >

> > > michael

> > >

> > > -

> > > Radhe

> > >

> > > Monday, September 28, 2009 9:38 PM

> > > Call of

> > > the Conch-Part 2: The Motherless Child...

> > >

> > >

> > > We need to realize that milk is not an

> > > “Innocentâ€・

> > > animal product as it is thought to be, but is a

> > > highly violent, cruel, and immensely

> > > exploitative food.

> > > The most important factor in cow abuse is the

> > > economic factor ;

> > > we need to realize that as long as we, the

> > > consumers

> > > of milk and leather, continue to buy these

> > > violent products,

> > > the exploitation of the cow and the killing of

> > > her calves

> > > will continue to occur. ~Shri Kamlesh

> > >

> > >

> > > http://luthar. com/call- of-the-conch- part-2

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------

> > >

> > > .

> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database:

> > > 270.13.113/2400 - Release 09/28/09

> > > 05:51:00

> > >

> > > ---------------

> > >

> > >

> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > Version: 8..5.409 / Virus Database:

> > > 270.13.114/2401 - Release 09/28/09

> 17:53:00

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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thank you, andreas. " the giver should be thankful "

as they say in india... i heard this story during

a period of self-imposed complete ahimsa exercise,

in which i desisted harming and driving away bugs

and even mosquitos. as a result, they covered my

nearly exposed body (i was living in a little

abandoned temple on the bank of thungabadra river

at the time). it was told by one of the wandering

sadhus who stayed with me a while...

 

BOOM!

 

yosy

 

 

BOOM!

 

joycie