Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. What then is this 'I'? It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. I say that I exist. Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. Please help. sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Dear Sundar,It may be better to think of the Real I as Pure Awareness, or sense of Existence- I am ness etc.. Consciousness derives from the Latin root con scio meaning knowling all together. I hope this helps.Love,Alan--- On Fri, 9/10/09, sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote:sundar22ca <sundar22ca What is I? Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 3:33 AM It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. What then is this 'I'? It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. I say that I exist. Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. Please help. sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 for whom is that thought?TAT TVAM ASI ...--- On Fri, 10/9/09, sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote:sundar22ca <sundar22ca What is I? Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 10:33 AM It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. What then is this 'I'? It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. I say that I exist. Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. Please help. sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hello Friend Sundar Your question is a good one. The " I " is everything that is not you. It is everything that is not in any way related to what you think is you. mourad , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca wrote: > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > What then is this 'I'? > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > I say that I exist. > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > Please help. > sundar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 When you peel an onion layer by layer ; what is left behind ? --- On Fri, 10/9/09, mourad <mourad_shamel wrote: mourad <mourad_shamel Re: What is I? Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:15 PM Hello Friend SundarYour question is a good one.The "I" is everything that is not you. It is everything that is not in any way related to what you think is you. mourad, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ ...> wrote:>> It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > What then is this 'I'?> > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is!> > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'.> > I say that I exist.> > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence.> > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > Please help.> sundar> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 - ramesh chivukula Friday, October 09, 2009 10:08 AM Re: Re: What is I? When you peel an onion layer by layer ; what is left behind ? A lot of onion skins??? :-)--- On Fri, 10/9/09, mourad <mourad_shamel > wrote: mourad <mourad_shamel > Re: What is I? Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:15 PM Hello Friend SundarYour question is a good one.The "I" is everything that is not you. It is everything that is not in any way related to what you think is you. mourad, "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ ...> wrote:>> It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > What then is this 'I'?> > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is!> > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'.> > I say that I exist.> > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence.> > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > Please help.> sundar>Ik gebruik de gratis versie van SPAMfighterWij zijn een gemeenschap van 6 miljoen gebruikers in strijd tegen spam.6590 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd.De Professionele versie heeft deze voetnoot niet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca wrote: > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > What then is this 'I'? > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > I say that I exist. > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > Please help. > sundar > >Namaste dear Sundar, > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to >realise that the body isnt " I " ,is in my opinion false. >In fact the opposite is the case. >If one considers that the idea " I am the body " roots >in the ignorance that has been cultivated life after >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of it >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but also >that without His Grace isnt attainable. > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually become >clear that the questioner cant be something separate >from the quest. > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence, >something that directly shows that the way you approach >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore >unsuccessful. > >Help your self by giving up the idea that " you " as separate >entity can experience the Self as something objective. > > " Be still and know I am God " , that is what stillness reveals. > >With His Grace, > >af Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Nice idea/explanation, but... you still suffer, don't you? , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > > When you peel an onion layer by layer ; what is left behind ? > > > > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, mourad <mourad_shamel wrote: > > > mourad <mourad_shamel > Re: What is I? > > Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:15 PM > > > > > > > Hello Friend Sundar > > Your question is a good one. > > The " I " is everything that is not you. It is everything that is not in any way related to what you think is you. > > mourad > > , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@ ...> wrote: > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > Please help. > > sundar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Clever/funny answer, but... do you still suffer? , " Sam Pasiencier " <sampas wrote: > > > - > ramesh chivukula > > Friday, October 09, 2009 10:08 AM > Re: Re: What is I? > > > > When you peel an onion layer by layer ; what is left behind ? > > A lot of onion skins??? :-) > > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, mourad <mourad_shamel wrote: > > > mourad <mourad_shamel > Re: What is I? > > Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:15 PM > > > > Hello Friend Sundar > > Your question is a good one. > > The " I " is everything that is not you. It is everything that is not in any way related to what you think is you. > > mourad > > , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@ ....> wrote: > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > Please help. > > sundar > > > -- > Ik gebruik de gratis versie van SPAMfighter. > 6590 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Wij zijn een gemeenschap van 6 miljoen gebruikers in strijd tegen spam. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Oh Brilliant!...: no reply...but do you still suffer? , " Andreas " <pandaena wrote: > > > > , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@> wrote: > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > Please help. > > sundar > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar, > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to > >realise that the body isnt " I " ,is in my opinion false. > >In fact the opposite is the case. > >If one considers that the idea " I am the body " roots > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated life after > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of it > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but also > >that without His Grace isnt attainable. > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually become > >clear that the questioner cant be something separate > >from the quest. > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence, > >something that directly shows that the way you approach > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore >unsuccessful. > > > >Help your self by giving up the idea that " you " as separate > >entity can experience the Self as something objective. > > > > " Be still and know I am God " , that is what stillness reveals. > > > >With His Grace, > > > >af > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 , " new7892001 " <JB789 wrote: > > Oh Brilliant!...: no reply...but > do you still suffer? > > , " Andreas " <pandaena@> wrote: > > > > Bhagavan taught:Happiness alone exists. > > Besides that though i also want to ask you: What difference does it make for you if i or someone else suffer? All His Grace > > , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@> wrote: > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > > > Please help. > > > sundar > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar, > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to > > >realise that the body isnt " I " ,is in my opinion false. > > >In fact the opposite is the case. > > >If one considers that the idea " I am the body " roots > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated life after > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of it > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but also > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable. > > > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually become > > >clear that the questioner cant be something separate > > >from the quest. > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence, > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore >unsuccessful. > > > > > >Help your self by giving up the idea that " you " as separate > > >entity can experience the Self as something objective. > > > > > > " Be still and know I am God " , that is what stillness reveals. > > > > > >With His Grace, > > > > > >af > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Thank you to all that responded to my question with responses. I now think as follows: The 'am' can be experienced. The experiencer is the 'I'. However, there can be the experience without the experiencer. Hence, the 'I' could be just a word. ps: The 'am' experience can be without the aid of the senses or thinking. As of now, that 'am' experience is like a hazy background. The sensory experience & the related thoughts are more strong. sundar , " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca wrote: > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > What then is this 'I'? > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is! > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'. > > I say that I exist. > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence. > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > Please help. > sundar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 friends if SUFFERING who is suffering??????? but really who REALLY is suffering??? the answer IS of highest importance to all of us in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Andreas Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 AM Re: What is I? , "new7892001" <JB789 wrote:>> Oh Brilliant!...: no reply...but> do you still suffer?> > , "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> >> > Bhagavan taught:Happiness alone exists.> > Besides that though i also want to ask you:What difference does it make for you if i or someone else suffer?All His Grace > > , "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@> wrote:> > >> > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is!> > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'.> > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence.> > > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > Please help.> > > sundar> > >> > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > >> > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > >realise that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > >In fact the opposite is the case.> > >If one considers that the idea "I am the body" roots> > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated life after> > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of it> > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but also> > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > >> > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually become> > >clear that the questioner cant be something separate> > >from the quest.> > >> > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore >unsuccessful.> > >> > >Help your self by giving up the idea that "you" as separate> > >entity can experience the Self as something objective.> > >> > >"Be still and know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > >> > >With His Grace,> > >> > >af> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release 10/09/09 18:43:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 - Andreas Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 AM Re: What is I? , "new7892001" <JB789 wrote:>> Oh Brilliant!...: no reply...but> do you still suffer?> > , "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> >> > Bhagavan taught:Happiness alone exists.> > Besides that though i also want to ask you:What difference does it make for you if i or someone else suffer?All His Grace I am you and you are me and we are all toge-ether. Kukukatchoo. The Beatles and sam> > , "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@> wrote:> > >> > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is!> > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'.> > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence.> > > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > Please help.> > > sundar> > >> > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > >> > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > >realise that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > >In fact the opposite is the case.> > >If one considers that the idea "I am the body" roots> > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated life after> > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of it> > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but also> > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > >> > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually become> > >clear that the questioner cant be something separate> > >from the quest.> > >> > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore >unsuccessful.> > >> > >Help your self by giving up the idea that "you" as separate> > >entity can experience the Self as something objective.> > >> > >"Be still and know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > >> > >With His Grace,> > >> > >af> >>Ik gebruik de gratis versie van SPAMfighterWij zijn een gemeenschap van 6 miljoen gebruikers in strijd tegen spam.6592 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd.De Professionele versie heeft deze voetnoot niet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 for whom is that thought?TAT TVAM ASI ...--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote:Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: Re: What is I? Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM friends if SUFFERING who is suffering??? ???? but really who REALLY is suffering??? the answer IS of highest importance to all of us in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Andreas Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 AM Re: What is I? , "new7892001" <JB789 wrote:>> Oh Brilliant!.. .: no reply...but> do you still suffer?> > , "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> >> > Bhagavan taught:Happiness alone exists.> > Besides that though i also want to ask you:What difference does it make for you if i or someone else suffer?All His Grace > > , "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ > wrote:> > >> > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' is!> > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own 'I'.> > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that existence.> > > > > > What should be the clearest (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > Please help.> > > sundar> > >> > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > >> > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > >realise that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > >In fact the opposite is the case.> > >If one considers that the idea "I am the body" roots> > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated life after> > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of it> > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but also> > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > >> > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually become> > >clear that the questioner cant be something separate> > >from the quest.> > >> > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore >unsuccessful.> > >> > >Help your self by giving up the idea that "you" as separate> > >entity can experience the Self as something objective.> > >> > >"Be still and know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > >> > >With His Grace,> > >> > >af> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release 10/09/09 18:43:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*. To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that. ~Anna , mango tree <oldmangotree wrote: > > for whom is that thought? > > TAT TVAM ASI ... > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel > Re: Re: What is I? > > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM > > friends > > > if SUFFERING > > who is suffering??? ???? > but really > who REALLY is suffering??? > > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > us > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > > > - > > Andreas > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > AM > > Re: What is I? > > > > > > , > " new7892001 " <JB789@> wrote: > > > > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > no reply...but > > do you still suffer? > > > > , > " Andreas " <pandaena@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhagavan > taught:Happiness alone exists. > > > > Besides that though i also > want to ask you: > What difference does it make for you if i > or someone > else suffer? > > All His Grace > > > > , > " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > is! > > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > 'I'. > > > > > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > existence. > > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > sundar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar, > > > > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to > > > >realise > that the body isnt " I " ,is in my opinion false. > > > >In fact the > opposite is the case. > > > >If one considers that the idea " I am > the body " roots > > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > life after > > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > it > > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > also > > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable. > > > > > > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > become > > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > separate > > > >from the quest. > > > > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence, > > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach > > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > >unsuccessful. > > > > > > > >Help your self by giving > up the idea that " you " as separate > > > >entity can experience the > Self as something objective. > > > > > > > > " Be still and > know I am God " , that is what stillness reveals. > > > > > > > > >With His Grace, > > > > > > > >af > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > 10/09/09 18:43:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Ann tku for your your response I AM is without beginning without end without "suffering" in michaels "feeling" his own "suffering" is "only" a part of ego-acting this ego-suffering has to be accepted fullheartedly without getting LOST in it really KNOWING thats all part of the film called michaels life which a part of this being had to learn to watch from distance as a "not-judging observer" in ITS Grace michael - anna Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:10 PM Re: What is I? There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*.To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that.~Anna , mango tree <oldmangotree wrote:>> for whom is that thought?> > TAT TVAM ASI ...> > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote:> > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel> Re: Re: What is I?> > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends> > > if SUFFERING> > who is suffering??? ????> but really> who REALLY is suffering???> > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > us> > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > michael> > > - > > Andreas > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > AM> > Re: What is I?> > > > > > , > "new7892001" <JB789@> wrote:> >> > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > no reply...but> > do you still suffer?> > > > , > "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> > >> > > Bhagavan > taught:Happiness alone exists.> > > > Besides that though i also > want to ask you:> What difference does it make for you if i > or someone > else suffer?> > All His Grace > > > > , > "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > is!> > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > 'I'.> > > > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > existence.> > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > > > > Please help.> > > > sundar> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > > >> > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > > >realise > that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > > >In fact the > opposite is the case.> > > >If one considers that the idea "I am > the body" roots> > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > life after> > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > it> > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > also> > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > > > >> > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > become> > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > separate> > > >from the quest.> > > >> > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > >unsuccessful.> > > >> > > >Help your self by giving > up the idea that "you" as separate> > > >entity can experience the > Self as something objective.> > > >> > > >"Be still and > know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > > >> > > > >With His Grace,> > > >> > > >af> > > >> >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > 10/09/09 18:43:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Indeed Michael, being an impartial witness--watching one's life AND having the courage to live it in all its manifestations, its experiences of all dualities is to know that the universe is a benevolent creator. It gave us life, breath & being and in return we play out our role of individuality with great fervor and in bliss. The identification with Anna is at least as important as knowing that awareness IS the identification of all roles everywhere, simultaneously and equally. Consciousness is awareness is manifestation and the truth of being. ~A , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Ann > > tku for your your response > > > I AM is > without beginning without end > without " suffering " > > in michaels " feeling " his own " suffering " is " only " a part of ego-acting > this ego-suffering has to be accepted fullheartedly without getting LOST in it > really KNOWING thats all part of the film called michaels life which a part of this being had to learn to watch from distance as a " not-judging observer " > > in ITS Grace > > michael > > > - > anna > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:10 PM > Re: What is I? > > > There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*. > > To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that. > > ~Anna > > , mango tree <oldmangotree@> wrote: > > > > for whom is that thought? > > > > TAT TVAM ASI ... > > > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> > > Re: Re: What is I? > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends > > > > > > if SUFFERING > > > > who is suffering??? ???? > > but really > > who REALLY is suffering??? > > > > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > > us > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > michael > > > > > > - > > > > Andreas > > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > > AM > > > > Re: What is I? > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " new7892001 " <JB789@> wrote: > > > > > > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > > no reply...but > > > do you still suffer? > > > > > > , > > " Andreas " <pandaena@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhagavan > > taught:Happiness alone exists. > > > > > > Besides that though i also > > want to ask you: > > What difference does it make for you if i > > or someone > > else suffer? > > > > All His Grace > > > > > > , > > " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > > Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > > is! > > > > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > > 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > > existence. > > > > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > sundar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar, > > > > > > > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to > > > > >realise > > that the body isnt " I " ,is in my opinion false. > > > > >In fact the > > opposite is the case. > > > > >If one considers that the idea " I am > > the body " roots > > > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > > life after > > > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > > it > > > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > > also > > > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable. > > > > > > > > > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > > become > > > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > > separate > > > > >from the quest. > > > > > > > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence, > > > > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach > > > > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > > >unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > >Help your self by giving > > up the idea that " you " as separate > > > > >entity can experience the > > Self as something objective. > > > > > > > > > > " Be still and > > know I am God " , that is what stillness reveals. > > > > > > > > > > > >With His Grace, > > > > > > > > > >af > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > > www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > > 10/09/09 18:43:00 > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Anna GD is indeed "benevolent" for michael in every aspect even the most cruel act is in "the end" of participating in the fullfillment of our way back home Realized this due to everyday life is the practical necessity to accept this fact of being fullheartedly without any reservation Living according this fact is the way back home thank you for your respones.... in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - anna Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:27 PM Re: What is I? Indeed Michael, being an impartial witness--watching one's lifeAND having the courage to live it in all its manifestations, its experiences of all dualities is to know that the universe is a benevolent creator.It gave us life, breath & being and in return we play out our roleof individuality with great fervor and in bliss. The identification with Anna is at least as important as knowing that awareness IS the identification of all roles everywhere, simultaneously and equally. Consciousness is awareness is manifestation and the truth of being.~A , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>> Dear Ann> > tku for your your response> > > I AM is> without beginning without end> without "suffering"> > in michaels "feeling" his own "suffering" is "only" a part of ego-acting> this ego-suffering has to be accepted fullheartedly without getting LOST in it> really KNOWING thats all part of the film called michaels life which a part of this being had to learn to watch from distance as a "not-judging observer"> > in ITS Grace> > michael> > > - > anna > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:10 PM> Re: What is I?> > > There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*.> > To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that.> > ~Anna > > , mango tree <oldmangotree@> wrote:> >> > for whom is that thought?> > > > TAT TVAM ASI ...> > > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> wrote:> > > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@>> > Re: Re: What is I?> > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends> > > > > > if SUFFERING> > > > who is suffering??? ????> > but really> > who REALLY is suffering???> > > > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > > us> > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > > > > michael> > > > > > - > > > > Andreas > > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > > AM> > > > Re: What is I?> > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "new7892001" <JB789@> wrote:> > >> > > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > > no reply...but> > > do you still suffer?> > > > > > , > > "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhagavan > > taught:Happiness alone exists.> > > > > > Besides that though i also > > want to ask you:> > What difference does it make for you if i > > or someone > > else suffer?> > > > All His Grace > > > > > > , > > "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > > Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > > is!> > > > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > > 'I'.> > > > > > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > > existence.> > > > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > Please help.> > > > > sundar> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > > > >> > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > > > >realise > > that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > > > >In fact the > > opposite is the case.> > > > >If one considers that the idea "I am > > the body" roots> > > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > > life after> > > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > > it> > > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > > also> > > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > > > > > >> > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > > become> > > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > > separate> > > > >from the quest.> > > > >> > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > > > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > > > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > > >unsuccessful.> > > > >> > > > >Help your self by giving > > up the idea that "you" as separate> > > > >entity can experience the > > Self as something objective.> > > > >> > > > >"Be still and > > know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > > > >> > > > > > >With His Grace,> > > > >> > > > >af> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > > www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > > 10/09/09 18:43:00> >> > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Heron Moon writes: " From Love to Love " as his signature line. When we understand that we realize we've always been home, there never was a separation from I to Thou, from God. Much love to you and yours Michael, ~Anna , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Anna > > GD is indeed " benevolent " > for michael in every aspect > even the most cruel act is in " the end " of participating in the fullfillment of our way back home > Realized this due to everyday life is the practical necessity to accept this fact of being fullheartedly without any reservation > Living according this fact is the way back home > > thank you for your respones.... > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > > > - > anna > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:27 PM > Re: What is I? > > > Indeed Michael, being an impartial witness--watching one's life > AND having the courage to live it in all its manifestations, its experiences of all dualities is to know that the universe is a benevolent creator. > > It gave us life, breath & being and in return we play out our role > of individuality with great fervor and in bliss. The identification with Anna is at least as important as knowing that awareness IS the identification of all roles everywhere, simultaneously and equally. > > Consciousness is awareness is manifestation and the truth of being. > > ~A > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ann > > > > tku for your your response > > > > > > I AM is > > without beginning without end > > without " suffering " > > > > in michaels " feeling " his own " suffering " is " only " a part of ego-acting > > this ego-suffering has to be accepted fullheartedly without getting LOST in it > > really KNOWING thats all part of the film called michaels life which a part of this being had to learn to watch from distance as a " not-judging observer " > > > > in ITS Grace > > > > michael > > > > > > - > > anna > > > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:10 PM > > Re: What is I? > > > > > > There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*. > > > > To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that. > > > > ~Anna > > > > , mango tree <oldmangotree@> wrote: > > > > > > for whom is that thought? > > > > > > TAT TVAM ASI ... > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> > > > Re: Re: What is I? > > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends > > > > > > > > > if SUFFERING > > > > > > who is suffering??? ???? > > > but really > > > who REALLY is suffering??? > > > > > > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > > > us > > > > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > > > AM > > > > > > Re: What is I? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " new7892001 " <JB789@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > > > no reply...but > > > > do you still suffer? > > > > > > > > , > > > " Andreas " <pandaena@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan > > > taught:Happiness alone exists. > > > > > > > > Besides that though i also > > > want to ask you: > > > What difference does it make for you if i > > > or someone > > > else suffer? > > > > > > All His Grace > > > > > > > > , > > > " sundar22ca " <sundar22ca@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > > > Consciousness is not an easily understood word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > > > is! > > > > > > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > > > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > > > 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I say that I exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > > > existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > > > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > > sundar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to > > > > > >realise > > > that the body isnt " I " ,is in my opinion false. > > > > > >In fact the > > > opposite is the case. > > > > > >If one considers that the idea " I am > > > the body " roots > > > > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > > > life after > > > > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > > > it > > > > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > > > also > > > > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > > > become > > > > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > > > separate > > > > > >from the quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence, > > > > > > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach > > > > > > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > > > >unsuccessful. > > > > > > > > > > > >Help your self by giving > > > up the idea that " you " as separate > > > > > >entity can experience the > > > Self as something objective. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Be still and > > > know I am God " , that is what stillness reveals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With His Grace, > > > > > > > > > > > >af > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > > > www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > > > 10/09/09 18:43:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00 > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 ....of course there is never a real separation in ITS Grace yours in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - anna Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:41 PM Re: What is I? Heron Moon writes: "From Love to Love" as his signature line. When we understand that we realize we've always been home, there neverwas a separation from I to Thou, from God.Much love to you and yours Michael,~Anna , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>> Dear Anna> > GD is indeed "benevolent"> for michael in every aspect> even the most cruel act is in "the end" of participating in the fullfillment of our way back home> Realized this due to everyday life is the practical necessity to accept this fact of being fullheartedly without any reservation> Living according this fact is the way back home> > thank you for your respones....> > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > michael> > > - > anna > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:27 PM> Re: What is I?> > > Indeed Michael, being an impartial witness--watching one's life> AND having the courage to live it in all its manifestations, its experiences of all dualities is to know that the universe is a benevolent creator.> > It gave us life, breath & being and in return we play out our role> of individuality with great fervor and in bliss. The identification with Anna is at least as important as knowing that awareness IS the identification of all roles everywhere, simultaneously and equally. > > Consciousness is awareness is manifestation and the truth of being.> > ~A> > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@> wrote:> >> > Dear Ann> > > > tku for your your response> > > > > > I AM is> > without beginning without end> > without "suffering"> > > > in michaels "feeling" his own "suffering" is "only" a part of ego-acting> > this ego-suffering has to be accepted fullheartedly without getting LOST in it> > really KNOWING thats all part of the film called michaels life which a part of this being had to learn to watch from distance as a "not-judging observer"> > > > in ITS Grace> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > anna > > > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:10 PM> > Re: What is I?> > > > > > There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*.> > > > To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that.> > > > ~Anna > > > > , mango tree <oldmangotree@> wrote:> > >> > > for whom is that thought?> > > > > > TAT TVAM ASI ...> > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> wrote:> > > > > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@>> > > Re: Re: What is I?> > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends> > > > > > > > > if SUFFERING> > > > > > who is suffering??? ????> > > but really> > > who REALLY is suffering???> > > > > > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > > > us> > > > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > > > > > > > michael> > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > > > AM> > > > > > Re: What is I?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "new7892001" <JB789@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > > > no reply...but> > > > do you still suffer?> > > > > > > > , > > > "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhagavan > > > taught:Happiness alone exists.> > > > > > > > Besides that though i also > > > want to ask you:> > > What difference does it make for you if i > > > or someone > > > else suffer?> > > > > > All His Grace > > > > > > > > , > > > "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > > > Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > > > is!> > > > > > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > > > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > > > 'I'.> > > > > > > > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > > > existence.> > > > > > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > > > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help.> > > > > > sundar> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > > > > >realise > > > that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > > > > >In fact the > > > opposite is the case.> > > > > >If one considers that the idea "I am > > > the body" roots> > > > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > > > life after> > > > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > > > it> > > > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > > > also> > > > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > > > become> > > > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > > > separate> > > > > >from the quest.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > > > > > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > > > > > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > > > >unsuccessful.> > > > > >> > > > > >Help your self by giving > > > up the idea that "you" as separate> > > > > >entity can experience the > > > Self as something objective.> > > > > >> > > > > >"Be still and > > > know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >With His Grace,> > > > > >> > > > > >af> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > > > www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > > > 10/09/09 18:43:00> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00> >> > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release 10/11/09 06:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 ....and please inform this soul who is HERON MOON michael - anna Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:41 PM Re: What is I? Heron Moon writes: "From Love to Love" as his signature line. When we understand that we realize we've always been home, there neverwas a separation from I to Thou, from God.Much love to you and yours Michael,~Anna , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>> Dear Anna> > GD is indeed "benevolent"> for michael in every aspect> even the most cruel act is in "the end" of participating in the fullfillment of our way back home> Realized this due to everyday life is the practical necessity to accept this fact of being fullheartedly without any reservation> Living according this fact is the way back home> > thank you for your respones....> > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > michael> > > - > anna > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:27 PM> Re: What is I?> > > Indeed Michael, being an impartial witness--watching one's life> AND having the courage to live it in all its manifestations, its experiences of all dualities is to know that the universe is a benevolent creator.> > It gave us life, breath & being and in return we play out our role> of individuality with great fervor and in bliss. The identification with Anna is at least as important as knowing that awareness IS the identification of all roles everywhere, simultaneously and equally. > > Consciousness is awareness is manifestation and the truth of being.> > ~A> > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@> wrote:> >> > Dear Ann> > > > tku for your your response> > > > > > I AM is> > without beginning without end> > without "suffering"> > > > in michaels "feeling" his own "suffering" is "only" a part of ego-acting> > this ego-suffering has to be accepted fullheartedly without getting LOST in it> > really KNOWING thats all part of the film called michaels life which a part of this being had to learn to watch from distance as a "not-judging observer"> > > > in ITS Grace> > > > michael> > > > > > - > > anna > > > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:10 PM> > Re: What is I?> > > > > > There is only the word *suffering*, and the experience *I Am* coming together in the experience of *suffering*.> > > > To know that *I am* and *suffering* is a universal experience is to know that both can be *transcended*. Each of us have his/her own experience of that.> > > > ~Anna > > > > , mango tree <oldmangotree@> wrote:> > >> > > for whom is that thought?> > > > > > TAT TVAM ASI ...> > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@> wrote:> > > > > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@>> > > Re: Re: What is I?> > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends> > > > > > > > > if SUFFERING> > > > > > who is suffering??? ????> > > but really> > > who REALLY is suffering???> > > > > > the answer IS of highest importance to all of > > > us> > > > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > > > > > > > michael> > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:20 > > > AM> > > > > > Re: What is I?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "new7892001" <JB789@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Oh Brilliant!.. .: > > > no reply...but> > > > do you still suffer?> > > > > > > > , > > > "Andreas" <pandaena@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhagavan > > > taught:Happiness alone exists.> > > > > > > > Besides that though i also > > > want to ask you:> > > What difference does it make for you if i > > > or someone > > > else suffer?> > > > > > All His Grace > > > > > > > > , > > > "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It does not take much of an effort to realise that the body is not 'I'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What then is this 'I'?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that the 'I' is the Consciousness. But, > > > Consciousness is not an easily understood word.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, suddenly, it is not clear what this 'I' is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so strange that I do not even know what 'I' > > > is!> > > > > > > > > > > > It is scary, since I can not even > > > experience my own 'I' clearly. Or, I can not dwell on the experience of my own > > > 'I'.> > > > > > > > > > > > I say that I exist.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I sure? Because, I can not experience that > > > existence.> > > > > > > > > > > > What should be the clearest > > > (since I am the 'I') is not at all clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help.> > > > > > sundar> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaste dear Sundar,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >the idea that it doesnt take much of an effort to> > > > > >realise > > > that the body isnt "I",is in my opinion false.> > > > > >In fact the > > > opposite is the case.> > > > > >If one considers that the idea "I am > > > the body" roots> > > > > >in the ignorance that has been cultivated > > > life after> > > > > >life,then it becomes very clear that to get rid of > > > it> > > > > >is indeed not only a matter of a great effort, but > > > also> > > > > >that without His Grace isnt attainable.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > By fully trusting His teachings it will eventually > > > become> > > > > >clear that the questioner cant be something > > > separate> > > > > >from the quest.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >You also say that you are not sure about your own existence,> > > > > > > > >something that directly shows that the way you approach> > > > > > > > >your own very self isnt spiritual,but intellectual and therefore > > > >unsuccessful.> > > > > >> > > > > >Help your self by giving > > > up the idea that "you" as separate> > > > > >entity can experience the > > > Self as something objective.> > > > > >> > > > > >"Be still and > > > know I am God", that is what stillness reveals.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >With His Grace,> > > > > >> > > > > >af> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - > > > www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release > > > 10/09/09 18:43:00> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00> >> > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release 10/10/09 06:39:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release 10/11/09 06:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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