Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? respectfully, _()_ yosy ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Dear Yosy, Satsang. All love, Yours in Bhagavan, Alan--- On Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: Yosy Flug <yosyflug a serious questionFriday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to askone questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering?respectfully,_()_yosyps. please reply honestly, or not at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > Dear Yosy, > > Satsang. > > All love, > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > Alan > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out. BOOM! jai jai ramanaji! _()_ yosy > > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug/* wrote: > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug > a serious question > To: > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > respectfully, > _()_ > yosy > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Dear alan I am staying in bangalore and went to thiruvannamali recently 3 times once for giripradskshina once spent full day in skandashram and once day in the temple after this i feel some times only thoughts will be there and there is no one to attend them is it correct rgds venkatesh Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs Sent: Fri, 23 October, 2009 7:51:22 AMRe: a serious question Dear Yosy, Satsang. All love, Yours in Bhagavan, Alan--- On Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il> wrote: Yosy Flug <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il> a serious questionFriday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to askone questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering?respectfully,_()_yosyps. please reply honestly, or not at all... Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Dear Yossi hopeful this "gathering" should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help. Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all. Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical. All the best to you dear friend michael ´´ - Yosy Flug Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM Re: a serious question Alan Jacobs wrote:> >> Dear Yosy,> > Satsang.> > All love,> > Yours in Bhagavan,> > Alan> yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out.BOOM! jai jai ramanaji!_()_yosy>>> --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il>/* wrote:>>> Yosy Flug <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il>> a serious question> To:> Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41>> > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask> one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering?>> respectfully,> _()_> yosy>> ps. please reply honestly, or not at all...>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release 10/22/09 08:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 hare krishna, namaskarams dear yossyflug, to know that you, me and all others in this world are one,only one the real. may lord krishna/or what you trust bless you baskaran --- On Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: Yosy Flug <yosyflug a serious questionFriday, 23 October, 2009, 6:11 AM salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to askone questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering?respectfully,_()_yosyps. please reply honestly, or not at all... Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Baskaran wrote: > > > hare krishna, namaskarams > > dear yossyflug, > to know that you, me and all others in this world are one,only one the > real. > > may lord krishna/or what you trust bless you > > baskaran > amen, friend baskaran..thanks. this is certainly beneficial. and alan our friend provided a clear and accurate answer, in one word: " satsang " . shabbat shalom all, yosy > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug/* wrote: > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug > a serious question > To: > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 6:11 AM > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > respectfully, > _()_ > yosy > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > ------ > Connect more, do more and share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 , Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > respectfully, > _()_ > yosy > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > Namaste dear yosy, > > In my understanding after Alans reply there is no need > to add something to it. > > Allow me to ask why you did ask that question dear friend? > > > respectfully, > > andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Andreas wrote: > > > > > > <%40>, Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > > > respectfully, > > _()_ > > yosy > > > > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > > > > > Namaste dear yosy, > > > > In my understanding after Alans reply there is no need > > to add something to it. > right. > > > > > Allow me to ask why you did ask that question dear friend? > to get alan's answer, apparently... shabbat shalom, andreas and all, and thanks! yosy > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > andreas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Yossi > > hopeful this " gathering " should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help. > Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all. > Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical. > > All the best to you dear friend > > > michael > > > Namaste dear Michael, > > with most respect to your point of view dear friend, > but your projection " sharing the obstacles " > is in my opinion the true obstacle. > > Furthermore you are often refering to " daily practice " , > as far as i understand His teachings, the only sufficient > practice is Self-Inquiry,isnt this enough? > respectfully, > andreas > - > Yosy Flug > > Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM > Re: a serious question > > > Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > Dear Yosy, > > > > Satsang. > > > > All love, > > > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > > > Alan > > > > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out. > > BOOM! jai jai ramanaji! > > _()_ > yosy > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug/* wrote: > > > > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug > > a serious question > > To: > > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 > > > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > > > respectfully, > > _()_ > > yosy > > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release 10/22/09 08:51:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 , Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: > > Andreas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Yosy Flug <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > > > > > respectfully, > > > _()_ > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear yosy, > > > > > > In my understanding after Alans reply there is no need > > > to add something to it. > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Allow me to ask why you did ask that question dear friend? > > > > to get alan's answer, apparently... > > shabbat shalom, andreas and all, and thanks! > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > andreas > > > > > >Dearest yosy, > > ha,ha,ha.. > > thanks! > > andreas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Dear Andreas thank you for your honest answer, which is well received by this person. Of course everything is looked at thru the "point of looking" of each person. B u t this alone is not wrong - as long as the viewer really knows this obstacle and gives hisher best to get in touch with the socalled "higher reality". This in itself needs much work on the personal level - seeing all the reactions of the bodýmind-system to that what is received and digested by itself. This ongoing selfexamination can only function if there is already somehow a real connection with the INNER BEING - better expressed, with that what makes us tick. Michael calls this sparkle of LIGHT. The question "Who am I" really is the starting point - at least it was it in michaels case around when he was around ten years old. Only when everything experienced by this socalled body-mind-system - everything! - is checked: why did it happen, why did this person not react or react in this or another way can this connection between the LIGHT the sparkle of light and the observer of all this somehow be connected. This connected is experienced daily moment for moment - if you are ready to SEE the interconnections. This michael calls Grace. And besides all this - Andreas - due to the experience of this person with thousands of humans in honest work being of "assistance" to them and of course to himself michael realized that so few are ready to sacrifice their wellloved habits of clinging to the usual habits of feeling etc that the readiness to start ANEW is mostly surpressed. Out of fear of changing out of fear of not being ready to let go everything used to. And of course of not being aligned with their INNER SELF. This connection is absolute necessary for understanding GRACE a n d in order to have confidence and inner knowledge that everything experienced is in tune with GD. When the question, michael calls this question a HOLY question is asked constantly and the readiness to listen to the INNER VOICE is present - than the words of our Sadguru are of course the signpost necessary. But they function only if the readines to COMPLETE SURRENDER - which means letting go the welloved ego - and jumping in the complete unknown without any security whatsoever - is accepted and lived. Thank you again for your contribution. Your questions are always welcomed in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Andreas Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:35 PM Re: a serious question , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>> Dear Yossi> > hopeful this "gathering" should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help.> Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all.> Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical.> > All the best to you dear friend> > > michael> > > Namaste dear Michael,> > with most respect to your point of view dear friend,> but your projection " sharing the obstacles "> is in my opinion the true obstacle.>> Furthermore you are often refering to "daily practice",> as far as i understand His teachings, the only sufficient> practice is Self-Inquiry,isnt this enough?> respectfully,> andreas> - > Yosy Flug > > Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM> Re: a serious question> > > Alan Jacobs wrote:> > > >> > Dear Yosy,> > > > Satsang.> > > > All love,> > > > Yours in Bhagavan,> > > > Alan> >> > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out.> > BOOM! jai jai ramanaji!> > _()_> yosy> >> >> > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug/* wrote:> >> >> > Yosy Flug <yosyflug> > a serious question> > To:> > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41> >> > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask> > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering?> >> > respectfully,> > _()_> > yosy> >> > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all...> >> > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release 10/22/09 08:51:00> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.28/2454 - Release 10/23/09 14:09:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Andreas > > thank you for your honest answer, which is well received by this person. > Of course everything is looked at thru the " point of looking " of each person. > B u t this alone is not wrong - as long as the viewer really knows this obstacle and gives hisher best to get in touch with the socalled " higher reality " . > This in itself needs much work on the personal level - seeing all the reactions of the bodýmind-system to that what is received and digested by itself. > This ongoing selfexamination can only function if there is already somehow a real connection with the INNER BEING - better expressed, with that what makes us tick. > Michael calls this sparkle of LIGHT. > > The question " Who am I " really is the starting point - at least it was it in michaels case around when he was around ten years old. > > Only when everything experienced by this socalled body-mind-system - everything! - is checked: why did it happen, why did this person not react or react in this or another way can this connection between the LIGHT the sparkle of light and the observer of all this somehow be connected. This connected is experienced daily moment for moment - if you are ready to SEE the interconnections. > This michael calls Grace. > > And besides all this - Andreas - due to the experience of this person with thousands of humans in honest work being of " assistance " to them and of course to himself michael realized that so few are ready to sacrifice their wellloved habits of clinging to the usual habits of feeling etc that the readiness to start ANEW is mostly surpressed. Out of fear of changing out of fear of not being ready to let go everything used to. And of course of not being aligned with their INNER SELF. > This connection is absolute necessary for understanding GRACE a n d in order to have confidence and inner knowledge that everything experienced is in tune with GD. > > When the question, michael calls this question a HOLY question is asked constantly and the readiness to listen to the INNER VOICE is present - than the words of our Sadguru are of course the signpost necessary. > > But they function only if the readines to COMPLETE SURRENDER - which means letting go the welloved ego - and jumping in the complete unknown without any security whatsoever - is accepted and lived. > > Thank you again for your contribution. > > Your questions are always welcomed > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > > > Dear Michael, > thank you for your particularized contribution. > The process you are describing is known to me > by my own experience. > > Nevertheless,without wanting to devaluate your > opinion i want to remind you that the goal of all > that Sadhana is peace of mind and not > that never ending intellectualizing. > > Please remember:what would you be without the > stories you are telling about your self? > > Always yours in Bhagavan > andreas - > Andreas > > Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:35 PM > Re: a serious question > > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Dear Yossi > > > > hopeful this " gathering " should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help. > > Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all. > > Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical. > > > > All the best to you dear friend > > > > > > michael > > > > > > Namaste dear Michael, > > > > with most respect to your point of view dear friend, > > but your projection " sharing the obstacles " > > is in my opinion the true obstacle. > > > > Furthermore you are often refering to " daily practice " , > > as far as i understand His teachings, the only sufficient > > practice is Self-Inquiry,isnt this enough? > > > respectfully, > > > andreas > > > - > > Yosy Flug > > > > Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM > > Re: a serious question > > > > > > Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Yosy, > > > > > > Satsang. > > > > > > All love, > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out. > > > > BOOM! jai jai ramanaji! > > > > _()_ > > yosy > > > > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug@> > > > a serious question > > > To: > > > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 > > > > > > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > > > > > respectfully, > > > _()_ > > > yosy > > > > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release 10/22/09 08:51:00 > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.28/2454 - Release 10/23/09 14:09:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 - Andreas Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:51 AM Re: a serious question > Please remember:what would you be without the > stories you are telling about your self? A smelly onion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 , " Radhe " <shaantih wrote: > > > - > Andreas > > Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:51 AM > Re: a serious question > > > > Please remember:what would you be without the > > stories you are telling about your self? > > > > A smelly onion? > Onions and garlic are good for you. Especially during cold and flu season. And garlic serves a double purpose, keeps werewolves and vampires away, though I think that's just an old wives tale, about the garlic I mean. ~A ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Dear Michael, I think what Andreas is pointing out is a good hint. In " Who am I? " Ramana points out that one should not examine the waste. " Who am I? " does not mean to examine all those things or the " sheats " of the ego: why did this and that happen, what I experience ... - but to go back to the true quest - or just surrender. The endless examinations create the obstacles, and there will be no end with it. You can continue such like endlessly. It is like a dog trying to bite in its own tail and it makes the mind very restless. Ramana says somewhere also that thinking on obstacles is the true obstacle. Kind regards Gabriele , " Andreas " <pandaena wrote: > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Dear Andreas > > > > thank you for your honest answer, which is well received by this person. > > Of course everything is looked at thru the " point of looking " of each person. > > B u t this alone is not wrong - as long as the viewer really knows this obstacle and gives hisher best to get in touch with the socalled " higher reality " . > > This in itself needs much work on the personal level - seeing all the reactions of the bodýmind-system to that what is received and digested by itself. > > This ongoing selfexamination can only function if there is already somehow a real connection with the INNER BEING - better expressed, with that what makes us tick. > > Michael calls this sparkle of LIGHT. > > > > The question " Who am I " really is the starting point - at least it was it in michaels case around when he was around ten years old. > > > > Only when everything experienced by this socalled body-mind-system - everything! - is checked: why did it happen, why did this person not react or react in this or another way can this connection between the LIGHT the sparkle of light and the observer of all this somehow be connected. This connected is experienced daily moment for moment - if you are ready to SEE the interconnections. > > This michael calls Grace. > > > > And besides all this - Andreas - due to the experience of this person with thousands of humans in honest work being of " assistance " to them and of course to himself michael realized that so few are ready to sacrifice their wellloved habits of clinging to the usual habits of feeling etc that the readiness to start ANEW is mostly surpressed. Out of fear of changing out of fear of not being ready to let go everything used to. And of course of not being aligned with their INNER SELF. > > This connection is absolute necessary for understanding GRACE a n d in order to have confidence and inner knowledge that everything experienced is in tune with GD. > > > > When the question, michael calls this question a HOLY question is asked constantly and the readiness to listen to the INNER VOICE is present - than the words of our Sadguru are of course the signpost necessary. > > > > But they function only if the readines to COMPLETE SURRENDER - which means letting go the welloved ego - and jumping in the complete unknown without any security whatsoever - is accepted and lived. > > > > Thank you again for your contribution. > > > > Your questions are always welcomed > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > Dear Michael, > > thank you for your particularized contribution. > > The process you are describing is known to me > > by my own experience. > > > > Nevertheless,without wanting to devaluate your > > opinion i want to remind you that the goal of all > > that Sadhana is peace of mind and not > > that never ending intellectualizing. > > > > Please remember:what would you be without the > > stories you are telling about your self? > > > > Always yours in Bhagavan > > andreas > > - > > Andreas > > > > Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:35 PM > > Re: a serious question > > > > > > > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Yossi > > > > > > hopeful this " gathering " should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help. > > > Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all. > > > Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical. > > > > > > All the best to you dear friend > > > > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Michael, > > > > > > with most respect to your point of view dear friend, > > > but your projection " sharing the obstacles " > > > is in my opinion the true obstacle. > > > > > > Furthermore you are often refering to " daily practice " , > > > as far as i understand His teachings, the only sufficient > > > practice is Self-Inquiry,isnt this enough? > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > andreas > > > > > - > > > Yosy Flug > > > > > > Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM > > > Re: a serious question > > > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yosy, > > > > > > > > Satsang. > > > > > > > > All love, > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out. > > > > > > BOOM! jai jai ramanaji! > > > > > > _()_ > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug@> > > > > a serious question > > > > To: > > > > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 > > > > > > > > > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > > > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > _()_ > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.28/2454 - Release 10/23/09 14:09:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Dear Gabriele your mail is very welcome indeed what you express is shared by me wholeheartedly but at the same time i realized thru practical and not theoretical experiences with so many others how they use highest spiritual truths as a shield behind that they keep practicing all their old habits. Specially seeing that those continue to disrespect LIFE itself by spreading prejudices whatsoever against those who do not share their beliefsystem. Of course - and this again is experienced by myself in all fields - "discussing" any subject is futile - as long as all concerned are not ready to question themselves always. Why do i still "try" to share with others that what i discover whats going on in this world; mostly deeply hidden from those who influence mass media? Because there are "out there" some who really want to know the "truth" behind the surface and are not yet ready to disconnect themselves completely from "wordly affairs". Rest assured that i know very well this dilemma. Knowing very well that if you really have understood all the essential points of our way back home there is no need at all to look how "to help", to be in companion with others in order to share wonderful theoretical holy scriptures of every fold. When SILENCE reigns no need of all this is felt. And in those precious situations, which i experience very often, you feel, see and smell the PRESENCE OF GD always and you see that all "bad whats going on and always was going on" is something which cannot disturb yourself anymore. Because for someone like me DEATH in every form has lost its "ugly face". What finally i understood with ego-pain: DAS BOESE the bad in itself is part of everyone and is part of human love - as natural in duality. B u t the LOVE i give my best to live practically in nondual. Still it HURTS to see the effect of the banality of bad - Hannah Arendt - on so many humans; their readiness to act in the way of the BAD thru their notreadiness to listen... But this is the hurting lesson for myself - to accept this as a matter of fact of LIVE, which i am grateful to live. As this is Grace indeed. Thank you again for your understanding words as i felt immedeately the energy flowing from yourself to my self. With all due respect yours always michael - sadhaka1960 Monday, October 26, 2009 10:35 PM Re: a serious question Dear Michael,I think what Andreas is pointing out is a good hint. In "Who am I?" Ramana points out that one should not examine the waste. "Who am I?" does not mean to examine all those things or the "sheats" of the ego: why did this and that happen, what I experience ... - but to go back to the true quest - or just surrender. The endless examinations create the obstacles, and there will be no end with it. You can continue such like endlessly. It is like a dog trying to bite in its own tail and it makes the mind very restless. Ramana says somewhere also that thinking on obstacles is the true obstacle. Kind regardsGabriele , "Andreas" <pandaena wrote:>> > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@> wrote:> >> > Dear Andreas> > > > thank you for your honest answer, which is well received by this person.> > Of course everything is looked at thru the "point of looking" of each person.> > B u t this alone is not wrong - as long as the viewer really knows this obstacle and gives hisher best to get in touch with the socalled "higher reality".> > This in itself needs much work on the personal level - seeing all the reactions of the bodýmind-system to that what is received and digested by itself. > > This ongoing selfexamination can only function if there is already somehow a real connection with the INNER BEING - better expressed, with that what makes us tick.> > Michael calls this sparkle of LIGHT.> > > > The question "Who am I" really is the starting point - at least it was it in michaels case around when he was around ten years old.> > > > Only when everything experienced by this socalled body-mind-system - everything! - is checked: why did it happen, why did this person not react or react in this or another way can this connection between the LIGHT the sparkle of light and the observer of all this somehow be connected. This connected is experienced daily moment for moment - if you are ready to SEE the interconnections.> > This michael calls Grace.> > > > And besides all this - Andreas - due to the experience of this person with thousands of humans in honest work being of "assistance" to them and of course to himself michael realized that so few are ready to sacrifice their wellloved habits of clinging to the usual habits of feeling etc that the readiness to start ANEW is mostly surpressed. Out of fear of changing out of fear of not being ready to let go everything used to. And of course of not being aligned with their INNER SELF. > > This connection is absolute necessary for understanding GRACE a n d in order to have confidence and inner knowledge that everything experienced is in tune with GD.> > > > When the question, michael calls this question a HOLY question is asked constantly and the readiness to listen to the INNER VOICE is present - than the words of our Sadguru are of course the signpost necessary.> > > > But they function only if the readines to COMPLETE SURRENDER - which means letting go the welloved ego - and jumping in the complete unknown without any security whatsoever - is accepted and lived.> > > > Thank you again for your contribution.> > > > Your questions are always welcomed> > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi> > > > > > michael> >> > >> > Dear Michael,> > thank you for your particularized contribution.> > The process you are describing is known to me> > by my own experience.> >> > Nevertheless,without wanting to devaluate your> > opinion i want to remind you that the goal of all> > that Sadhana is peace of mind and not> > that never ending intellectualizing.> >> > Please remember:what would you be without the> > stories you are telling about your self?> >> > Always yours in Bhagavan> > andreas> > > > > > > > > - > > Andreas > > > > Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:35 PM> > Re: a serious question> > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Yossi> > > > > > hopeful this "gathering" should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help.> > > Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all.> > > Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical.> > > > > > All the best to you dear friend> > > > > > > > > michael> > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Michael,> > > > > > with most respect to your point of view dear friend,> > > but your projection " sharing the obstacles "> > > is in my opinion the true obstacle.> > >> > > Furthermore you are often refering to "daily practice",> > > as far as i understand His teachings, the only sufficient> > > practice is Self-Inquiry,isnt this enough?> > > > > respectfully,> > > > > andreas> > > > > - > > > Yosy Flug > > > > > > Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM> > > Re: a serious question> > > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Yosy,> > > > > > > > Satsang.> > > > > > > > All love,> > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan,> > > > > > > > Alan> > > >> > > > > > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out.> > > > > > BOOM! jai jai ramanaji!> > > > > > _()_> > > yosy> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug@>/* wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug@>> > > > a serious question> > > > To:> > > > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41> > > >> > > > > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask> > > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering?> > > >> > > > respectfully,> > > > _()_> > > > yosy> > > >> > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all...> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release 10/22/09 08:51:00> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.28/2454 - Release 10/23/09 14:09:00> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2460 - Release 10/26/09 08:10:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 , " sadhaka1960 " <g.ebert wrote: > > Dear Michael, > > I think what Andreas is pointing out is a good hint. In " Who am I? " Ramana points out that one should not examine the waste. " Who am I? " does not mean to examine all those things or the " sheats " of the ego: why did this and that happen, what I experience ... - but to go back to the true quest - or just surrender. The endless examinations create the obstacles, and there will be no end with it. You can continue such like endlessly. It is like a dog trying to bite in its own tail and it makes the mind very restless. > Ramana says somewhere also that thinking on obstacles is the true obstacle. > > Kind regards > Gabriele > > > > , " Andreas " <pandaena@> wrote: > Dear Gabriele, >> Yes. That is exactly what I pointed out. >> Besides that I want to ask you if >> you are interested to communicate with me in >> german. >> >> Warm regards, >> Andreas > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Andreas > > > > > > thank you for your honest answer, which is well received by this person. > > > Of course everything is looked at thru the " point of looking " of each person. > > > B u t this alone is not wrong - as long as the viewer really knows this obstacle and gives hisher best to get in touch with the socalled " higher reality " . > > > This in itself needs much work on the personal level - seeing all the reactions of the bodýmind-system to that what is received and digested by itself. > > > This ongoing selfexamination can only function if there is already somehow a real connection with the INNER BEING - better expressed, with that what makes us tick. > > > Michael calls this sparkle of LIGHT. > > > > > > The question " Who am I " really is the starting point - at least it was it in michaels case around when he was around ten years old. > > > > > > Only when everything experienced by this socalled body-mind-system - everything! - is checked: why did it happen, why did this person not react or react in this or another way can this connection between the LIGHT the sparkle of light and the observer of all this somehow be connected. This connected is experienced daily moment for moment - if you are ready to SEE the interconnections. > > > This michael calls Grace. > > > > > > And besides all this - Andreas - due to the experience of this person with thousands of humans in honest work being of " assistance " to them and of course to himself michael realized that so few are ready to sacrifice their wellloved habits of clinging to the usual habits of feeling etc that the readiness to start ANEW is mostly surpressed. Out of fear of changing out of fear of not being ready to let go everything used to. And of course of not being aligned with their INNER SELF. > > > This connection is absolute necessary for understanding GRACE a n d in order to have confidence and inner knowledge that everything experienced is in tune with GD. > > > > > > When the question, michael calls this question a HOLY question is asked constantly and the readiness to listen to the INNER VOICE is present - than the words of our Sadguru are of course the signpost necessary. > > > > > > But they function only if the readines to COMPLETE SURRENDER - which means letting go the welloved ego - and jumping in the complete unknown without any security whatsoever - is accepted and lived. > > > > > > Thank you again for your contribution. > > > > > > Your questions are always welcomed > > > > > > > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michael, > > > thank you for your particularized contribution. > > > The process you are describing is known to me > > > by my own experience. > > > > > > Nevertheless,without wanting to devaluate your > > > opinion i want to remind you that the goal of all > > > that Sadhana is peace of mind and not > > > that never ending intellectualizing. > > > > > > Please remember:what would you be without the > > > stories you are telling about your self? > > > > > > Always yours in Bhagavan > > > andreas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Andreas > > > > > > Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:35 PM > > > Re: a serious question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Yossi > > > > > > > > hopeful this " gathering " should be a place where everyone can share his obstacles walking the walk back home with others. But only if others are ready to share their experiences on their way with their obstacles can this meeting place be of help. > > > > Even if our Sadguru is not present bodily this possibility would serve us all. > > > > Just exchanging wonderful holy words without caring for the way this insight can be brought into daily practice is somehow not practical. > > > > > > > > All the best to you dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Michael, > > > > > > > > with most respect to your point of view dear friend, > > > > but your projection " sharing the obstacles " > > > > is in my opinion the true obstacle. > > > > > > > > Furthermore you are often refering to " daily practice " , > > > > as far as i understand His teachings, the only sufficient > > > > practice is Self-Inquiry,isnt this enough? > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > andreas > > > > > > > - > > > > Yosy Flug > > > > > > > > Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 AM > > > > Re: a serious question > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yosy, > > > > > > > > > > Satsang. > > > > > > > > > > All love, > > > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes! right! thank you, dear brother, for pointing this out. > > > > > > > > BOOM! jai jai ramanaji! > > > > > > > > _()_ > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, Yosy Flug /<yosyflug@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug@> > > > > > a serious question > > > > > To: > > > > > Friday, 23 October, 2009, 1:41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > salaams, dear friends and companions. allow me to ask > > > > > one questiononly: what is the purpose of this gathering? > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > _()_ > > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > ps. please reply honestly, or not at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.28/2454 - Release Date: 10/23/09 14:09:00 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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