Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer . This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time. Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Ramesh Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? digging into this crucial question is in itself a wonderful SELF-INQUIRY and it has to be asked all the time - till the HOLY QUESTION "who am I" is solved by letting go everything including the personality in itself and the "entity" accepting that we are never the DOER I T is living thru us using us as a vessel all PRINCIPLES which are used as "Holy Cows" are again work of the "ego" and a stumbling block to being HAPPY but not happy in the normal human sense - the ETERNAL HAPPINESS being ALIGNED WITH THE SOURCE OF ALL which we call by name we choose but never using this "word" again as a "HOLY COW" yours in Bhagavan michael P.S. always have really LOVED cows had a intuite contact with them so the use of the expression "Holy Cow" is not meant as offending the kingdom of COWS and of course not those indians among us who follow the PATH OF LOVE - ramesh chivukula Friday, November 06, 2009 10:19 AM This Entity.... My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer . This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time. Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer . > > This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time. > > Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this " entity " ? > > > > > ...and there comes the mega-treatment my dear friend, > Self-inquiry. Who gets carried away, who gets fooled, > and finaly who's asking? > Besides that beeing " a happy nobody " is the same obstacle as beeing an unhappy Ramesh, does it make sense? > Andreas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Michael , Thank you for your response ..yes indeed we are nothing but empty vessels.. just reproduicng a poem of mine below : Empty Vessel Is there a treasure Greater than HIS GRACE ? Doing this , doing that ; Studying this , studying that Have all been of no avail. The moment HIS GRACE Dawned on me ; There has been a paridgm shift In the state of my being. No longer do I need anything; Just nothing.. Let whatever happen to This body of mine . It would indeed suffice for me To just catch hold of the Golden tail of Sri Hanumanji. Now I can keep my eyes closed. Let HIM carry me wherever HE wants .. Let HIM get done whatever HE wants .. Let me be just an empty vessel Which is all am ! --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindelRe: This Entity.... Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:13 PM Dear Ramesh Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? digging into this crucial question is in itself a wonderful SELF-INQUIRY and it has to be asked all the time - till the HOLY QUESTION "who am I" is solved by letting go everything including the personality in itself and the "entity" accepting that we are never the DOER I T is living thru us using us as a vessel all PRINCIPLES which are used as "Holy Cows" are again work of the "ego" and a stumbling block to being HAPPY but not happy in the normal human sense - the ETERNAL HAPPINESS being ALIGNED WITH THE SOURCE OF ALL which we call by name we choose but never using this "word" again as a "HOLY COW" yours in Bhagavan michael P.S. always have really LOVED cows had a intuite contact with them so the use of the expression "Holy Cow" is not meant as offending the kingdom of COWS and of course not those indians among us who follow the PATH OF LOVE - ramesh chivukula Friday, November 06, 2009 10:19 AM This Entity.... My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer . This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time. Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Andreas .. Yes you have a point there...as long as "this " entity continues to imagine its existence either as a nobody or a miserable one ; the obstacle to BEING will be felt ... thank you.. all love ramesh --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Andreas <pandaena wrote: Andreas <pandaena Re: This Entity.... Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:20 PM , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>> My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer .> > This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time.> > Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ?> >>>> ...and there comes the mega-treatment my dear friend,> Self-inquiry. Who gets carried away, who gets fooled,> and finaly who's asking?> Besides that beeing "a happy nobody" is the same obstacleas beeing an unhappy Ramesh, does it make sense?> Andreas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009  wonderful .....but not even wanting to catch the tail.... JUST BEING what a wonderful way to unlearn all false in GD michael - ramesh chivukula Friday, November 06, 2009 12:17 PM Re: This Entity.... Dear Michael , Thank you for your response ..yes indeed we are nothing but empty vessels.. just reproduicng a poem of mine below : Empty Vessel Is there a treasure Greater than HIS GRACE ? Doing this , doing that ; Studying this , studying that Have all been of no avail. The moment HIS GRACE Dawned on me ; There has been a paridgm shift In the state of my being. No longer do I need anything; Just nothing.. Let whatever happen to This body of mine . It would indeed suffice for me To just catch hold of the Golden tail of Sri Hanumanji. Now I can keep my eyes closed. Let HIM carry me wherever HE wants .. Let HIM get done whatever HE wants .. Let me be just an empty vessel Which is all am ! --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> wrote: Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu>Re: This Entity.... Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:13 PM Dear Ramesh Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? digging into this crucial question is in itself a wonderful SELF-INQUIRY and it has to be asked all the time - till the HOLY QUESTION "who am I" is solved by letting go everything including the personality in itself and the "entity" accepting that we are never the DOER I T is living thru us using us as a vessel all PRINCIPLES which are used as "Holy Cows" are again work of the "ego" and a stumbling block to being HAPPY but not happy in the normal human sense - the ETERNAL HAPPINESS being ALIGNED WITH THE SOURCE OF ALL which we call by name we choose but never using this "word" again as a "HOLY COW" yours in Bhagavan michael P.S. always have really LOVED cows had a intuite contact with them so the use of the expression "Holy Cow" is not meant as offending the kingdom of COWS and of course not those indians among us who follow the PATH OF LOVE - ramesh chivukula Friday, November 06, 2009 10:19 AM This Entity.... My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer . This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time. Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Date:  Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:57:52 -0800 (PST) >  ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv >Subject:  Re: Re: This Entity.... >To:  > > > > Dear Andreas .. > > Yes you have a point there...as long as " this " > entity continues to imagine its existence either as > a nobody or a miserable one ; the obstacle to BEING > will be felt ... > > thank you.. > > all love > > ramesh yes, dear ramesh. our friend andreas shared a correct observation; identity - any identity - is illusory and source of delusion. thanks! I am, Self identity Is a donkey. Mind, name, form, feelings Emotions, cravings, hopes and fears All included… merely an ass. We all are donkeys, whether considered most intelligent And revered as such Or regarded as the dumbest of the dumb… No different from plain asses – Likewise subject to birth, growth, decay and death. But the remember, friend, Lucky seeker after truth, That the master, the all pervading Nameless and impersonal self Is boundless and beyond time. Peerless ghost rider Directing and guiding all donkeys, The herd owner and sustainer Is the same resplendent one and only, Birth-less and deathless reality. There is no other god. So Wake up from dreams of selfhood, oh fortunate! Friend of bright prospects, Enjoy the frolics Of the dead donkey – While there is time. shabbat shalom all, yosy ps. the above is from " the illuminated donkey book of secrets " nnb > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Andreas <pandaena > wrote: > > Andreas <pandaena > Re: This > Entity.... > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:20 PM > > > > , ramesh > chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed > at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i > often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just > relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. > When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no > ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes > care of itself . I have no problem with either the > script or the script writer . > > > > This story after all will be of no consequence > and like a salt water thrown into the sea , > memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will > be long gone , buried in the sands of time. > > > > Why then do I get carried away every now and > then and get fooled by these independant > activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears > to have got attached this " entity " ? > > > > > > > > > > ...and there comes the mega-treatment my dear > friend, > > Self-inquiry. Who gets carried away, who gets > fooled, > > and finaly who's asking? > > > Besides that beeing " a happy nobody " is the same > obstacle > as beeing an unhappy Ramesh, does it make sense? > > > Andreas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Ramesh, I hope I have been able to understand your questions well, though I am not sure of it. I share my thoughts with you. " My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as I often imagine. He keeps prompting me to just relax, gently let go of all my mind concepts. " Both these are thoughts. Like we use a pointer. Ultimately these thoughts too have to drop off. Otherwise they will also interfere. While in meditation(or carrying enquiry) it is better not to use pointers and bring out concepts. It is like backdoor entry of ego. They will cause interference. " When am at home; I have no fear, no longing, no ambition. Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself. I have no problem with either the script or the script writer " Are you saying that you have surrendered, the `I' notion is not there (Am nobody), and are peaceful? The proof of `I' notion not being there is that you will not be able to raise even a single thought what so ever, during that period. The happiness in such period is indeed by whatever name it is called, has no opposite. It is perfect peace. If you are not meaning the absence of `I' notion, perhaps you would like to say that there is less thought activity and you are not drawn into reactions and emotions and so you experience relative peace. You seem to say that in such situations you have no conflicts with what is happening around you, to you and in you. " This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea, memories both pleasant as well as unpleasant will be long gone, buried in the sands of time. " ??? " Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independent activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this " entity " ? " Yet, why am I lost out in thoughts? Is this the question? At times, you seem to have periods of less thought activity. You feel that you have achieved some success, made real progress. During such periods the enquiry also will proceed well. But to your dismay you find that at other times there is more thought activity (to the extent enquiry does not go well too). In practice this is how it goes. Don't be disheartened and be hard on your self. Accept it. There are periods when Satwa guna is predominant in which you experience quietness. Use such periods well to carry out enquiry. There are other periods when Rajas and Tamas predominate in which there will be more thought and bodily activity. Even though you may not be able to carryout enquiry well in such situations, your awareness of and recognizing that kind of thought activity is in itself a progress. You are witnessing the changing gunas and corresponding thought and body activity. In your awareness and course of practice that thought activity slows down. It carries certain momentum. Each attempt you make in carrying out enquiry even if does not seem to be successful, will have its beneficial effect. In course of your practice Rajas and Tamas will get gradually converted to Satwa and you will find that your progress is accelerating. Trust this makes sense. Yours in Bhagavan, Ramamohan , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > > My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer . > > This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time. > > Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this " entity " ? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Dear Ramamohan , Nice to meet you , dear brother ..ofcourse what you say makes perefct sense. Very well said ( and felt) ..i do share my feelings quite openly ; with all the seeming ups and downs we , as imagined entities , do appear to go through; Ultimately Indeed HIS will alone prevails and all will be well ...The less the thought process ; the more the inner aidance in the heart...And to top it all HIS Grace is always abudantly available to draw and to revel in... let us keep in touch through the sangha which has been a wonderful platform for heart to heart exchanges all love ramesh --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Ramamohan <srmnanduri wrote: Ramamohan <srmnanduri Re: This Entity.... Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 11:07 PM Dear Ramesh, I hope I have been able to understand your questions well, though I am not sure of it. I share my thoughts with you. "My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as I often imagine. He keeps prompting me to just relax, gently let go of all my mind concepts."Both these are thoughts. Like we use a pointer. Ultimately these thoughts too have to drop off. Otherwise they will also interfere. While in meditation(or carrying enquiry) it is better not to use pointers and bring out concepts. It is like backdoor entry of ego. They will cause interference."When am at home; I have no fear, no longing, no ambition. Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself. I have no problem with either the script or the script writer" Are you saying that you have surrendered, the `I' notion is not there (Am nobody), and are peaceful? The proof of `I' notion not being there is that you will not be able to raise even a single thought what so ever, during that period. The happiness in such period is indeed by whatever name it is called, has no opposite. It is perfect peace. If you are not meaning the absence of `I' notion, perhaps you would like to say that there is less thought activity and you are not drawn into reactions and emotions and so you experience relative peace. You seem to say that in such situations you have no conflicts with what is happening around you, to you and in you. "This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea, memories both pleasant as well as unpleasant will be long gone, buried in the sands of time."???"Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independent activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity"?"Yet, why am I lost out in thoughts? Is this the question?At times, you seem to have periods of less thought activity. You feel that you have achieved some success, made real progress. During such periods the enquiry also will proceed well. But to your dismay you find that at other times there is more thought activity (to the extent enquiry does not go well too). In practice this is how it goes. Don't be disheartened and be hard on your self. Accept it. There are periods when Satwa guna is predominant in which you experience quietness. Use such periods well to carry out enquiry. There are other periods when Rajas and Tamas predominate in which there will be more thought and bodily activity. Even though you may not be able to carryout enquiry well in such situations, your awareness of and recognizing that kind of thought activity is in itself a progress. You are witnessing the changing gunas and corresponding thought and body activity. In your awareness and course of practice that thought activity slows down. It carries certain momentum. Each attempt you make in carrying out enquiry even if does not seem to be successful, will have its beneficial effect. In course of your practice Rajas and Tamas will get gradually converted to Satwa and you will find that your progress is accelerating.Trust this makes sense.Yours in Bhagavan, Ramamohan, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>> My Inner Guru keeps reminding me that am indeed at home and not lost somewhere in a desert as i often imagine . He keeps prompting me to just relax , gently let go of all my mind concepts. When am at home ; i have no fear , no longing , no ambition . Am just a happy nobody. The Leela takes care of itself . I have no problem with either the script or the script writer .> > This story after all will be of no consequence and like a salt water thrown into the sea , memories both pleasant as well as unpleasnt will be long gone , buried in the sands of time.> > Why then do I get carried away every now and then and get fooled by these independant activities of the Ego-Mind which somehow appears to have got attached this "entity" ?> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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