Only in death.

[Guest guest]

The one who believes in liberation, freedom, salvation and enlightenment

believes in death. For a body can be free, liberated, salvated, and enlightened,

only in death.

 

But death is not real, does not exist, the mind can imagine the not real to

exist, but only in imagination.

 

To identify with death, is to identify with nothing, but nothing does not exist

so how can you identify with something that does not exist, in your imagination.

 

 

This is not to say that it is wrong to identify with nothing and death it is the

right way as long as you realize that you believe in fantasy, that you believe

with your imagination, that you know and that your knowledge are imagined and

not real.

 

 

To say this is the right way and there is no other, is equally wrong as to say

there is no ego in death. Or in god, or in the mirror.

 

The ego of I am death is strong.

 

Once you realize the I am death, you realize that you become everyone, and that

everyone becomes you.

 

And when you realize that everyone was once you, and that you were once

everyone, you begin to speak to your other selves as if you talked to yourself,

to your own self.

 

So please, whoever is not at the stage of I am death, remain silent now, let

only the dead speak, the one who knows is me.

 

To say that you are everyone, includes their egos, their illusions, their

believes, their minds. But their minds are like silly mirrors who believe in

what they see. I do not want to speak to those mirrors who are not me, I want to

speak to me and myself, and all who see themselves in me.

 

In these words, I am you, I am your thoughts, your feelings, your senses, I am

all that makes up you and your body, for I am the great nothing, and here I wait

for you, at the end of your world, I am death. Your death.

 

Once you realize death's nature, you become one with me, and you become one with

all and everyone, for everyone arose out of that great nothing, and everyone

will die and become who you are.

 

 

Now let the dead speak.

 

 

" the one is right who sees himself in the others, and the others in himself,

cause how can one be wrong who knows, that he is the others, and the others

himself. "

[Guest guest]

Dear Cora,

 

For liberation the only death is the death of the 'ego brought about by Self Enquiry and Devotion'. It is not a case of physical death. Although at the point of death one can more easily surrender the 'ego' and this will lead to liberation. Keep it simple.

 

Love,

 

Alan--- On Fri, 18/12/09, black_machine_2 <black_machine_2 wrote:

black_machine_2 <black_machine_2 Only in death. Date: Friday, 18 December, 2009, 13:09

The one who believes in liberation, freedom, salvation and enlightenment believes in death. For a body can be free, liberated, salvated, and enlightened, only in death.But death is not real, does not exist, the mind can imagine the not real to exist, but only in imagination.To identify with death, is to identify with nothing, but nothing does not exist so how can you identify with something that does not exist, in your imagination.This is not to say that it is wrong to identify with nothing and death it is the right way as long as you realize that you believe in fantasy, that you believe with your imagination, that you know and that your knowledge are imagined and not real.To say this is the right way and there is no other, is equally wrong as to say there is no ego in death. Or in god, or in the mirror. The ego of I am death is strong. Once you realize the I am death, you realize that you become

everyone, and that everyone becomes you.And when you realize that everyone was once you, and that you were once everyone, you begin to speak to your other selves as if you talked to yourself, to your own self.So please, whoever is not at the stage of I am death, remain silent now, let only the dead speak, the one who knows is me. To say that you are everyone, includes their egos, their illusions, their believes, their minds. But their minds are like silly mirrors who believe in what they see. I do not want to speak to those mirrors who are not me, I want to speak to me and myself, and all who see themselves in me.In these words, I am you, I am your thoughts, your feelings, your senses, I am all that makes up you and your body, for I am the great nothing, and here I wait for you, at the end of your world, I am death. Your death.Once you realize death's nature, you become one with me, and you become one with all and

everyone, for everyone arose out of that great nothing, and everyone will die and become who you are.Now let the dead speak."the one is right who sees himself in the others, and the others in himself, cause how can one be wrong who knows, that he is the others, and the others himself."

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Day By Day With Bhagavan, 17-6-46

In continuation of yesterday's conversation about Tennyson, the relevant passage

was found in a footnote to the English translation of Upadesa Saram. It was not

in a poem but in a letter to B.P. Blood. Bhagavan asked me to read it out, so I

did: " . . . .a kind of waking trance I have frequently had, quite up from

boyhood, when I have been all alone. This has generally come upon me through

repeating my own name two or three times to myself, silently, till all at once,

as it were out of the intensity of consciousness of individuality, the

individuality itself seemed to dissolve and fade away into boundless being: and

this not a confused state but the clearest of the clearest, the surest of the

surest, the weirdest of the weirdest, utterly beyond words, where death was an

almost laughable impossibility, the loss of personality (if so it were) seeming

no extinction but the only true life. "

Bhagavan said, " That state is called abidance in the Self " .

Love

Yours in Bhagavan

Ramamohan

 

, " black_machine_2 " <black_machine_2

wrote:

>

>

> The one who believes in liberation, freedom, salvation and enlightenment

believes in death. For a body can be free, liberated, salvated, and enlightened,

only in death.

>

> But death is not real, does not exist, the mind can imagine the not real to

exist, but only in imagination.

>

> To identify with death, is to identify with nothing, but nothing does not

exist so how can you identify with something that does not exist, in your

imagination.

>

>

> This is not to say that it is wrong to identify with nothing and death it is

the right way as long as you realize that you believe in fantasy, that you

believe with your imagination, that you know and that your knowledge are

imagined and not real.

>

>

> To say this is the right way and there is no other, is equally wrong as to say

there is no ego in death. Or in god, or in the mirror.

>

> The ego of I am death is strong.

>

> Once you realize the I am death, you realize that you become everyone, and

that everyone becomes you.

>

> And when you realize that everyone was once you, and that you were once

everyone, you begin to speak to your other selves as if you talked to yourself,

to your own self.

>

> So please, whoever is not at the stage of I am death, remain silent now, let

only the dead speak, the one who knows is me.

>

> To say that you are everyone, includes their egos, their illusions, their

believes, their minds. But their minds are like silly mirrors who believe in

what they see. I do not want to speak to those mirrors who are not me, I want to

speak to me and myself, and all who see themselves in me.

>

> In these words, I am you, I am your thoughts, your feelings, your senses, I am

all that makes up you and your body, for I am the great nothing, and here I wait

for you, at the end of your world, I am death. Your death.

>

> Once you realize death's nature, you become one with me, and you become one

with all and everyone, for everyone arose out of that great nothing, and

everyone will die and become who you are.

>

>

> Now let the dead speak.

>

>

> " the one is right who sees himself in the others, and the others in himself,

cause how can one be wrong who knows, that he is the others, and the others

himself. "

>