Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

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It is a common fad these days to deride anything that is of the world and to worship only things that appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to condemn the so called worldly activities.

It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these days; the so called spiritual groups with all their leaders and the gullible followers do engage themselves in murky activities in the garb of spreading their teachings and enlightening the less endowed fellow beings.

Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not only frustration and disarray in their lives but also complete confusion in the minds of their near and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all the means and resources that are necessary for spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to day routine worldly life.

There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best use of resources that are made available to us by the modern developments in science and technology. In fact from a holistic point of view science and technology is not different from nature or mother earth.

It is but a different expression of the same energy – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a safe and smooth journey.

Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes easy.

We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can complement one another very well and help in achieving the one supreme goal of Self – Realization in a very calm and serene manner.

Aum Shaanthi….

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Dear Ramesh

 

I feel this is absolutely right. Thank you.

 

Love, Alan--- On Fri, 22/1/10, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote:

ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : Date: Friday, 22 January, 2010, 5:53

 

 

 

 

 

It is a common fad these days to deride anything that is of the world and to worship only things that appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to condemn the so called worldly activities.

It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these days; the so called spiritual groups with all their leaders and the gullible followers do engage themselves in murky activities in the garb of spreading their teachings and enlightening the less endowed fellow beings. Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not only frustration and disarray in their lives but also complete confusion in the minds of their near and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all the means and resources that are necessary for spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to day routine worldly life.

There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best use of resources that are made available to us by the modern developments in science and technology. In fact from a holistic point of view science and technology is not different from nature or mother earth. It is but a different expression of the same energy – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a safe and smooth journey. Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes easy. We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can complement one another very well and help in achieving the one supreme goal of Self – Realization in a very calm and serene manner. Aum Shaanthi….

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---- Original message ----

>Date:   Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST)

>   ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv

>Subject:   Why should there be

a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

>To:  

>

>

>

> It is a common fad these days to deride anything

> that is of the world and to worship only things that

> appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while

> enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization

> like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these

> pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to

> condemn the so called worldly activities.

>

> It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these

> days; the so called spiritual groups with all their

> leaders and the gullible followers do engage

> themselves in murky activities in the garb of

> spreading their teachings and enlightening the less

> endowed fellow beings.

>

> Why should there be a wall between the worldly and

> spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between

> their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual

> callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not

> only frustration and disarray in their lives but

> also complete confusion in the minds of their near

> and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all

> the means and resources that are necessary for

> spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to

> day routine worldly life.

>

> There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best

> use of resources that are made available to us by

> the modern developments in science and technology.

> In fact from a holistic point of view science and

> technology is not different from nature or mother

> earth.

>

> It is but a different expression of the same energy

> – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable

> for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual

> enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but

> it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a

> safe and smooth journey.

>

> Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one

> realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one

> consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body

> needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes

> easy.

>

> We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier

> by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a

> very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can

> complement one another very well and help in

> achieving the one supreme goal of Self –

> Realization in a very calm and serene manner.

>

> Aum Shaanthi….

>

>

 

thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or

have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those

who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the

slightest either way...

 

in love,

yosy

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Yes dear Yosy , there is a beautiful poem by a little known poet which ends like this

 

Lord of Himself ; though not of lands ;

And Having nothing ; Yet hath all .

 

all love

 

ramesh

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, yosyflug <yosyflug wrote:

yosyflug <yosyflugRe: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:19 PM

---- Original message ---- > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride anything > that is of the world and to worship only things that > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while > enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization > like car,

air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these > pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these > days; the so called spiritual groups with all their > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > spreading their teachings and enlightening the less > endowed fellow beings. > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between > their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual > callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not > only frustration and disarray in their lives but > also complete confusion in the minds of their near > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all > the means and resources that are necessary for

> spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to > day routine worldly life. > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best > use of resources that are made available to us by > the modern developments in science and technology. > In fact from a holistic point of view science and > technology is not different from nature or mother > earth. > > It is but a different expression of the same energy > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a > safe and smooth journey. > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body > needs. Drawing

a line between need and greed becomes > easy. > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier > by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can > complement one another very well and help in > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the slightest either way... in love, yosy

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Dear Yossi

 

 

fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

 

 

what needs to be

 

AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

 

 

is this understandable english?????

 

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

michael

 

 

 

-

yosyflug

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

---- Original message ---- > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride anything > that is of the world and to worship only things that > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while > enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these > pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these > days; the so called spiritual groups with all their > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > spreading their teachings and enlightening the less > endowed fellow beings. > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between > their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual > callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not > only frustration and disarray in their lives but > also complete confusion in the minds of their near > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all > the means and resources that are necessary for > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to > day routine worldly life. > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best > use of resources that are made available to us by > the modern developments in science and technology. > In fact from a holistic point of view science and > technology is not different from nature or mother > earth. > > It is but a different expression of the same energy > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a > safe and smooth journey. > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes > easy. > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier > by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can > complement one another very well and help in > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the slightest either way... in love, yosy

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Dear Friends ,

 

This discussion reminds me of the Sri Ramakrishna story : there are these two friend who want to enjoy an evening . One goes to a "disco" one to a Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at the "disco" , and the one at the "disco" keeps thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam discourse!

 

It does not matter which side of the wall we are , what matters is what we constantly remember ...

 

Love as ever

 

Raja

 

 

 

Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PMRe: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

 Dear Yossi

 

 

fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

 

 

what needs to be

 

AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

 

 

is this understandable english?????

 

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

michael

 

 

 

-

yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il

 

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

---- Original message ---- > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride anything > that is of the world and to worship only things that > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while > enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these > pseudo personalities do not forgo any

opportunity to > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these > days; the so called spiritual groups with all their > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > spreading their teachings and enlightening the less > endowed fellow beings. > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between > their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual > callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not > only frustration and disarray in their lives but > also complete confusion in the minds of their near > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all > the means and resources that are necessary for > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to > day routine

worldly life. > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best > use of resources that are made available to us by > the modern developments in science and technology. > In fact from a holistic point of view science and > technology is not different from nature or mother > earth. > > It is but a different expression of the same energy > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a > safe and smooth journey. > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes > easy. > > We can lead

a simple worldly life (made much easier > by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can > complement one another very well and help in > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the slightest either way... in love, yosy

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Dear Raja

 

 

to the point - like always!

 

 

yours in Ramana

 

 

michael

 

 

 

-

Raja Chidambaram

Friday, January 22, 2010 6:44 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

 

 

Dear Friends ,

 

This discussion reminds me of the Sri Ramakrishna story : there are these two friend who want to enjoy an evening . One goes to a "disco" one to a Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at the "disco" , and the one at the "disco" keeps thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam discourse!

 

It does not matter which side of the wall we are , what matters is what we constantly remember ...

 

Love as ever

 

Raja

 

 

 

Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PMRe: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

 Dear Yossi

 

 

fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

 

 

what needs to be

 

AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

 

 

is this understandable english?????

 

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

michael

 

 

 

-

yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il

 

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

---- Original message ---- > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride anything > that is of the world and to worship only things that > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while > enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these > pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these > days; the so called spiritual groups with all their > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > spreading their teachings and enlightening the less > endowed fellow beings. > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between > their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual > callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not > only frustration and disarray in their lives but > also complete confusion in the minds of their near > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all > the means and resources that are necessary for > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to > day routine worldly life. > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best > use of resources that are made available to us by > the modern developments in science and technology. > In fact from a holistic point of view science and > technology is not different from nature or mother > earth. > > It is but a different expression of the same energy > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a > safe and smooth journey. > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes > easy. > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier > by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can > complement one another very well and help in > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the slightest either way... in love, yosy

 

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Prayer is nothing but a state of constant remembrance.

 

all love

 

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--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Raja Chidambaram <ursrajakrishna wrote:

Raja Chidambaram <ursrajakrishnaRe: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 11:14 PM

 

 

Dear Friends ,

 

This discussion reminds me of the Sri Ramakrishna story : there are these two friend who want to enjoy an evening . One goes to a "disco" one to a Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at the "disco" , and the one at the "disco" keeps thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam discourse!

 

It does not matter which side of the wall we are , what matters is what we constantly remember ...

 

Love as ever

 

Raja

 

 

 

Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PMRe: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

 Dear Yossi

 

 

fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

 

 

what needs to be

 

AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

 

 

is this understandable english?????

 

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

michael

 

 

 

-

yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il

 

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

---- Original message ---- > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride anything > that is of the world and to worship only things that > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while > enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization > like car,

air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these > pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these > days; the so called spiritual groups with all their > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > spreading their teachings and enlightening the less > endowed fellow beings. > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between > their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual > callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not > only frustration and disarray in their lives but > also complete confusion in the minds of their near > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all > the means and resources that are necessary for

> spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to > day routine worldly life. > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best > use of resources that are made available to us by > the modern developments in science and technology. > In fact from a holistic point of view science and > technology is not different from nature or mother > earth. > > It is but a different expression of the same energy > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a > safe and smooth journey. > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body > needs. Drawing

a line between need and greed becomes > easy. > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier > by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can > complement one another very well and help in > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the slightest either way... in love, yosy

 

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true!

 

michael

 

 

 

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:48 AM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

 

 

 

 

 

Prayer is nothing but a state of constant remembrance.

 

all love

 

ramesh

 

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Raja Chidambaram <ursrajakrishna > wrote:

Raja Chidambaram <ursrajakrishna >Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 11:14 PM

 

 

Dear Friends ,

 

This discussion reminds me of the Sri Ramakrishna story : there are these two friend who want to enjoy an evening . One goes to a "disco" one to a Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at the "disco" , and the one at the "disco" keeps thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam discourse!

 

It does not matter which side of the wall we are , what matters is what we constantly remember ...

 

Love as ever

 

Raja

 

 

 

Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. hu>Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PMRe: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

 Dear Yossi

 

 

fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

 

 

what needs to be

 

AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

 

 

is this understandable english?????

 

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

michael

 

 

 

-

yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il

 

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

---- Original message ---- > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride anything > that is of the world and to worship only things that > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even while > enjoying the benefits of the modern civilization > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; these > pseudo personalities do not forgo any opportunity to > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in these > days; the so called spiritual groups with all their > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > spreading their teachings and enlightening the less > endowed fellow beings. > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in between > their worldly ambitions and their inner spiritual > callings tend to create such a wall. It creates not > only frustration and disarray in their lives but > also complete confusion in the minds of their near > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can have all > the means and resources that are necessary for > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal day to > day routine worldly life. > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making the best > use of resources that are made available to us by > the modern developments in science and technology. > In fact from a holistic point of view science and > technology is not different from nature or mother > earth. > > It is but a different expression of the same energy > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle suitable > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > enlightenment is not akin to riding two horses; but > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to ensure a > safe and smooth journey. > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When one > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the one > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the body > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed becomes > easy. > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much easier > by the modern trends in technology) and yet lead a > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects can > complement one another very well and help in > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not those who own or have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. neither those who have not; the truly rich are those who do not care in the slightest either way... in love, yosy

 

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---- Original message ----

>Date:   Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:48:01 -0800 (PST)

>   ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv

>Subject:   Re: Why should

there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

>To:  

>

>

>

> Prayer is nothing but a state of constant

> remembrance.

>

> all love

>

> ramesh

 

 

thank you, ramesh. indeed.

 

the only prayer i know is gratitude.

 

and ihmo, all 'spirituality' in whatever denomination

starts with (and consists of) a grateful attitude...

 

BOOM!

 

_()_

yosy

>

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Raja Chidambaram

> <ursrajakrishna wrote:

>

> Raja Chidambaram <ursrajakrishna

> Re: Why

> should there be a wall between the worldly and

> spiritual Lives :

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 11:14 PM

>

>

> Dear Friends ,

>

> This discussion reminds me of the Sri Ramakrishna

> story : there are these two friend who want to

> enjoy an evening . One goes to a " disco " one to a

> Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam

> discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at

> the " disco " , and the one at the " disco " keeps

> thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam

> discourse!

>

> It does not matter which side of the wall we are

> , what matters is what we constantly remember ...

>

> Love as ever

>

> Raja

>

> ---------------

>

> Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online.

> hu>

>

> Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PM

> Re: Why

> should there be a wall between the worldly and

> spiritual Lives :

>

> 

> Dear Yossi

>

>

> fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

>

>

> what needs to be

>

> AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

>

>

> is this understandable english?????

>

>

> in Sri Ramana Maharshi

>

>

> michael

>

>

>

> -

> yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

> Re: Why

> should there be a wall between the worldly and

> spiritual Lives :

>

>

> ---- Original message ----

> > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST)

> > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@

> >

> > Why

> should there be

> a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It is a common fad these days to deride

> anything

> > that is of the world and to worship only

> things that

> > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even

> while

> > enjoying the benefits of the modern

> civilization

> > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc;

> these

> > pseudo personalities do not forgo any

> opportunity to

> > condemn the so called worldly activities.

> >

> > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in

> these

> > days; the so called spiritual groups with all

> their

> > leaders and the gullible followers do engage

> > themselves in murky activities in the garb of

> > spreading their teachings and enlightening the

> less

> > endowed fellow beings.

> >

> > Why should there be a wall between the worldly

> and

> > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in

> between

> > their worldly ambitions and their inner

> spiritual

> > callings tend to create such a wall. It

> creates not

> > only frustration and disarray in their lives

> but

> > also complete confusion in the minds of their

> near

> > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can

> have all

> > the means and resources that are necessary for

> > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal

> day to

> > day routine worldly life.

> >

> > There need be absolutely no guilt in making

> the best

> > use of resources that are made available to us

> by

> > the modern developments in science and

> technology.

> > In fact from a holistic point of view science

> and

> > technology is not different from nature or

> mother

> > earth.

> >

> > It is but a different expression of the same

> energy

> > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle

> suitable

> > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual

> > enlightenment is not akin to riding two

> horses; but

> > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to

> ensure a

> > safe and smooth journey.

> >

> > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When

> one

> > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the

> one

> > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the

> body

> > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed

> becomes

> > easy.

> >

> > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much

> easier

> > by the modern trends in technology) and yet

> lead a

> > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects

> can

> > complement one another very well and help in

> > achieving the one supreme goal of Self –

> > Realization in a very calm and serene manner.

> >

> > Aum Shaanthi….

> >

> >

>

> thanks, friend... the rich people are not

> those who own or

> have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual.

> neither those

> who have not; the truly rich are those who do

> not care in the

> slightest either way...

>

> in love,

> yosy

>

> ---------------

>

> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized

> IE8. Get it NOW!.

>

>

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Dear Yossi

chabibi

 

 

again

 

BOOOOOM

 

 

again both of us share this lived TRUTH

 

GRATITUDE IS OF ABSOLUTE NECESSITY TO WALK THE WALK BACK HOME IN JOÃ

 

 

michael

 

-

yosyflug

Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:06 PM

Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

---- Original message ---- > Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:48:01 -0800 (PST) > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv > > Re: Why should there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > Prayer is nothing but a state of constant > remembrance. > > all love > > ramesh thank you, ramesh. indeed. the only prayer i know is gratitude. and ihmo, all 'spirituality' in whatever denomination starts with (and consists of) a grateful attitude... BOOM! _()_ yosy > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Raja Chidambaram > <ursrajakrishna > wrote: > > Raja Chidambaram <ursrajakrishna > > Re: Why > should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual Lives : > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 11:14 PM > > > Dear Friends , > > This discussion reminds me of the Sri Ramakrishna > story : there are these two friend who want to > enjoy an evening . One goes to a "disco" one to a > Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam > discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at > the "disco" , and the one at the "disco" keeps > thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam > discourse! > > It does not matter which side of the wall we are > , what matters is what we constantly remember ... > > Love as ever > > Raja > > --------------- > > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online. > hu> > > Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PM > Re: Why > should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual Lives : > >  > Dear Yossi > > > fullheartedly i agree with all you stated > > > what needs to be > > AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick > > > is this understandable english????? > > > in Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > michael > > > > - > yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il > > Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM > Re: Why > should there be a wall between the worldly and > spiritual Lives : > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST) > >ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > > > > Why > should there be > a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives : > > > > > > > > > > It is a common fad these days to deride > anything > > that is of the world and to worship only > things that > > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even > while > > enjoying the benefits of the modern > civilization > > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc; > these > > pseudo personalities do not forgo any > opportunity to > > condemn the so called worldly activities. > > > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in > these > > days; the so called spiritual groups with all > their > > leaders and the gullible followers do engage > > themselves in murky activities in the garb of > > spreading their teachings and enlightening the > less > > endowed fellow beings. > > > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly > and > > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in > between > > their worldly ambitions and their inner > spiritual > > callings tend to create such a wall. It > creates not > > only frustration and disarray in their lives > but > > also complete confusion in the minds of their > near > > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can > have all > > the means and resources that are necessary for > > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal > day to > > day routine worldly life. > > > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making > the best > > use of resources that are made available to us > by > > the modern developments in science and > technology. > > In fact from a holistic point of view science > and > > technology is not different from nature or > mother > > earth. > > > > It is but a different expression of the same > energy > > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle > suitable > > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual > > enlightenment is not akin to riding two > horses; but > > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to > ensure a > > safe and smooth journey. > > > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When > one > > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the > one > > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the > body > > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed > becomes > > easy. > > > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much > easier > > by the modern trends in technology) and yet > lead a > > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects > can > > complement one another very well and help in > > achieving the one supreme goal of Self – > > Realization in a very calm and serene manner. > > > > Aum Shaanthi…. > > > > > > thanks, friend... the rich people are not > those who own or > have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual. > neither those > who have not; the truly rich are those who do > not care in the > slightest either way... > > in love, > yosy > > --------------- > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized > IE8. Get it NOW!. > >

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---- Original message ----

>Date:   Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:56:46 +0100

>   " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel

>Subject:   Re: Why should

there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

>To:  

>

>

>

> 

> Dear Yossi

> chabibi

>

>

> again

>

> BOOOOOM

>

>

> again both of us share this lived TRUTH

>

> GRATITUDE IS OF ABSOLUTE NECESSITY TO WALK THE WALK

> BACK HOME IN JOÃ

>

>

> michael

 

 

michel dear, friends, knowing or not, in the timeless

reality we ARE this living truth itself, always and without a

second.

 

BOOM indeed!

 

in living grattitude,

 

shabbat shalom all!

 

yosy

 

jai jai ramanaji!

 

 

>

> -

> yosyflug

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:06 PM

> Re: Why

> should there be a wall between the worldly and

> spiritual Lives :

>

>

> ---- Original message ----

> > Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:48:01 -0800 (PST)

> > ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv

> > Re: Why

> should

> there be a wall between the worldly and spiritual

> Lives :

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prayer is nothing but a state of constant

> > remembrance.

> >

> > all love

> >

> > ramesh

>

> thank you, ramesh. indeed.

>

> the only prayer i know is gratitude.

>

> and ihmo, all 'spirituality' in whatever

> denomination

> starts with (and consists of) a grateful

> attitude...

>

> BOOM!

>

> _()_

> yosy

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Raja Chidambaram

> > <ursrajakrishna wrote:

> >

> > Raja Chidambaram

> <ursrajakrishna

> > Re: Why

> > should there be a wall between the worldly and

> > spiritual Lives :

> >

> > Friday, January 22, 2010, 11:14 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends ,

> >

> > This discussion reminds me of the Sri

> Ramakrishna

> > story : there are these two friend who want to

> > enjoy an evening . One goes to a " disco " one to

> a

> > Bhagavatam discourse . The one at Bhagavatam

> > discourse keeps thinking what he has missed at

> > the " disco " , and the one at the " disco " keeps

> > thinking what he has missed at the Bhagavatam

> > discourse!

> >

> > It does not matter which side of the wall we are

> > , what matters is what we constantly remember

> ...

> >

> > Love as ever

> >

> > Raja

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> > Michael Bindel <michael.bindel@ t-online.

> > hu>

> >

> > Fri, 22 January, 2010 8:54:46 PM

> > Re: Why

> > should there be a wall between the worldly and

> > spiritual Lives :

> >

> > 

> > Dear Yossi

> >

> >

> > fullheartedly i agree with all you stated

> >

> >

> > what needs to be

> >

> > AUTHENTICITY living by what makes me tick

> >

> >

> > is this understandable english?????

> >

> >

> > in Sri Ramana Maharshi

> >

> >

> > michael

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il

> >

> > Friday, January 22, 2010 1:49 PM

> > Re: Why

> > should there be a wall between the worldly and

> > spiritual Lives :

> >

> >

> > ---- Original message ----

> > >Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:53:47 -0800 (PST)

> > >ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@

> > >

> > > Why

> > should there be

> > a wall between the worldly and spiritual Lives :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is a common fad these days to deride

> > anything

> > > that is of the world and to worship only

> > things that

> > > appear “spiritual " and unworldly. Even

> > while

> > > enjoying the benefits of the modern

> > civilization

> > > like car, air-conditioner, airplanes, etc;

> > these

> > > pseudo personalities do not forgo any

> > opportunity to

> > > condemn the so called worldly activities.

> > >

> > > It is another matter that, unfortunately, in

> > these

> > > days; the so called spiritual groups with all

> > their

> > > leaders and the gullible followers do engage

> > > themselves in murky activities in the garb of

> > > spreading their teachings and enlightening the

> > less

> > > endowed fellow beings.

> > >

> > > Why should there be a wall between the worldly

> > and

> > > spiritual lives at all? Those caught in

> > between

> > > their worldly ambitions and their inner

> > spiritual

> > > callings tend to create such a wall. It

> > creates not

> > > only frustration and disarray in their lives

> > but

> > > also complete confusion in the minds of their

> > near

> > > and dear ones. Organized properly, one can

> > have all

> > > the means and resources that are necessary for

> > > spiritual growth, even while leading a normal

> > day to

> > > day routine worldly life.

> > >

> > > There need be absolutely no guilt in making

> > the best

> > > use of resources that are made available to us

> > by

> > > the modern developments in science and

> > technology.

> > > In fact from a holistic point of view science

> > and

> > > technology is not different from nature or

> > mother

> > > earth.

> > >

> > > It is but a different expression of the same

> > energy

> > > – Shakthi . Hence to adopt a lifestyle

> > suitable

> > > for both worldly fulfillment and spiritual

> > > enlightenment is not akin to riding two

> > horses; but

> > > it is like having a pilot and co-pilot to

> > ensure a

> > > safe and smooth journey.

> > >

> > > Simplicity is good; but poverty is not. When

> > one

> > > realizes that the body is but a vessel for the

> > one

> > > consciousness; one knows exactly how much the

> > body

> > > needs. Drawing a line between need and greed

> > becomes

> > > easy.

> > >

> > > We can lead a simple worldly life (made much

> > easier

> > > by the modern trends in technology) and yet

> > lead a

> > > very rich spiritual Life. These two aspects

> > can

> > > complement one another very well and help in

> > > achieving the one supreme goal of Self –

> > > Realization in a very calm and serene manner.

> > >

> > > Aum Shaanthi….

> > >

> > >

> >

> > thanks, friend... the rich people are not

> > those who own or

> > have possessions, temporal and/.or spiritual.

> > neither those

> > who have not; the truly rich are those who do

> > not care in the

> > slightest either way...

> >

> > in love,

> > yosy

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> > Your Mail works best with the New

> Optimized

> > IE8. Get it NOW!.

> >

> >

>

>