Lesson 21

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

I am not much experienced, I have studied krushna's system in

some classes. So I can say some thing.

When 12th house is having less points then 11th house, this indicates

less expences then income. If in lesson, opposite of this is given

then it is typing mistake.

Prakash

Namaste

 

 

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Dear Donna and Krushna

> I have been studying the charts for the 2 boys which were put on

the list by Krushna as an exercise. Doing this I have used Lesson 21

extensively and would like to make a few comments.

> 1) Colours- Page 106 - I know it must be very difficult for you to

choose the colours but in this lesson the colours on my computer and

printer were nothing like the ones you stated. eg in the Trimsamsa

Table 5 you give in the guide above the table the colours " Orange " "

Blue " , " Red " , " Green " and " Dark Blue " On my printout (and computer) I

had " Magenta " , 'Green " , " Yellow " and " Blue " . There was only one shade

of blue and the green was not easy to distinguish from the blue. The

Grey for Leo and Cancer was Ok. I can't even suggest how you can

alter it except to say are there any more contrasting colours than

the light and dark blues. Other than that I can only suggest that as

well as distinguishing by colours you add some physical way not

dependent on colours to indicate where the various colours are!!.

> 2) Page 109- 7 listed items.

> Item 4 In this item you say that if the 12th house has less than

the 11th then the expenses will be higher than the income. In

Krushna's letter of the 16th May 2001 recieved by me at 6.32am

Krushna states " From the Moon the points are rising order. In both

cases points in the 12th are less, so there will be saving from the

income " This would seem to be the opposite way to what is written in

Item 4

> 3) Item 7 " A person doing any business in which the Sun is

travelling during his business hours, should have more than 28

points " - Who or what should have more than 28 points - The Person or

the Sun or the House in which the Sun is travelling. I don't really

understand this point at all. Does it mean the transiting Sun or does

it mean the natal Sun should be in the house signifying the business

which the person owns or in which he works.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter -

 

 

Colours- Page 106 - I know it must be very difficult for you to choose the colours but in this lesson the colours on my computer and printer were nothing like the ones you stated. eg in the Trimsamsa Table 5 you give in the guide above the table the colours "Orange Blue", "Red", "Green" and "Dark Blue" On my printout (and computer) I had "Magenta", 'Green", "Yellow" and "Blue". There was only one shade of blue and the green was not easy to distinguish from the blue. The Grey for Leo and Cancer was Ok.

 

Have you checked your printer? perhaps there's a wrong setting on it? The colors I've been using work absolutely fine on my computer and print-outs, so the only other option I can suggest to you is to change the wording to match your colors.

I wonder if anyone else is having this same problem or is this just an isolated case?

>In this item you say that if the 12th house has less than the 11th then the expenses will be higher than the income. In Krushna's letter of the 16th May 2001 recieved by me at 6.32am Krushna states "From the Moon the points are rising order. In both cases points in the 12th are less, so there will be saving from the income" This would seem to be the opposite way to what is written in Item 4

 

I'm pretty sure this is a typo, but I'll wait for Krushna to verify this or not just to be on the safe side.

 

>A person doing any business in which the Sun is travelling during his business hours, should have more than 28 points" - Who or what should have more than 28 points - The Person or the Sun or the House in which the Sun is travelling. I don't really understand this point at all. Does it mean the transiting Sun or does it mean the natal Sun should be in the house signifying the business which the person owns or in which he  works.

I assumed it was the points in the house that the Sun was transiting during the working business hours, but again I will defer to Krushna to verify what it was he meant exactly.

He should be back in a day or two.

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter -

 

 

I will have another look at the printer but the computer gives the same colours so I doubt if it will make any difference. Also one of the problems is that I cannot differentiate between the dark blue and the light blue and the wording with the table doesn't tell me which is which.

 

 

The earth Signs are Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn.

The Air signs are Aquarius, Gemini and Libra.

The only Fire Sign is Aries.

The only water sign is Scorpio.

The two ether signs are Sagittarius and Pisces.

And of course, Leo and Cancer are not included.

 

Hope this helps.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

I will have another look at the printer but the computer gives the same colours so I doubt if it will make any difference. Also one of the problems is that I cannot differentiate between the dark blue and the light blue and the wording with the table doesn't tell me which is which.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter -

 

 

Your verbal explanation makes it much clearer and also allows me to label some of the colours. Not all as there is no differences between light and dark blue. However I do at least know now which signs they are.

 

 

I'll try too, to keep those colors in mind for the next time so I don't use the light and dark blues together.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Thanks Donna,

Your verbal explanation makes it much clearer and also allows me to label some of the colours. Not all as there is no differences between light and dark blue. However I do at least know now which signs they are.

Thanks again

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna

 

> 1) Colours- Page 106

Donna, I have the same problem. I'm running MS Word 97, and I think

the colours may be due to the limitation of the software. It appears

orange is not one of the colours Word 97 users would have.

 

Maybe you could try to convert it to Word 97, if you are indeed using

Word 2000.

 

> 2) Page 109- 7 listed items.

> Item 4 In this item you say that if the 12th house has less than

the 11th then the expenses will be higher than the income. In

Krushna's letter of the 16th May 2001 recieved by me at 6.32am

Krushna states " From the Moon the points are rising order. In both

cases points in the 12th are less, so there will be saving from the

income " This would seem to be the opposite way to what is written in

Item 4

 

Donna, to the best of my knowledge, this is a typo. Richard Houck

also mentioned in " Digital Astrology " that, for " success " (in

monetary terms, I believe), the 12th house should have less points

than the 11th. This is so that expenses are less than income.

 

I hope this helps. I love the new insights ashtakavarga has brought,

and it really gives a sense of mathematical beauty to Jyotish. And

Donna, thanks for your hard work. It must be tough helping out on two

groups.

 

Best regards

Lauren

[Guest guest]

Dear lauren,

2) page 109, is due to my mistake, I have typed 12 instead of

11, so this the confusion. I have requested Donna to correct it.

While solving the problem I have mentioned it correctly.

Thanks,

krushna

 

 

, suirattigas@z... wrote:

> Dear Donna

>

> > 1) Colours- Page 106

> Donna, I have the same problem. I'm running MS Word 97, and I think

> the colours may be due to the limitation of the software. It

appears

> orange is not one of the colours Word 97 users would have.

>

> Maybe you could try to convert it to Word 97, if you are indeed

using

> Word 2000.

>

> > 2) Page 109- 7 listed items.

> > Item 4 In this item you say that if the 12th house has less than

> the 11th then the expenses will be higher than the income. In

> Krushna's letter of the 16th May 2001 recieved by me at 6.32am

> Krushna states " From the Moon the points are rising order. In both

> cases points in the 12th are less, so there will be saving from the

> income " This would seem to be the opposite way to what is written

in

> Item 4

>

> Donna, to the best of my knowledge, this is a typo. Richard Houck

> also mentioned in " Digital Astrology " that, for " success " (in

> monetary terms, I believe), the 12th house should have less points

> than the 11th. This is so that expenses are less than income.

>

> I hope this helps. I love the new insights ashtakavarga has

brought,

> and it really gives a sense of mathematical beauty to Jyotish. And

> Donna, thanks for your hard work. It must be tough helping out on

two

> groups.

>

> Best regards

> Lauren

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushna -

 

 

page 109, is due to my mistake, I have typed 12 instead of 11, so this the confusion. I have requested Donna to correct it. While solving the problem I have mentioned it correctly.

 

I will write this lesson up again with the correction as well as a description of the colors in the chart for people who are having a hard time with the colors, and post it back to the FILE section.

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Lauren -

 

> Donna, I have the same problem. I'm running MS Word 97, and I think the colours may be due to the limitation of the software. It appears orange is not one of the colours Word 97 users would have.

 

For now, I'll put an extra description of the color coding for those people who can't match up the correct color to the proper box due to printer differences. That should be sufficient. I will also change the colors so that I won't have a light blue and a dark blue, which seems to give no color difference to certain printers. Perhaps that will help also.

 

Donna, to the best of my knowledge, this is a typo. Richard Houck also mentioned in "Digital Astrology" that, for "success" (in monetary terms, I believe), the 12th house should have less points than the 11th. This is so that expenses are less than income.

 

 

Aaah, yes, my dear friend, Rick. I miss him so much. I remember too reading in his book when it first came out that this was so as well. That's where I first heard of this rule. Krushna also agreed that this was a mere typo so it will be corrected and re-downloaded in the FILE section.

 

> I hope this helps. I love the new insights ashtakavarga has brought, and it really gives a sense of mathematical beauty to Jyotish. And Donna, thanks for your hard work. It must be tough helping out on two groups.

 

It is a little difficult at the moment because I'm currently programming an Excel version of the Mahabote system for Sandy in order to automate it and that's taking up a great deal of my time but it's in the fine tuning stages now. In the meantime, I'm trying to put a little bit in every each group when ever I get a chance.

Thanks for your appreciation, which is always "appreciated!" )

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter -

 

 

I can't wait for your computerised version of MaHaBote as I do use this system quite often.

 

 

It's pretty cool and quite a time saver! You'll like it I'm sure. As soon as I'm thru fine tuning it and making sure the bugs are out of it, I'll send you a copy.

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

I can't wait for your computerised version of MaHaBote as I do use this system quite often.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna and Peter,

 

I'm curious... what's Mahabote?

 

Thanks.

Lauren

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

Could you send me a copy too, please

Thank You,

Sylvia

 

On Sat, 26 May 2001 20:20:29 EDT DQuinn12 writes:

 

Dear Peter -

I can't wait for your computerised version of MaHaBote as I do use this system quite often. It's pretty cool and quite a time saver! You'll like it I'm sure. As soon as I'm thru fine tuning it and making sure the bugs are out of it, I'll send you a copy. Donna

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

There are still a couple of points to clear up re lesson 21.

1) Page 109 Rule 7. " A person doing any business in which the Sun is

travelling during his business hours, should have points more than 28 "

I am not sure exactly what is meant by this rule. " should have more than

28points " - I assume this means the house should have more than 28points. "

any business in which the Sun is travelling " - Does this mean if the Sun is

" TRANSITING " a house which is the significator a particular business, for

example if the Sun is transiting the 3rd house and the business is in

printing or publishing??. If this is the case should it be the natural 3rd

house ie the house containing Gemini, or should it be the actual 3rd house

from the lagna, or can it be either.

2)Looking at the trimsamsa again, if a planet is at say 20*00' in an even

sign should it be ruled by Jupiter or Saturn as it is on the border line

between the two. The same applies of course to any other planet which

happens to be exactly on a border line in a divisional chart.

That seems to be all for the moment.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

Points are for the houses, in sarvastak. For own shop or any

trading business, the houses in day light should be considered, or

the working hours of the day. It means in the business hours Sun

should be in those houses. ( in early morning Sun is in 1st house,

then around 8 o clock it is in 12th house, from 10 on wards it is in

11th house, in afternoon it is in 10th house and so on, In the

evening it will ber in the 7th house, (these time are on meridian))

For service no such points are required to be considered.

For Trimshamsha chart For the planets on boundry should be

taken as in next. In Even sign planet in 20 degree should be

considered in Saturn sign Capricorn. ( While calculating computer

also do not consider the fractional part of vikala ( sec). So it is

on safer side to take next division.

thanks

krushna

 

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> There are still a couple of points to clear up re lesson 21.

> 1) Page 109 Rule 7. " A person doing any business in which the Sun is

> travelling during his business hours, should have points more than

28 "

> I am not sure exactly what is meant by this rule. " should have more

than

> 28points " - I assume this means the house should have more than

28points. "

> any business in which the Sun is travelling " - Does this mean if

the Sun is

> " TRANSITING " a house which is the significator a particular

business, for

> example if the Sun is transiting the 3rd house and the business is

in

> printing or publishing??. If this is the case should it be the

natural 3rd

> house ie the house containing Gemini, or should it be the actual

3rd house

> from the lagna, or can it be either.

> 2)Looking at the trimsamsa again, if a planet is at say 20*00' in

an even

> sign should it be ruled by Jupiter or Saturn as it is on the border

line

> between the two. The same applies of course to any other planet

which

> happens to be exactly on a border line in a divisional chart.

> That seems to be all for the moment.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

We seem to have covered possible occupations particularly well now and I

must say it seems very much easier by ashtakavarga than by any other system.

Before leaving the subject I have one more query ( which will probably lead

to many others). Before the list was formed when you and I first met on the

net you did an analysis of my chart highlighting the main areas of my

already long life. I found it very accurate and very inspiring. One comment

you made in the analysis was that I would have had a promotion in my work at

the age age 29 years. This was spot on and forms my question. How did you

derive this from my chart and using the technique could we look at others

charts and do the same???. I think that this would be an excellent finish to

the subject of occupation.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

Pranam,

For your chart, I will search in my computer, I hope it must be

safe. In Nov/Dec hard disc of my computer was effected by some virus,

I have changed the same, and had of bigger capacity. Some of old data

was lost. I will check the same, and my write up. I will give you

same tommorow.

Regading your question, How did you derived.......? Answer is

Yes, Same procedure can be adopted for any chart, and result can be

given in similar manner. From the work sheet, the points for all

planets and all houses can be find out. So from that any timing event

can be derived.

I will search your chart, and will come back.

Please bear with me.

Thanks

krushna

 

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> We seem to have covered possible occupations particularly well now

and I

> must say it seems very much easier by ashtakavarga than by any

other system.

> Before leaving the subject I have one more query ( which will

probably lead

> to many others). Before the list was formed when you and I first

met on the

> net you did an analysis of my chart highlighting the main areas of

my

> already long life. I found it very accurate and very inspiring. One

comment

> you made in the analysis was that I would have had a promotion in

my work at

> the age age 29 years. This was spot on and forms my question. How

did you

> derive this from my chart and using the technique could we look at

others

> charts and do the same???. I think that this would be an excellent

finish to

> the subject of occupation.

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Resppected Krushna,

I think my brain has gone on holiday and left my body behind. I am still not

sure of the meaning of the rule 7 of Lesson 21 on page 109.

I was trying to understand it today but still confused.

I took my own chart as an example and bought an imaginary business at 22

years of age in 1952. Now if I look at this business and it has the working

hours of 9:00am until 5:00pm in June the Sun will be transiting houses

5,6,7,and 8 during working hours. In August the Sun will transit houses

7,8,9,and 10. In December the Sun will transit houses 11,12,1,and 2. In

other word as we go through the year the Sun will in fact transit every

house during the working hours. While my chart is not a bad chart not every

house has over 28points and I would think most other peoples charts would be

the same. So I am not sure what Rule 7 is getting at. I assume that it is

the natal chart that we are considering for the Sun's movement through the

houses yet we have no control over this as it will transit all the houses

during the passage of a year. Certainly you cannot chop and change the hours

of business as the year passes. So could you explain further please.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

Pranam,

I will try to explain in other words.

Considering any chart, and bisecting it in two parts 12th,

11th,10th,9th, 8th and 7th house these are known as udit stan, and

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th and 6th houses are an udit stan. Udit means

which are risen, and anudit means which are in dark. Udit houses

means house in the sky above earth, and anudit means below the earth,

on the back side, or below the earth. 12 to 7th house in clock wise

direction ( refer North Indian chart) are udit ( rise) houses. and

lagna to 6th in anti clock wise direction ( south indian chart ) are

an udit.

12th house means time after sunrise in morning, Tenth house is

mid day, It is a house on our head. 7th house is the house of

evening time.

So Houses operating in the business working hours should be

selected accordingly.

 

Now considering your chart in day time points are 28, 28, 25,

28, 28 and 19 points Morning to evening. Taking each house operating

for its swodai kal. It is as per vedic astrology the Planets are

power ful in udit stan. Similarly the points in the places in udit

stan should be more then 28 for running own business.

Only the chart of the person should be refered. Not the charts

for different dates.

I hope this will help, I find it difficult to explain

properly. If any doubt please ask again, I will try again to

clearify.

krushna

 

 

 

 

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Resppected Krushna,

> I think my brain has gone on holiday and left my body behind. I am

still not

> sure of the meaning of the rule 7 of Lesson 21 on page 109.

> I was trying to understand it today but still confused.

> I took my own chart as an example and bought an imaginary business

at 22

> years of age in 1952. Now if I look at this business and it has the

working

> hours of 9:00am until 5:00pm in June the Sun will be transiting

houses

> 5,6,7,and 8 during working hours. In August the Sun will transit

houses

> 7,8,9,and 10. In December the Sun will transit houses 11,12,1,and

2. In

> other word as we go through the year the Sun will in fact transit

every

> house during the working hours. While my chart is not a bad chart

not every

> house has over 28points and I would think most other peoples charts

would be

> the same. So I am not sure what Rule 7 is getting at. I assume that

it is

> the natal chart that we are considering for the Sun's movement

through the

> houses yet we have no control over this as it will transit all the

houses

> during the passage of a year. Certainly you cannot chop and change

the hours

> of business as the year passes. So could you explain further please.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

Pranam,

Yes your chart and my writup is safe in my computer.

Now if you see the work sheet, you will find Sun, Moon, and Mars

are having good strength for 10th house. Mercury period ended at your

age of 29 years and ketu ( venus ) then Venus, Sun, Moon are in

series. Sun is having good strength, Obviously you must have got rise

in and after your age of 29 years.

Similarly we can apply the system for any chart.

If you permit, I will post the writeup with your chart in the

list, for others to study the system.

thanks

krushna

 

-- In , " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> We seem to have covered possible occupations particularly well now

and I

> must say it seems very much easier by ashtakavarga than by any

other system.

> Before leaving the subject I have one more query ( which will

probably lead

> to many others). Before the list was formed when you and I first

met on the

> net you did an analysis of my chart highlighting the main areas of

my

> already long life. I found it very accurate and very inspiring. One

comment

> you made in the analysis was that I would have had a promotion in

my work at

> the age age 29 years. This was spot on and forms my question. How

did you

> derive this from my chart and using the technique could we look at

others

> charts and do the same???. I think that this would be an excellent

finish to

> the subject of occupation.

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

I am still having difficulty but I think that I have now got the answer,

please correct me if i am wrong.

The Sun in Rule 7 doesn't refer to the transiting Sun but to the natal Sun.

Thus looking at the natal chart if the houses 1-6 have more than 28 points

then as the Sun normally travels through those houses during the day then

thebusiness could run successfully during those hours. If for example you

wished to run a business from lunch time until mid evening then you would

look at the houses from say 4 to 8 to see if they had more than 28 points.

If you wished to run a business during the night then you would be looking

among the houses from 7 to 12.

I hope that this is the correct answer.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

Yes it is Ok to use my chart to demonstrate the technique of doing a more

detailed analysis. The analysis you did of the chart was quite good it only

missed one point - the date of a very nasty accident which occured to me in

July 1947. This accident has affected my whole life. You wre spot on with

your time of retirement and this is another area which would be interesting

to know the method.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

Pranam,

You are just reverse way. udit houses means houses above the

horizon. houses above the horizon are 12th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 8th, and

7th. and below horizon are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th,and 6th. So 12to

7th in reverse way are day time, and 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6th houses are

night time.

thanks

krushna

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> I am still having difficulty but I think that I have now got the

answer,

> please correct me if i am wrong.

> The Sun in Rule 7 doesn't refer to the transiting Sun but to the

natal Sun.

> Thus looking at the natal chart if the houses 1-6 have more than 28

points

> then as the Sun normally travels through those houses during the

day then

> thebusiness could run successfully during those hours. If for

example you

> wished to run a business from lunch time until mid evening then you

would

> look at the houses from say 4 to 8 to see if they had more than 28

points.

> If you wished to run a business during the night then you would be

looking

> among the houses from 7 to 12.

> I hope that this is the correct answer.

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji

Thanks for your permission. I will add the remaining portion.

krushna

 

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> Yes it is Ok to use my chart to demonstrate the technique of doing

a more

> detailed analysis. The analysis you did of the chart was quite good

it only

> missed one point - the date of a very nasty accident which occured

to me in

> July 1947. This accident has affected my whole life. You wre spot

on with

> your time of retirement and this is another area which would be

interesting

> to know the method.

> Peter

> Namaste