Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 Dear list members, Here is a chart, for a person. Date of Birth : 22 Jan 1922. Birth time 08:45 AM IST ( GMT +5.5) No DST. Birth Place Vasai 18N44, 73E06 India Ayanansha 21 :45:17 Ascendent 04:Aq:04 Sun 09:Cap:35, Moon 02:Sc:41, Mar 23:Li:31, Me 25:Cap:25, Ju 26:Vi:55, Ve 05:Cap:13, Sa 15:Vi:50. Important Events of the life 1. 24th Nov 1946. 2. 2nd Feb 1948 3, 12th Dec 1948 4. 28th Sept 1951 5. 17th April 1981 6. 28th Oct 1981. 7. 30th Nov 1981 Date of birth of his 1st wife is 4th March 1929 Above events are for 1st marriage, Birth of Two Children from 1st wife, Imprisonment( not as a criminal, but due to active member of R.S.S. which was banned by Govt.), date of 2nd marriage, Date of Retirement. Death of 1st Wife. Can you find the sex of the children? He was in Service for Whole life. Can you Justify it? You can adopt any system, including Mahabote. Answer for the same will be on 20th June Krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Dear Krushna: Important Events of the life 1. 24th Nov 1946. is this 1st marriage? 2. 2nd Feb 1948 is this first child birth? 3, 12th Dec 1948 is this imprisonment? 4. 28th Sept 1951 is this second child from 1st wife? 5. 17th April 1981 is this death of 1st wife? 6. 28th Oct 1981. retirement? or remarriage? 7. 30th Nov 1981 ditto? Do you happen to have place and time of birth of first wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dear Cristine, Have you guessed or find it from worksheet, or any other method applied. You have not given the sex of the child? This exercise is given to learn the system, so answer should be based on some reasoning. krushna , XINEFOURNI@a... wrote: > Dear Krushna: > > > Important Events of the life > > 1. 24th Nov 1946. is this 1st marriage? > > 2. 2nd Feb 1948 is this first child birth? > > 3, 12th Dec 1948 is this imprisonment? > > 4. 28th Sept 1951 is this second child from 1st wife? > > 5. 17th April 1981 is this death of 1st wife? > > 6. 28th Oct 1981. retirement? or remarriage? > > 7. 30th Nov 1981 ditto? > > Do you happen to have place and time of birth of first wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dear Krushna: No guess or study on my part at this point, just wanted to know the sequence of events, as technically both children could have been born in 1948. I did not realize that a matching of events to dates was part of the exercise. On the 2 children, my preliminary answer, using Jaimini in saptamsha with Lahiri ayanamsa, would be a girl for first child (with a slight hesitation because Mercury exchanges signs with Jupiter), and a boy for second child, assuming no loss of conception before or in between the 2 births. But I would also like to verify this with the use of your system and ayanamsa, and have not had time to do it yet. In the rasi, both the 5th lord and the 5th house, the 5th from the 5th, the 5th from Jupiter and Jupiter are afflicted. What happened? Christine Dear Cristine, Have you guessed or find it from worksheet, or any other method applied. You have not given the sex of the child? This exercise is given to learn the system, so answer should be based on some reasoning. krushna , XINEFOURNI@a... wrote: > Dear Krushna: > > > Important Events of the life > > 1. 24th Nov 1946. is this 1st marriage? > > 2. 2nd Feb 1948 is this first child birth? > > 3, 12th Dec 1948 is this imprisonment? > > 4. 28th Sept 1951 is this second child from 1st wife? > > 5. 17th April 1981 is this death of 1st wife? > > 6. 28th Oct 1981. retirement? or remarriage? > > 7. 30th Nov 1981 ditto? > > Do you happen to have place and time of birth of first wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dear Krushna and list members In a message dated 6/15/2001 3:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, krushanain writes: In some ancient books it is mentioned that result of such house, whose lords are situated in 12th house, gets enhanced. My own experience is of same type. I would think this would be especially true nowadays, that the 12th house is linked to matters that are no longer viewed as bad, such as long distance travel, emigration, foreign homes, foreign education and distinctions, foreign spouse... If we consider that his wife expired is due to 7th lord Sun is in 12th house, may not be correct, but this event happened in his last age, and he got immidiate replacement. tHIS IS VERY FUNNY! If 12th lord is in 8th and 8th lord is in 12th it is a good Raj yog. Person gets all happiness. I was taught a bit differently, THAT ONLY 6TH IN 8TH OR 12TH GIVES HAPPINESS, HEALTH AND FAME; WHILE 8TH IN 6TH OR 12TH GIVES LEARNING AND PROSPERITY; AND 12TH IN 6TH OR 8TH MAKES THE PERSON VIRTUOUS AND CONTENTED. i HAVE BOTH 8TH IN 12TH AND 12TH IN 6TH IN MY CHART, AND I THINK THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE VIPAREETA RAJA YOGAS I AM MENTIONING ARE MORE TO THE POINT, AT LEAST IN MY CASE. ALSO, WHILE THESE YOGAS MAY BE GOOD FOR SUCCESS, THE SUCCESS IS ACCOMPANIED BY A LOT OF EFFORTS, IT DOES NOT FALL IN ONE'S LAP! So 5th house, or 5th from 5th or from Jupiter should not be consaidered as Spoiled. krushna, i am respectfully inclined to disagree that the Vipreet yoga has the power to prevent all negative factors related to the 5th/9th houses significations from ever materializing. I don't think that the natural malefics' aspects on the lords of the 5th and the 9th houses [by Mars and Sun], on the 5th house [by Saturn], on Jupiter [by Rahu and Saturn], on the 9th lord [by Sun and Mars], and on the lord of the 5th house from Jupiter [by Rahu] can be ignored just because the 8th lord sits in the 12th house and the 12th lord in the 8th. Besides, some would say that the Vipareeta yoga in this chart is somewhat spoilt because yogkarak Venus sits with the 8th lord in the 12th.So I still think somehow somewhere there is a problem. Forgive a mere beginner for holding strong views, better than no views at all, I suppose! Regards Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dear Cristine, The Date of birth of the wife is given, only to find out the sex of the children. There is one lesson for this. krushna , XINEFOURNI@a... wrote: > Dear Krushna: > No guess or study on my part at this point, just wanted to know the sequence > of events, as technically both children could have been born in 1948. I did > not realize that a matching of events to dates was part of the exercise. > > On the 2 children, my preliminary answer, using Jaimini in saptamsha with > Lahiri ayanamsa, would be a girl for first child (with a slight hesitation > because Mercury exchanges signs with Jupiter), and a boy for second child, > assuming no loss of conception before or in between the 2 births. But I would > also like to verify this with the use of your system and ayanamsa, and have > not had time to do it yet. > In the rasi, both the 5th lord and the 5th house, the 5th from the 5th, the > 5th from Jupiter and Jupiter are afflicted. What happened? > Christine > > > > > > Dear Cristine, > > Have you guessed or find it from worksheet, or any other method > > applied. > > You have not given the sex of the child? > > This exercise is given to learn the system, so answer should be > > based on some reasoning. > > krushna > > > > > > , XINEFOURNI@a... wrote: > > > Dear Krushna: > > > > > > > Important Events of the life > > > > 1. 24th Nov 1946. is this 1st marriage? > > > > 2. 2nd Feb 1948 is this first child birth? > > > > 3, 12th Dec 1948 is this imprisonment? > > > > 4. 28th Sept 1951 is this second child from 1st wife? > > > > 5. 17th April 1981 is this death of 1st wife? > > > > 6. 28th Oct 1981. retirement? or remarriage? > > > > 7. 30th Nov 1981 ditto? > > > > > > Do you happen to have place and time of birth of first wife? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dear Cristine, and List members, Generally, it is said that lord of any house if situated in 12th house of the chart, the result of that house is said to be spoiled. This is based on the general thinking that trik stan are the worst places of the chart. In some ancient books it is mentioned that result of such house, whose lords are situated in 12th house, gets enhanced. My own experience is of same type. In this chart, lord of 5th, 7th and 9th, 8th and 4th house are situated in 12th house. If we consider that his wife expired is due to 7th lord Sun is in 12th house, may not be correct, but this event happened in his last age, and he got immidiate replacement. If 12th lord is in 8th and 8th lord is in 12th it is a good Raj yog. Person gets all happiness. So 5th house, or 5th from 5th or from Jupiter should not be consaidered as Spoiled. krushna -- In , XINEFOURNI@a... wrote: > Dear Krushna: > No guess or study on my part at this point, just wanted to know the sequence > of events, as technically both children could have been born in 1948. I did > not realize that a matching of events to dates was part of the exercise. > > On the 2 children, my preliminary answer, using Jaimini in saptamsha with > Lahiri ayanamsa, would be a girl for first child (with a slight hesitation > because Mercury exchanges signs with Jupiter), and a boy for second child, > assuming no loss of conception before or in between the 2 births. But I would > also like to verify this with the use of your system and ayanamsa, and have > not had time to do it yet. > In the rasi, both the 5th lord and the 5th house, the 5th from the 5th, the > 5th from Jupiter and Jupiter are afflicted. What happened? > Christine > > > > > > Dear Cristine, > > Have you guessed or find it from worksheet, or any other method > > applied. > > You have not given the sex of the child? > > This exercise is given to learn the system, so answer should be > > based on some reasoning. > > krushna > > > > > > , XINEFOURNI@a... wrote: > > > Dear Krushna: > > > > > > > Important Events of the life > > > > 1. 24th Nov 1946. is this 1st marriage? > > > > 2. 2nd Feb 1948 is this first child birth? > > > > 3, 12th Dec 1948 is this imprisonment? > > > > 4. 28th Sept 1951 is this second child from 1st wife? > > > > 5. 17th April 1981 is this death of 1st wife? > > > > 6. 28th Oct 1981. retirement? or remarriage? > > > > 7. 30th Nov 1981 ditto? > > > > > > Do you happen to have place and time of birth of first wife? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Dear Cristine, I am very much agree with your attitude, with being disagree with some results. If one agrees with the thing, He remains where he is. If you disagree, you are going in deep. I have noted a special thing in the people from western culture, they may not be agree with any thing, will not show their opposition, but will ask more and more questions, and will go to the bottom of the point. Their such scientific approch, is very much appreciated by me. I have faced so much such things, from our Indian persons. At a first glance they opposes any statement, against the general write up given in the books. But in due course of time slowly slowly agrees with it. I say Jupiter, which is coinsidered as a most beneficial planet, can give most worst results. In the starting no body was ready to agree with this. They passed comment, " in My life time I will not agree with this " . After some time when they came accross some charts, where they were unable to find out any other answer, then they asked " Krushna is it due this Jupiter " . Then agreed, O.K. I will say here Jupiter is weak, so unable to give some result. Late Shri Krishnamurthy, Founder of K.P. system, also mentioned some where in his book, that Jupiter in Kalyug, lost its Devine power. Similar is with Venus in Krittika, Initially No body was pointing this in their books. ( I am talking about big personalities) But now in their recent books, they are mentioning this point, with out failing. In their old book, They have given some other analysis, now for the similar chart, they are blaming to Venus in Krittika. Astrology is a very vast subject, No body can have mastery on the subject. In my opinion There are still 90% of this science may not known to us. So many new things will be coming before us, which will discard our old thinking. This , may not happen in our life time. We must consider some old statements with new view. In so many old books, it is said, Jupiter in 4th place with more points, The person should have Elephants in his Door. If we take it directly the meaning, It will make us laugh. On the other way Keeping a elephant is very expencive, keeping it for show, So we should take it the person may be very reach. Must be able to have Costly and luxorious cars at his door step. In so many books the upchay stan are considered as bad, where as the meaning of Upchay means enhancing. The sixth house is considered as a bad house, Where as considering Upchay sixth is the main house 'B'. 3rd house is also treated as bad, here we consider it as house 'D'. and we are getting the results accordingly. Yes considering chart, Sixth lord is considered as culprit, which spoils the resulrs. We also take 12th house from 'B' as negative house for 'B'. All these things I have written here, are of General nature. Treating Rahu and Ketu bad every time, may not be correct. If Rahu or Ketu are in house D or E, the result so many times experienced in the sub of Rahu or Ketu. In the currect chart, Rahu is tenant in Mercury's house, and having its aspect on Mercury, lord of 5th house. So it will not spoil the things. The sight of 12th lord is beneficial on 5th house ( it is having 3 points). As per the basic theory of this system it will give more power to fifth house. Now the sight of Jupiter on Venus being fifth from fifth ( ninth lord). Jupiter is having more points, but for fifth house and also for 9th house it is lord of 'D' or 'E'. So its sight can not be considered as malefic. Similarly Mars is also lord of 'E' for 5th house, so sight of Mars on 5th lord is good. ( he have god his second child in the sub of Mars) For tenth house again Mars is lord of house 'E', Yes it is situated in 12th from B. It is with only 2 points, so its sight on Sun, Ve. and Me. is treated as good. Moon which is in nich rashi in tenth house, is considered to give good result, ( for sixth lord ship Moon is not considered as malefic) krushna : > Dear Krushna and list members > > In a message dated 6/15/2001 3:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > krushanain@h... writes: > > > > > > > > In some ancient books it is mentioned that result of such house, > > whose lords are situated in 12th house, gets enhanced. My own > > > > > > I would think this would be especially true nowadays, that the 12th house is > linked to matters that are no longer viewed as bad, such as long distance > travel, emigration, foreign homes, foreign education and distinctions, > foreign spouse... > > > > > > If we consider that his wife expired is due to 7th lord Sun is > > in 12th house, may not be correct, but this event happened in his > > > > > > tHIS IS VERY FUNNY! > > > > If 12th lord is in 8th and 8th lord is in 12th it is a good Raj > > > > > > I was taught a bit differently, THAT ONLY 6TH IN 8TH OR 12TH GIVES HAPPINESS, > HEALTH AND FAME; WHILE 8TH IN 6TH OR 12TH GIVES LEARNING AND PROSPERITY; AND > 12TH IN 6TH OR 8TH MAKES THE PERSON VIRTUOUS AND CONTENTED. i HAVE BOTH 8TH > IN 12TH AND 12TH IN 6TH IN MY CHART, AND I THINK THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE > VIPAREETA RAJA YOGAS I AM MENTIONING ARE MORE TO THE POINT, AT LEAST IN MY > CASE. ALSO, WHILE THESE YOGAS MAY BE GOOD FOR SUCCESS, THE SUCCESS IS > ACCOMPANIED BY A LOT OF EFFORTS, IT DOES NOT FALL IN ONE'S LAP! > > > > So 5th house, or 5th from 5th or from Jupiter should not be > > consaidered as Spoiled. > > > > > krushna, i am respectfully inclined to disagree that the Vipreet yoga has the > power to prevent all negative factors related to the 5th/9th houses > significations from ever materializing. I don't think that the natural > malefics' aspects on the lords of the 5th and the 9th houses [by Mars and > Sun], on the 5th house [by Saturn], on Jupiter [by Rahu and Saturn], on the > 9th lord [by Sun and Mars], and on the lord of the 5th house from Jupiter [by > Rahu] can be ignored just because the 8th lord sits in the 12th house and the > 12th lord in the 8th. Besides, some would say that the Vipareeta yoga in this > chart is somewhat spoilt because yogkarak Venus sits with the 8th lord in the > 12th.So I still think somehow somewhere there is a problem. > > Forgive a mere beginner for holding strong views, better than no views at > all, I suppose! > > Regards > Christine > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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