Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 Respected Krushna, As a rule I try to check all events in charts I encounter with this ashtakavarga system. But I came upon a chart where I really don't find why childbirth could occur at a centain period. His data : Male born on 1 of august 1941 in Berlin (Germany) at 22h20 (at that thime there was wartime 1 hour) so birth in fact was at 20h20 G.M.T.) 13E22 52N30 ayanamsa 22:1:37 asc 3°59 pisces - Sun & Mer Cancer - Moon scorpio - Venus Leo - Mars and Ketu Pisces - Saturn and Jupiter Taurus. He married on 22 november 1966 birth of 1st daughter 25 april 1967 birth of 2nd daughter 21 december 1970 Now he married in Mercury/Rahu, this works fine. Birth of 1st daugher in same period I can understand but the birth of the 2nd child is difficult to understand because it happend in Mercury/Saturn. Even if saturn is lord of A, he aspects houses A ,B and C for which he has respectively 9,2, and 2 points. If you are not too busy and don't find it too boring could you explain this please Many thanks Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 Dear Margarita, Yesterday I answered this, but it not reached. Please check the conception, I think it must be in the sub period of lord D or E, krushna , " Lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > As a rule I try to check all events in charts I encounter with this ashtakavarga system. But I came upon a chart where I really don't find why childbirth could occur at a centain period. > His data : Male born on 1 of august 1941 in Berlin (Germany) > at 22h20 (at that thime there was wartime 1 hour) so birth in fact was at 20h20 G.M.T.) > 13E22 > 52N30 > ayanamsa 22:1:37 > asc 3°59 pisces - Sun & Mer Cancer - Moon scorpio - Venus Leo - Mars and Ketu Pisces - Saturn and Jupiter Taurus. > He married on 22 november 1966 > birth of 1st daughter 25 april 1967 > birth of 2nd daughter 21 december 1970 > Now he married in Mercury/Rahu, this works fine. Birth of 1st daugher in same period I can understand but the birth of the 2nd child is difficult to understand because it happend in Mercury/Saturn. Even if saturn is lord of A, he aspects houses A ,B and C for which he has respectively 9,2, and 2 points. > If you are not too busy and don't find it too boring could you explain this please > Many thanks > Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Dear Margarita, I had tried to answer your question about child birth in less points, but my mails were not reaching. next day, I had given a answer in one line. After that I was busy. considering the 2nd child born on 21st Dec 1970, the conception is on 23rd March 1970. In case of child birth we must consider the conception and also the birth. It should not be forget that the constellation on the date of conception and that on the date of birth is always same in most of the cases, ( there may be some exception where it is in trine. For the current case the Ayanansha is 22:01:42 and on the date of conception it was sub of Jupiter, which is lord of house E. Lords of house D and E are very eager to give the results. In this case it is apperently seen that Jupiter is having less points, and that is due to the sight of Moon. Though we consider the malefic sight of Moon, but in practice, Moon never spoils any planet. On the contrary Moon it self gets spoiled due to other planets if had a malefic aspect. Here Moon is a lord of 5th house, (B), and situated in it's neech rashi. any Planet in it's neech rashi have a benefic 7th sight. so by this law it's aspect on Jupiter should be beneficial. but we use point theory, so the points are reduced. The lord of D and E if with less points, always are eager to give the result. It is a matter of dispute, for child birth, which date we should choose, date of conception or the date of birth. So to avoid the dispute I have written both the events in my write up about child birth. Here Saturn is samdharmi to Jupiter, but it is having it's sight on the all the houses, 12th 5th and 9th. The last thing is birth time of the father. If is 20h13 min whole thing changes, and every thing is in line. In the above chart as Saturn is aspecting all the houses of child birth, then it should give delayed birth of child, Yes of course delay is moderated due to Jupiter, Here in this case birth of the children is not delayed. It is in time or say early. This point remains un answered. If possible please check some other events of the life. This person might have got toothache, and some worries in march 90 to Nov 92. If the answer is no, we may take this chart as exception to the laws krushna , " Lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > As a rule I try to check all events in charts I encounter with this ashtakavarga system. But I came upon a chart where I really don't find why childbirth could occur at a centain period. > His data : Male born on 1 of august 1941 in Berlin (Germany) > at 22h20 (at that thime there was wartime 1 hour) so birth in fact was at 20h20 G.M.T.) > 13E22 > 52N30 > ayanamsa 22:1:37 > asc 3°59 pisces - Sun & Mer Cancer - Moon scorpio - Venus Leo - Mars and Ketu Pisces - Saturn and Jupiter Taurus. > He married on 22 november 1966 > birth of 1st daughter 25 april 1967 > birth of 2nd daughter 21 december 1970 > Now he married in Mercury/Rahu, this works fine. Birth of 1st daugher in same period I can understand but the birth of the 2nd child is difficult to understand because it happend in Mercury/Saturn. Even if saturn is lord of A, he aspects houses A ,B and C for which he has respectively 9,2, and 2 points. > If you are not too busy and don't find it too boring could you explain this please > Many thanks > Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Respected Krushna, Thank you for the comments. I will try to check other dates in his life to see how things match. One thing we must always keep in mind here is that birthtime tend to be approximative because people never think it's important. In the west, people think they are 100% masters of their fate, so accurate birthtimes are rare(I think) even when officially recorded. Thanks and best regards Margarita - krushanain Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:03 PM Re: low points and childbirth Dear Margarita, I had tried to answer your question about child birth in less points, but my mails were not reaching. next day, I had given a answer in one line. After that I was busy. considering the 2nd child born on 21st Dec 1970, the conception is on 23rd March 1970. In case of child birth we must consider the conception and also the birth. It should not be forget that the constellation on the date of conception and that on the date of birth is always same in most of the cases, ( there may be some exception where it is in trine. For the current case the Ayanansha is 22:01:42 and on the date of conception it was sub of Jupiter, which is lord of house E. Lords of house D and E are very eager to give the results. In this case it is apperently seen that Jupiter is having less points, and that is due to the sight of Moon. Though we consider the malefic sight of Moon, but in practice, Moon never spoils any planet. On the contrary Moon it self gets spoiled due to other planets if had a malefic aspect. Here Moon is a lord of 5th house, (B), and situated in it's neech rashi. any Planet in it's neech rashi have a benefic 7th sight. so by this law it's aspect on Jupiter should be beneficial. but we use point theory, so the points are reduced. The lord of D and E if with less points, always are eager to give the result. It is a matter of dispute, for child birth, which date we should choose, date of conception or the date of birth. So to avoid the dispute I have written both the events in my write up about child birth. Here Saturn is samdharmi to Jupiter, but it is having it's sight on the all the houses, 12th 5th and 9th. The last thing is birth time of the father. If is 20h13 min whole thing changes, and every thing is in line. In the above chart as Saturn is aspecting all the houses of child birth, then it should give delayed birth of child, Yes of course delay is moderated due to Jupiter, Here in this case birth of the children is not delayed. It is in time or say early. This point remains un answered. If possible please check some other events of the life. This person might have got toothache, and some worries in march 90 to Nov92. If the answer is no, we may take this chart as exception to the lawskrushna , "Lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Respected Krushna,> As a rule I try to check all events in charts I encounter with this ashtakavarga system. But I came upon a chart where I really don't find why childbirth could occur at a centain period.> His data : Male born on 1 of august 1941 in Berlin (Germany)> at 22h20 (at that thime there was wartime 1 hour) so birth in fact was at 20h20 G.M.T.)> 13E22> 52N30> ayanamsa 22:1:37> asc 3°59 pisces - Sun & Mer Cancer - Moon scorpio - Venus Leo - Mars and Ketu Pisces - Saturn and Jupiter Taurus.> He married on 22 november 1966> birth of 1st daughter 25 april 1967> birth of 2nd daughter 21 december 1970> Now he married in Mercury/Rahu, this works fine. Birth of 1st daugher in same period I can understand but the birth of the 2nd child is difficult to understand because it happend in Mercury/Saturn. Even if saturn is lord of A, he aspects houses A ,B and C for which he has respectively 9,2, and 2 points.> If you are not too busy and don't find it too boring could you explain this please> Many thanks> Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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