Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 Dear Margarita, Thank you very much for your insights about my chart. May I ask a question to the western members of the list who use the Krushna system? According to your experience, what is the nature of the subperiod you get through the marriage worksheet? Is it: * The subperiod in which the partners meet themselves for the first time? * The subperiod in which the partners have the first sexual intercourse? * The subperiod in which the partners begin to live in the same flat? * The subperiod in which the partners marry (civil or religious ceremony)? In the western way of life, some of the events may be some months or years apart. My brother met his wife when he was a student. As he was studying in a very far place, his wife and himself lived in the same flat three years later, when his studies were completed. So, it seems to me important to understand what we are looking for! Thanks for your opinion. Denis " Marguerite " <dmlettens Re: Digest Number 329 Hello Denis, Normally Rahu works accoding to his placement. In your chart it is Mars(scorpio) and Saturn (Anuradha). Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus. As there are strong cultural differences between India and the West, I don't know if a relationship like yours (living in different flats) can be considered along the same lines as a traditional indian marriage !!. Perhaps you could check some rules Krushna gave about " friendship " between 2 charts. These worked fine for my chart . According to " the rules " for marriage I should have a miserable marriage, but our charts fit well for " friendship " , so everything still workes fines even after many years. So don't take the rules for marriage to strictly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 Hello Denis, I think nowbody in the west has much experience with this system but using some common sense we can easily adapt the rules. I'm only studying this system since a year but I tend to check most charts when I have correct dates for certain events. Different aspects are to be considered in a relationship. There is of course the 5th house for friendship and "falling in love". Ususally this happens in times of subs of planets having good points for the 5th. Sexual intercourse is especially seen through the 12th house, the traditional house of "bedcomforts". I often see planets strong for the 12th and the 7th and/or 5th at the moment of marriage (even in the west). But I have not tested enough charts for that. I suppose the 7th house retains his value as house of marriage(religious or civil ceremony), even in our countries. Marriage is a "partnership", an agreement to go through life together. This cannot be said of people who just live with someone and then switch to somebody else. There is no formal arrangement made, no intention or effort involved. Living together could again be seen through another house, for example the 3th could indicate a definite move from the former home. I think here each case has to be studied according to the special arrangements taken, all depending on what is involved. Now for relationship in the West rules for friendship are important and I know these work fine. In the charts of people who get along well these rules apply definitely. I have also seen that a marriage in a period where a planet has less points for the 7th house survives when the rules for friendship are respected. As to the Krushna ayanamsha, I use it because it's part of the system, so I stick to it and don't question it. A last note about your chart : Venus is the strongest planet in the worksheet : she acts for Rahu who is Saturn and Mars (Venus and Saturn are natural samdharmi but also functional samdharmi in your chart) - DENIS LABOURE Monday, August 27, 2001 2:09 PM Mariage Dear Margarita,Thank you very much for your insights about my chart. May I ask a questionto the western members of the list who use the Krushna system?According to your experience, what is the nature of the subperiod you getthrough the marriage worksheet? Is it:* The subperiod in which the partners meet themselves for the first time?* The subperiod in which the partners have the first sexual intercourse?* The subperiod in which the partners begin to live in the same flat?* The subperiod in which the partners marry (civil or religious ceremony)?In the western way of life, some of the events may be some months or yearsapart. My brother met his wife when he was a student. As he was studying ina very far place, his wife and himself lived in the same flat three yearslater, when his studies were completed.So, it seems to me important to understand what we are looking for! Thanksfor your opinion.Denis "Marguerite" <dmlettensRe: Digest Number 329Hello Denis,Normally Rahu works accoding to his placement. In your chart it isMars(scorpio) and Saturn (Anuradha).Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus. As there are strong culturaldifferences between India and the West, I don't know if a relationship likeyours (living in different flats) can be considered along the same lines asa traditional indian marriage !!. Perhaps you could check some rules Krushnagave about "friendship" between 2 charts. These worked fine for my chart .According to "the rules" for marriage I should have a miserable marriage,but our charts fit well for "friendship", so everything still workes fineseven after many years. So don't take the rules for marriage to strictly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 Dear Dennis, Margarita, and all list members, I was unable to get connected to internet from 24th due to some fault in Modem. To day I have purchased a new modem. I will read the mails the mean period, and will come back to the group. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > > Thank you very much for your insights about my chart. May I ask a question > to the western members of the list who use the Krushna system? > > According to your experience, what is the nature of the subperiod you get > through the marriage worksheet? Is it: > > * The subperiod in which the partners meet themselves for the first time? > * The subperiod in which the partners have the first sexual intercourse? > * The subperiod in which the partners begin to live in the same flat? > * The subperiod in which the partners marry (civil or religious ceremony)? > > In the western way of life, some of the events may be some months or years > apart. My brother met his wife when he was a student. As he was studying in > a very far place, his wife and himself lived in the same flat three years > later, when his studies were completed. > > So, it seems to me important to understand what we are looking for! Thanks > for your opinion. > > Denis > > > > " Marguerite " <dmlettens@s...> > Re: Digest Number 329 > > Hello Denis, > Normally Rahu works accoding to his placement. In your chart it is > Mars(scorpio) and Saturn (Anuradha). > Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus. As there are strong cultural > differences between India and the West, I don't know if a relationship like > yours (living in different flats) can be considered along the same lines as > a traditional indian marriage !!. Perhaps you could check some rules Krushna > gave about " friendship " between 2 charts. These worked fine for my chart . > According to " the rules " for marriage I should have a miserable marriage, > but our charts fit well for " friendship " , so everything still workes fines > even after many years. So don't take the rules for marriage to strictly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 Dear Denis, Your other questions have been answered in a very nice way by Margarita and Prakash. I must thank them. I would like to make some modifiation in the calculations for 7th house, given by Prakash. It is next step. Lord of D is Saturn and lord of E is Mars. Both are with 4 points. If such lords are situated in 10th place from any planets then we add the points of those planets as per Row 3. So the Total points for Saturn becames 17, and for Venus becames 18. ( this thing is already covered in lessons and I think in Work sheet also it is given in notes by Mr Sanjay) Now as per Indian culture, and so the vedic astrology is based on Indian culture Marriage is having different types. Generally marriage is considered as a partnership ( 7th house) along with other relations. As soon as two persons get married, they became partener in the property of the spouse. In case if any of them is expired other becames the whole owner of the proerty of the spouse,until and unless it is specified. No body is allowed to have any extra sexual relations with any other person. Both the person should treat with each other with due respect. There is also one type of marriage, which may not be registered, The persons select their partner, but it is not recognised by the socity, So no body can claim on the property of the other. This may be treated as unauthorised relations, until and unless it gets some registration with the socity. This may be called as Gandharva Vivah. We are concerned with these two type of marriages here. In the first case 7th house is main. and in second case 7th house along with 5th and 12th house works. So for the period, when two persons meet each other can be from 5th house. When there is sexual relations with each other, with mutual acceptance then 12th house. When Two persons have deep attraction with each other then it can be 7th house again. Refering your case, the Saturn is lord of House D and having it's sight on 7th house, so it self or it's samdharmi can come forward to give the result. Rahu as per your chart represents Saturn, So it can give the result. But it also represents Mars, ( 6th lord ) and situated in 4th house with 5 points, it can not convert the relation in partnership. The Venus which is more then 43 degree apart from Sun, and having sight of Saturn, reduces the marrital relations, here we should take partnership. There is a vast difference in marriage and sexual partner. Your relationship can be called as need of each other only. When there is deep attachment with each other, person require other person to be with him, for more and more time. So when both partners starts living in same house (flat) then it should be seen from 7th house. Marriage may be treated as legal status to the relations, If in your country, if the other person gets partnership in the wealth of the spouse then 7th house. Living to gether but no legal aspects, then 5th and 12th house should be refered. For legal marriage all 2,7, 11 and 4th and 12th house works at a time. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > > Thank you very much for your insights about my chart. May I ask a question > to the western members of the list who use the Krushna system? > > According to your experience, what is the nature of the subperiod you get > through the marriage worksheet? Is it: > > * The subperiod in which the partners meet themselves for the first time? > * The subperiod in which the partners have the first sexual intercourse? > * The subperiod in which the partners begin to live in the same flat? > * The subperiod in which the partners marry (civil or religious ceremony)? > > In the western way of life, some of the events may be some months or years > apart. My brother met his wife when he was a student. As he was studying in > a very far place, his wife and himself lived in the same flat three years > later, when his studies were completed. > > So, it seems to me important to understand what we are looking for! Thanks > for your opinion. > > Denis > > > > " Marguerite " <dmlettens@s...> > Re: Digest Number 329 > > Hello Denis, > Normally Rahu works accoding to his placement. In your chart it is > Mars(scorpio) and Saturn (Anuradha). > Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus. As there are strong cultural > differences between India and the West, I don't know if a relationship like > yours (living in different flats) can be considered along the same lines as > a traditional indian marriage !!. Perhaps you could check some rules Krushna > gave about " friendship " between 2 charts. These worked fine for my chart . > According to " the rules " for marriage I should have a miserable marriage, > but our charts fit well for " friendship " , so everything still workes fines > even after many years. So don't take the rules for marriage to strictly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2001 Report Share Posted August 28, 2001 Hello Denis. I am a Western Astrologist learning Vedic Astrology. You asked for comment by Western Astrologists. I can see " relationship " in a chart by using progressions and transits/. Using Western Ast. I have focussed on relationships for a long time and I believe that I have a good understanding of the natives feelings and intentions in relationship. I can see love relationship as opposed to sexual relationship and different again from formal marriage contract. I hope that I will be able to learn Vedic. I am starting to think that each of the systems has something to offer that the other does not have. I am continueing to study. Best wishes. Lily - <krushanain Tuesday, August 28, 2001 4:51 AM Re: Mariage > Dear Denis, > Your other questions have been answered in a very nice way by > Margarita and Prakash. I must thank them. > I would like to make some modifiation in the calculations for > 7th house, given by Prakash. It is next step. Lord of D is Saturn and > lord of E is Mars. Both are with 4 points. If such lords are situated > in 10th place from any planets then we add the points of those > planets as per Row 3. So the Total points for Saturn becames 17, and > for Venus becames 18. ( this thing is already covered in lessons and > I think in Work sheet also it is given in notes by Mr Sanjay) > Now as per Indian culture, and so the vedic astrology is based > on Indian culture Marriage is having different types. > Generally marriage is considered as a partnership ( 7th house) > along with other relations. As soon as two persons get married, they > became partener in the property of the spouse. In case if any of them > is expired other becames the whole owner of the proerty of the > spouse,until and unless it is specified. No body is allowed to have > any extra sexual relations with any other person. Both the person > should treat with each other with due respect. > There is also one type of marriage, which may not be registered, > The persons select their partner, but it is not recognised by the > socity, So no body can claim on the property of the other. This may > be treated as unauthorised relations, until and unless it gets some > registration with the socity. This may be called as Gandharva Vivah. > We are concerned with these two type of marriages here. In the > first case 7th house is main. and in second case 7th house along with > 5th and 12th house works. > > So for the period, when two persons meet each other can be from > 5th house. When there is sexual relations with each other, with > mutual acceptance then 12th house. > When Two persons have deep attraction with each other then it > can be 7th house again. > Refering your case, the Saturn is lord of House D and having > it's sight on 7th house, so it self or it's samdharmi can come > forward to give the result. Rahu as per your chart represents Saturn, > So it can give the result. But it also represents Mars, ( 6th lord ) > and situated in 4th house with 5 points, it can not convert the > relation in partnership. > The Venus which is more then 43 degree apart from Sun, and > having sight of Saturn, reduces the marrital relations, here we > should take partnership. > There is a vast difference in marriage and sexual partner. Your > relationship can be called as need of each other only. When there is > deep attachment with each other, person require other person to be > with him, for more and more time. So when both partners starts living > in same house (flat) then it should be seen from 7th house. > > Marriage may be treated as legal status to the relations, If in > your country, if the other person gets partnership in the wealth of > the spouse then 7th house. > Living to gether but no legal aspects, then 5th and 12th house > should be refered. > For legal marriage all 2,7, 11 and 4th and 12th house works at > a time. > krushna > > > > , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> > wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > > > Thank you very much for your insights about my chart. May I ask a > question > > to the western members of the list who use the Krushna system? > > > > According to your experience, what is the nature of the subperiod > you get > > through the marriage worksheet? Is it: > > > > * The subperiod in which the partners meet themselves for the first > time? > > * The subperiod in which the partners have the first sexual > intercourse? > > * The subperiod in which the partners begin to live in the same > flat? > > * The subperiod in which the partners marry (civil or religious > ceremony)? > > > > In the western way of life, some of the events may be some months > or years > > apart. My brother met his wife when he was a student. As he was > studying in > > a very far place, his wife and himself lived in the same flat three > years > > later, when his studies were completed. > > > > So, it seems to me important to understand what we are looking for! > Thanks > > for your opinion. > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > " Marguerite " <dmlettens@s...> > > Re: Digest Number 329 > > > > Hello Denis, > > Normally Rahu works accoding to his placement. In your chart it is > > Mars(scorpio) and Saturn (Anuradha). > > Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus. As there are strong cultural > > differences between India and the West, I don't know if a > relationship like > > yours (living in different flats) can be considered along the same > lines as > > a traditional indian marriage !!. Perhaps you could check some > rules Krushna > > gave about " friendship " between 2 charts. These worked fine for my > chart . > > According to " the rules " for marriage I should have a miserable > marriage, > > but our charts fit well for " friendship " , so everything still > workes fines > > even after many years. So don't take the rules for marriage to > strictly. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2001 Report Share Posted August 28, 2001 My computer cant spell. My thoughts rush ahead, its a worry. Lily - chaddenvi <chadden Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:40 PM Re: Re: Mariage > Hello Denis. I am a Western Astrologist learning Vedic Astrology. > You asked for comment by Western Astrologists. I can see " relationship " > in a chart by using progressions and transits/. Using Western Ast. I have > focussed on relationships for a long time and I believe that I have a good > understanding of the natives feelings and intentions in relationship. I > can see love relationship as opposed to sexual relationship and different > again from formal marriage contract. > I hope that I will be able to learn Vedic. I am starting to think that > each of the systems has something to offer that the other does not have. I > am continueing to study. Best wishes. Lily > - > <krushanain > > Tuesday, August 28, 2001 4:51 AM > Re: Mariage > > > > Dear Denis, > > Your other questions have been answered in a very nice way by > > Margarita and Prakash. I must thank them. > > I would like to make some modifiation in the calculations for > > 7th house, given by Prakash. It is next step. Lord of D is Saturn and > > lord of E is Mars. Both are with 4 points. If such lords are situated > > in 10th place from any planets then we add the points of those > > planets as per Row 3. So the Total points for Saturn becames 17, and > > for Venus becames 18. ( this thing is already covered in lessons and > > I think in Work sheet also it is given in notes by Mr Sanjay) > > Now as per Indian culture, and so the vedic astrology is based > > on Indian culture Marriage is having different types. > > Generally marriage is considered as a partnership ( 7th house) > > along with other relations. As soon as two persons get married, they > > became partener in the property of the spouse. In case if any of them > > is expired other becames the whole owner of the proerty of the > > spouse,until and unless it is specified. No body is allowed to have > > any extra sexual relations with any other person. Both the person > > should treat with each other with due respect. > > There is also one type of marriage, which may not be registered, > > The persons select their partner, but it is not recognised by the > > socity, So no body can claim on the property of the other. This may > > be treated as unauthorised relations, until and unless it gets some > > registration with the socity. This may be called as Gandharva Vivah. > > We are concerned with these two type of marriages here. In the > > first case 7th house is main. and in second case 7th house along with > > 5th and 12th house works. > > > > So for the period, when two persons meet each other can be from > > 5th house. When there is sexual relations with each other, with > > mutual acceptance then 12th house. > > When Two persons have deep attraction with each other then it > > can be 7th house again. > > Refering your case, the Saturn is lord of House D and having > > it's sight on 7th house, so it self or it's samdharmi can come > > forward to give the result. Rahu as per your chart represents Saturn, > > So it can give the result. But it also represents Mars, ( 6th lord ) > > and situated in 4th house with 5 points, it can not convert the > > relation in partnership. > > The Venus which is more then 43 degree apart from Sun, and > > having sight of Saturn, reduces the marrital relations, here we > > should take partnership. > > There is a vast difference in marriage and sexual partner. Your > > relationship can be called as need of each other only. When there is > > deep attachment with each other, person require other person to be > > with him, for more and more time. So when both partners starts living > > in same house (flat) then it should be seen from 7th house. > > > > Marriage may be treated as legal status to the relations, If in > > your country, if the other person gets partnership in the wealth of > > the spouse then 7th house. > > Living to gether but no legal aspects, then 5th and 12th house > > should be refered. > > For legal marriage all 2,7, 11 and 4th and 12th house works at > > a time. > > krushna > > > > > > > > , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Margarita, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your insights about my chart. May I ask a > > question > > > to the western members of the list who use the Krushna system? > > > > > > According to your experience, what is the nature of the subperiod > > you get > > > through the marriage worksheet? Is it: > > > > > > * The subperiod in which the partners meet themselves for the first > > time? > > > * The subperiod in which the partners have the first sexual > > intercourse? > > > * The subperiod in which the partners begin to live in the same > > flat? > > > * The subperiod in which the partners marry (civil or religious > > ceremony)? > > > > > > In the western way of life, some of the events may be some months > > or years > > > apart. My brother met his wife when he was a student. As he was > > studying in > > > a very far place, his wife and himself lived in the same flat three > > years > > > later, when his studies were completed. > > > > > > So, it seems to me important to understand what we are looking for! > > Thanks > > > for your opinion. > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > " Marguerite " <dmlettens@s...> > > > Re: Digest Number 329 > > > > > > Hello Denis, > > > Normally Rahu works accoding to his placement. In your chart it is > > > Mars(scorpio) and Saturn (Anuradha). > > > Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus. As there are strong cultural > > > differences between India and the West, I don't know if a > > relationship like > > > yours (living in different flats) can be considered along the same > > lines as > > > a traditional indian marriage !!. Perhaps you could check some > > rules Krushna > > > gave about " friendship " between 2 charts. These worked fine for my > > chart . > > > According to " the rules " for marriage I should have a miserable > > marriage, > > > but our charts fit well for " friendship " , so everything still > > workes fines > > > even after many years. So don't take the rules for marriage to > > strictly. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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