Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 Dear Krushna, Denis has earlier given his birth date (24/10/1956) and using this and the data given for the mother gives that his birth was in his mother's Venus subperiod. The interesting thing, when the worksheet for the 5th house was examined, was that Venus is the 12th from B. If I remembered correctly, the 12th from B is not supposed to give results. However, it has more points (3rd highest), and the 2 highest are aspecting B and C. Order is: Ma-20, Ju-17, Ve-17, Su-16, Sa-15, Mo-14, Me-11. However, conception would have occured in Ketu subperiod. Ketu is in Leo and the constellation of Venus, so is samdharmi to the Sun, lord of D, which is eager to give results. Denis has mentioned that a later time would change the Ascendant. That would be around 2100 hrs, more than 10 mins later. This new time would, however, give Venus as lord of E, and having more points, it would give the result accordingly. Order is: Ve-24, Ju-20, Me-10, Sa-7, Ma-6, Su-4, Mo-3. The question is, can this support rectification of the time to about 21:00? And can we determine birth of child using the 5th, or should it be conception? Thank you very much Lauren > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for checking my calculations. I have understood the mistakes. The > next calculations will be perfect! > > This chart is my father's chart. He was married on 1st october 1955. In the > Saturn period and Saturn subperiod. Saturn is the last of the planets in the > row 18. So, there is something which does not work. > > In case it may be useful to solve this mystery, these are my mother's data: > 13 DECEMBER 1932 > 20h45 TU > Montbrison (4E03 45N36). > Ascendant (Krushna ayanamsa): 28°45 Cancer. > > I didn't try to work with my mother's chart, as the rising sign could be > different if she was born 5 minutes later. > > Thank you very much > Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Dear Lauren, This system can be used as a best tool for rectifying the birth time. Considering the 5th house, Generaly it indicates the time of Conception. krushna -- In , suirattigas@z... wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Denis has earlier given his birth date (24/10/1956) and using this > and the data given for the mother gives that his birth was in his > mother's Venus subperiod. > > The interesting thing, when the worksheet for the 5th house was > examined, was that Venus is the 12th from B. If I remembered > correctly, the 12th from B is not supposed to give results. However, > it has more points (3rd highest), and the 2 highest are aspecting B > and C. > > Order is: Ma-20, Ju-17, Ve-17, Su-16, Sa-15, Mo-14, Me-11. > > However, conception would have occured in Ketu subperiod. Ketu is in > Leo and the constellation of Venus, so is samdharmi to the Sun, lord > of D, which is eager to give results. > > Denis has mentioned that a later time would change the Ascendant. > That would be around 2100 hrs, more than 10 mins later. This new time > would, however, give Venus as lord of E, and having more points, it > would give the result accordingly. > > Order is: Ve-24, Ju-20, Me-10, Sa-7, Ma-6, Su-4, Mo-3. > > The question is, can this support rectification of the time to about > 21:00? And can we determine birth of child using the 5th, or should > it be conception? > > Thank you very much > Lauren > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Dear Krushna, Thank you for your reply. With respect to the situation of Denis, the analysis would be that Ketu is samdharmi to the Sun, so conception occurred in that period. This would be as per the data given. Please correct me if I'm wrong. However, if the 5th house is used to indicate conception, then what would indicate childbirth? Especially since childbirth need not follow conception, e.g. miscarriage or abortion. How can one see these in the chart, that is, whether the pregnancy is carried to its full term? Furthermore, in this case, the birth date is given, and the conception date is left to be inferred. But there is likely to be a certain margin of error in estimating either given only one. In this case, conception is very likely to have occurred in the later part of the Ketu subperiod, since the birth was in the early part of the Venus subperiod. However, what would happen if the inferred conception date were at the borderline of these two subperiods? Can we be sure that it was in either the Ketu or the Venus subperiod, for example? Thank you for your attention. Lauren , krushanain@h... wrote: > Dear Lauren, > This system can be used as a best tool for rectifying the > birth time. Considering the 5th house, Generaly it indicates the time > of Conception. > krushna > -- In , suirattigas@z... wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > > > Denis has earlier given his birth date (24/10/1956) and using this > > and the data given for the mother gives that his birth was in his > > mother's Venus subperiod. > > > > The interesting thing, when the worksheet for the 5th house was > > examined, was that Venus is the 12th from B. If I remembered > > correctly, the 12th from B is not supposed to give results. > However, > > it has more points (3rd highest), and the 2 highest are aspecting B > > and C. > > > > Order is: Ma-20, Ju-17, Ve-17, Su-16, Sa-15, Mo-14, Me-11. > > > > However, conception would have occured in Ketu subperiod. Ketu is > in > > Leo and the constellation of Venus, so is samdharmi to the Sun, > lord > > of D, which is eager to give results. > > > > Denis has mentioned that a later time would change the Ascendant. > > That would be around 2100 hrs, more than 10 mins later. This new > time > > would, however, give Venus as lord of E, and having more points, it > > would give the result accordingly. > > > > Order is: Ve-24, Ju-20, Me-10, Sa-7, Ma-6, Su-4, Mo-3. > > > > The question is, can this support rectification of the time to > about > > 21:00? And can we determine birth of child using the 5th, or should > > it be conception? > > > > Thank you very much > > Lauren > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Dear Lauren, The period for conception is more important. The sub period for conception is important. The constellation of Moon at the time of conception, and for date of birth is same. In case if the 5th house is having sight of Mars and Rahu, or on the date of conception if moon is having sight of Mars and Rahu, may result in miscarry, abortion etc. The constellation of Moon for conception and birth is same, so the main period lord is same at the time of birth and on the date of conception for child. The most important thing is capacity of " Stribeej " to accept conception. So it should not be effected by Rahu and Mars, for successful child birth. If the 5th house is effected by Mars, there may be scissor. If Rahu also involved then more precausion should be taken. For such cases the time of conception is more important. Please read Lesson 20 for more informations. krushna , suirattigas@z... wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for your reply. With respect to the situation of Denis, the > analysis would be that Ketu is samdharmi to the Sun, so conception > occurred in that period. This would be as per the data given. Please > correct me if I'm wrong. > > However, if the 5th house is used to indicate conception, then what > would indicate childbirth? Especially since childbirth need not > follow conception, e.g. miscarriage or abortion. How can one see > these in the chart, that is, whether the pregnancy is carried to its > full term? > > Furthermore, in this case, the birth date is given, and the > conception date is left to be inferred. But there is likely to be a > certain margin of error in estimating either given only one. In this > case, conception is very likely to have occurred in the later part of > the Ketu subperiod, since the birth was in the early part of the > Venus subperiod. However, what would happen if the inferred > conception date were at the borderline of these two subperiods? Can > we be sure that it was in either the Ketu or the Venus subperiod, for > example? > > Thank you for your attention. > Lauren > > , krushanain@h... wrote: > > Dear Lauren, > > This system can be used as a best tool for rectifying the > > birth time. Considering the 5th house, Generaly it indicates the > time > > of Conception. > > krushna > > -- In , suirattigas@z... wrote: > > > Dear Krushna, > > > > > > Denis has earlier given his birth date (24/10/1956) and using > this > > > and the data given for the mother gives that his birth was in his > > > mother's Venus subperiod. > > > > > > The interesting thing, when the worksheet for the 5th house was > > > examined, was that Venus is the 12th from B. If I remembered > > > correctly, the 12th from B is not supposed to give results. > > However, > > > it has more points (3rd highest), and the 2 highest are aspecting > B > > > and C. > > > > > > Order is: Ma-20, Ju-17, Ve-17, Su-16, Sa-15, Mo-14, Me-11. > > > > > > However, conception would have occured in Ketu subperiod. Ketu is > > in > > > Leo and the constellation of Venus, so is samdharmi to the Sun, > > lord > > > of D, which is eager to give results. > > > > > > Denis has mentioned that a later time would change the Ascendant. > > > That would be around 2100 hrs, more than 10 mins later. This new > > time > > > would, however, give Venus as lord of E, and having more points, > it > > > would give the result accordingly. > > > > > > Order is: Ve-24, Ju-20, Me-10, Sa-7, Ma-6, Su-4, Mo-3. > > > > > > The question is, can this support rectification of the time to > > about > > > 21:00? And can we determine birth of child using the 5th, or > should > > > it be conception? > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > Lauren > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Respected Krushna, Thank you for the reply. You mentioned in lesson 20 that " the birth of the child takes place after approximately 272.25 days, varying up to 27.25 days depending on the health of the child. " Are we able to " check " the health from the chart? There is also an increase in the number of premature babies born who have survived. These babies would have been born outside of the " minimum " of 245 days after conception. If we were to interpret the chart of the mother of one of these children, would the system then give a period which is in error by a month or more? Or even in another subperiod altogether? Or is there something I've missed in the lessons? Thank you. Lauren , krushanain@h... wrote: > Dear Lauren, > The period for conception is more important. The sub period for > conception is important. The constellation of Moon at the time of > conception, and for date of birth is same. In case if the 5th house > is having sight of Mars and Rahu, or on the date of conception if > moon is having sight of Mars and Rahu, may result in miscarry, > abortion etc. > The constellation of Moon for conception and birth is same, so > the main period lord is same at the time of birth and on the date of > conception for child. > The most important thing is capacity of " Stribeej " to accept > conception. So it should not be effected by Rahu and Mars, for > successful child birth. > If the 5th house is effected by Mars, there may be scissor. If > Rahu also involved then more precausion should be taken. For such > cases the time of conception is more important. > Please read Lesson 20 for more informations. > krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Dear Lauren, READ MY COMMENTS IN BLOCK LETTERS. > Thank you for the reply. You mentioned in lesson 20 that " the birth > of the child takes place after approximately 272.25 days, varying up > to 27.25 days depending on the health of the child. " Are we able > to " check " the health from the chart?iF IT IS PRINTED HEALTH OF THE CHILD, THEN READ IT AS HEALTH OF THE MOTHER. > > There is also an increase in the number of premature babies born who have survived. HERE WE CONSIDER THE CONCEPTION ONLY. PREMATURE BABY MAY BE DUE TO 1) CONCEPTION IN WRONG PERIOD. 2) MOTHER NOT FOLLOWING THE PRECAUSIONS IN THE PERIOD AFTER CARRING. 3) NOW A DAYS WITH MODERN MEDICAL FACILITIES ALL THE DEFINITIONS ARE CHANGED. 4) PLANETS ARE HAVING EFFECT ONLY FOR 50%, AND REMAINING EFFECT IS OUR DEEDS. WE CAN MAKE OR BREAK THE THINGS. TAKE A EXAMPLE OF NO OF CHILDREN, WE CAN EASILY PUT CHECK ON THEM. HERE PLANETS ARE NOT WORKING. THE AGE OF THE HUMAN BEING CAN BE UPTO 120 YEARS, HOW MANY PERSON LIVE THAT MUCH. A PERSON CAN BE SURVIVED FROM A SEVERE HEART ATTACK, BY MODERN SCIENCE. AS PER PLANETARY POSITION WE MAY INDICATE HIS DEATH. AGAIN HE GETS BONUS LIFE. PRE MATURE CHILD MAY BE DUE TO PLANETARY EFFECT, BUT IN MODERN AGE IT IS MOSTLY DUE TO TENSION AND STRESS IN THE LIFE. These babies would have been born outside of the " minimum " of 245 days after conception. If we were to interpret the chart of the mother of one of these children, would the system then give a period which is in error by a month or more? Or even in another subperiod altogether? Or is there something I've missed in the lessons? THE CASE OF PREMATURE CHILD MAY HAVE SO MANY OTHER REASONS ALSO. SOME TIME THE MOTHER MAY NOT SUSPECT OF CONCEPTION, IF IT IS FIRST TIME. SOME TIME IT IS DELEBERATLY HIDDEN BY THE MOTHER, MAY BE DUE TO, SO CALLED FATHER WAS NOT WITH HER, (?). SOME TIME NATURE MAY BE RESPONSIBLE. POWER IS OFF NOW SO i AM SENDING THIS INCOMPLETE, AGAIN WILL CONTINUE. KRUSHNA > > Thank you. > Lauren > > , krushanain@h... wrote: > > Dear Lauren, > > The period for conception is more important. The sub period for > > conception is important. The constellation of Moon at the time of > > conception, and for date of birth is same. In case if the 5th house > > is having sight of Mars and Rahu, or on the date of conception if > > moon is having sight of Mars and Rahu, may result in miscarry, > > abortion etc. > > The constellation of Moon for conception and birth is same, so > > the main period lord is same at the time of birth and on the date > of > > conception for child. > > The most important thing is capacity of " Stribeej " to accept > > conception. So it should not be effected by Rahu and Mars, for > > successful child birth. > > If the 5th house is effected by Mars, there may be scissor. If > > Rahu also involved then more precausion should be taken. For such > > cases the time of conception is more important. > > Please read Lesson 20 for more informations. > > krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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