Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Dear Krushna, Thank you for the clarifications on the vargas. I wanted to be sure of exactly what we are doing here at ashtakavarga because in other systems of study, such as System’s Approach and Iyer’s use of Divisionals (and a few others) the tajika vargas are employed in conjunction with rashi for both SA and Iyer systems – along with consideration of mahadasha and bhukti lords for making determinations, and not just considerations for use with (yearly) varshaphal charts. Thanks Krushna – one less thing to be confused over…J It is also interesting that you additionally also identify the D-11th – (Ekadasamsha/Rudramsha) with income in your (varshaphal) usage, along with your significators for the other tajiks vargas. Thanks very much for your views. It is so very important to keep the rules straight with each system if we expect to attain accurate results. ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ -----Original Message----- krushanain [krushanain] Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:11 PM To: Subject: Re: Krushna INDEX Dear Sandy, For divisional charts, I think I might have covered in Preface. I have not given the details, as those are already given in all the books. I have also covered about the relations of two planets in preface, Now again same thing I am giving with some details, in lesson on samdharmi. The basic concept was covered in preface. It was not related to samdharmi, it was in general nature. I have covered some thing about Nadi, in preface, which is nothing but the 16 D charts. Which are used for finding the results and for rectifying the birth time. These do not includes Tajak (Tajik) charts. Tajak charts are generally used for Varshphal ( yearly chart). These are 1/5, 1/11, 1/8 and 1/6th division charts. The dashansha chart should be refered for gain, livelyhood, etc. The tajik charts are for varshphal, and in a year, about income 1/11, death 1/8th , enmity or War 1/6th and longevity 1/5 charts are refered. These can not be applied with the main chart. I generally refer Navamansha, Dreshkona, and Trishansha ( it is not 1/30 div) chart. Which tells every thing about a person, his nature, brilliency, his interest, Moral etc. krushna --- In , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > The only subject that Donna and I could NOT find covered was that of " Other > Divisional Charts " … > > Are you referring to all of the16 amsha's plus the 4 Tajika vargas, or just > a few of the vargas covered so far? > > Most especially of interest to me, (and if you are referring to the Tajika > vargas also) is I would really like your view on the divisional 11th - > Ekadasamsha or Rukramsha. There is some confusion arising out of this and > differing views. Where some scholars consider it to be the amsha for judging > longevity, death, destruction, and wars (B.V.Raman), others see it as > identifying the income and gains (V.K.Choudhry and Iyer). So I am interested > in knowing how you identity the significations of the Ekadasamsha? > > If you or any list member knows where these topics are covered in the > Lessons given so far, we would all be happy to know…Thanks! > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Dear Sandy, All divisional cahrts are generally used, to find out details about the event. Each house denotes some events of the life, those are further more clarified by one D chart. For finding the timing event, there is no use of those charts. Timing event can be find out by the strength of the significators and it's sub period. Suppose we are here to find the date of marriage, at that time we do not consider the future relations in marrital life. for instance if widowhood is denoted by any chart, so for this one should got married. If we look for the future events, I dont think it is justified. There for in my opinion the study of the D charts are restricted, only for findinding the detailed study. For example, if question is about child birth, if our Worksheet shows some problem, and unable to make any decision, or fives negative answer, then we can refer the D7 chart, and can come to some conclusion. Navamansha chart is having equal status as main chart. So relations of two planets we check in navamansha chart also. Other charts are used very occasionally. krushna --- Sandy Crowther <sandy wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for the clarifications on the vargas. I > wanted to be sure of > exactly what we are doing here at ashtakavarga > because in other systems of > study, such as System’s Approach and Iyer’s use of > Divisionals (and a few > others) the tajika vargas are employed in > conjunction with rashi for both SA > and Iyer systems – along with consideration of > mahadasha and bhukti lords > for making determinations, and not just > considerations for use with (yearly) > varshaphal charts. > > Thanks Krushna – one less thing to be confused > over…:-) > > It is also interesting that you additionally also > identify the D-11th – > (Ekadasamsha/Rudramsha) with income in your > (varshaphal) usage, along with > your significators for the other tajiks vargas. > Thanks very much for your > views. It is so very important to keep the rules > straight with each system > if we expect to attain accurate results. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > krushanain > [krushanain] > Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:11 PM > > Re: Krushna > INDEX > > Dear Sandy, > For divisional charts, I think I might have > covered in Preface. I > have not given the details, as those are already > given in all the > books. > I have also covered about the relations of two > planets in > preface, Now again same thing I am giving with some > details, in > lesson on samdharmi. The basic concept was covered > in preface. It was > not related to samdharmi, it was in general nature. > I have covered some thing about Nadi, in > preface, which is > nothing but the 16 D charts. Which are used for > finding the results > and for rectifying the birth time. These do not > includes Tajak > (Tajik) charts. Tajak charts are generally used for > Varshphal ( > yearly chart). These are 1/5, 1/11, 1/8 and 1/6th > division charts. > The dashansha chart should be refered for > gain, livelyhood, > etc. > The tajik charts are for varshphal, and in a > year, about income > 1/11, death 1/8th , enmity or War 1/6th and > longevity 1/5 charts are > refered. These can not be applied with the main > chart. > I generally refer Navamansha, Dreshkona, and > Trishansha ( it is > not 1/30 div) chart. Which tells every thing about a > person, his > nature, brilliency, his interest, Moral etc. > krushna > > , " Sandy > Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > The only subject that Donna and I could NOT find > covered was that > of " Other > > Divisional Charts " … > > > > Are you referring to all of the16 amsha's plus the > 4 Tajika vargas, > or just > > a few of the vargas covered so far? > > > > Most especially of interest to me, (and if you are > referring to the > Tajika > > vargas also) is I would really like your view on > the divisional > 11th - > > Ekadasamsha or Rukramsha. There is some confusion > arising out of > this and > > differing views. Where some scholars consider it > to be the amsha > for judging > > longevity, death, destruction, and wars > (B.V.Raman), others see it > as > > identifying the income and gains (V.K.Choudhry and > Iyer). So I am > interested > > in knowing how you identity the significations of > the Ekadasamsha? > > > > If you or any list member knows where these topics > are covered in > the > > Lessons given so far, we would all be happy to > know…Thanks! > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < > http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Dear Narahari - This discussion of Divisional varga;s is indeed intresting. But never- the-ness the study of Varga's are indeed imporatant. Else worng predictions are the result. for example, Ex-CM of Tamilnadu Dr. J. Jayalaitha has gemini lagna with 7th lord Guru in saggitarius generating Hamsa mahapurusha yoga and the 5th lord veuns is exalted in the 10th! neither did she have a conventional marriage nor any children of her own. Thus from Rasi, D-9 alone, a complete picture cannot be predicted Welcome to the group, Narahari. I notice that you're a fairly new member on this list and I'm sure your qualifications are more than adequate. . . BUT. . . . we are ALL on a different playground now and it sort of requires everyone who attempts Krushna's system to just try to put aside preconceptions from their own system and approach it from a totaly fresh viewpoint. It's very hard to do for some of us because alot of Krushna's ideas may seem to go against the norm of traditional Vedic astrology perhaps. But the fact remains. His system is VERY accurate and for that reason alone, perhaps you should read the lessons first and learn the system first before coming to any definite conclusions. ) Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Dear Narahari - Thanks for the reply. But does that mean traditional Vedic astrology ideas will not be welcome here? The thing that really needs to be focused on in this list is Krushna's system and how he uses it to accomplish his accuracy. That's what we're all here for in the first place. It's complicated enough just trying to understand Krushna with the language barrier problem, but when you come onto the list and prefer to discuss traditional approaches instead, then perhaps you're in the wrong sandbox. There really needs to be a focus here. Being that Krushna is the teacher and we're the students, perhaps the best thing for us to do is to read our lessons first and then try to come up with a viable approach based on what he's taught us. And if you prefer to discuss outside Vedic methodologies instead, then it's sort of like walking into Biology class with your English notebook and expecting to be on the same page as the others. It just makes it more confusing for everybody than it has to be, that's all. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hello List Memebers, This discussion of Divisional varga;s is indeed intresting. But never- the-ness the study of Varga's are indeed imporatant. Else worng predictions are the result. for example, Ex-CM of Tamilnadu Dr. J. Jayalaitha has gemini lagna with 7th lord Guru in saggitarius generating Hamsa mahapurusha yoga and the 5th lord veuns is exalted in the 10th! neither did she have a conventional marriage nor any children of her own. Thus from Rasi, D-9 alone, a complete picture cannot be predicted. Regards Narahari , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Sandy, > All divisional cahrts are generally used, to > find out details about the event. Each house denotes > some events of the life, those are further more > clarified by one D chart. For finding the timing > event, there is no use of those charts. Timing event > can be find out by the strength of the significators > and it's sub period. Suppose we are here to find the > date of marriage, at that time we do not consider the > future relations in marrital life. for instance if > widowhood is denoted by any chart, so for this one > should got married. If we look for the future events, > I dont think it is justified. > There for in my opinion the study of the D > charts are restricted, only for findinding the > detailed study. For example, if question is about > child birth, if our Worksheet shows some problem, and > unable to make any decision, or fives negative answer, > then we can refer the D7 chart, and can come to some > conclusion. > Navamansha chart is having equal status as > main chart. So relations of two planets we check in > navamansha chart also. Other charts are used very > occasionally. > krushna > > --- Sandy Crowther <sandy@t...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > > > Thank you for the clarifications on the vargas. I > > wanted to be sure of > > exactly what we are doing here at ashtakavarga > > because in other systems of > > study, such as System's Approach and Iyer's use of > > Divisionals (and a few > > others) the tajika vargas are employed in > > conjunction with rashi for both SA > > and Iyer systems – along with consideration of > > mahadasha and bhukti lords > > for making determinations, and not just > > considerations for use with (yearly) > > varshaphal charts. > > > > Thanks Krushna – one less thing to be confused > > over…:-) > > > > It is also interesting that you additionally also > > identify the D-11th – > > (Ekadasamsha/Rudramsha) with income in your > > (varshaphal) usage, along with > > your significators for the other tajiks vargas. > > Thanks very much for your > > views. It is so very important to keep the rules > > straight with each system > > if we expect to attain accurate results. > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > krushanain@h... > > [krushanain@h...] > > Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:11 PM > > > > Re: Krushna > > INDEX > > > > Dear Sandy, > > For divisional charts, I think I might have > > covered in Preface. I > > have not given the details, as those are already > > given in all the > > books. > > I have also covered about the relations of two > > planets in > > preface, Now again same thing I am giving with some > > details, in > > lesson on samdharmi. The basic concept was covered > > in preface. It was > > not related to samdharmi, it was in general nature. > > I have covered some thing about Nadi, in > > preface, which is > > nothing but the 16 D charts. Which are used for > > finding the results > > and for rectifying the birth time. These do not > > includes Tajak > > (Tajik) charts. Tajak charts are generally used for > > Varshphal ( > > yearly chart). These are 1/5, 1/11, 1/8 and 1/6th > > division charts. > > The dashansha chart should be refered for > > gain, livelyhood, > > etc. > > The tajik charts are for varshphal, and in a > > year, about income > > 1/11, death 1/8th , enmity or War 1/6th and > > longevity 1/5 charts are > > refered. These can not be applied with the main > > chart. > > I generally refer Navamansha, Dreshkona, and > > Trishansha ( it is > > not 1/30 div) chart. Which tells every thing about a > > person, his > > nature, brilliency, his interest, Moral etc. > > krushna > > > > , " Sandy > > Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > > > The only subject that Donna and I could NOT find > > covered was that > > of " Other > > > Divisional Charts " … > > > > > > Are you referring to all of the16 amsha's plus the > > 4 Tajika vargas, > > or just > > > a few of the vargas covered so far? > > > > > > Most especially of interest to me, (and if you are > > referring to the > > Tajika > > > vargas also) is I would really like your view on > > the divisional > > 11th - > > > Ekadasamsha or Rukramsha. There is some confusion > > arising out of > > this and > > > differing views. Where some scholars consider it > > to be the amsha > > for judging > > > longevity, death, destruction, and wars > > (B.V.Raman), others see it > > as > > > identifying the income and gains (V.K.Choudhry and > > Iyer). So I am > > interested > > > in knowing how you identity the significations of > > the Ekadasamsha? > > > > > > If you or any list member knows where these topics > > are covered in > > the > > > Lessons given so far, we would all be happy to > > know…Thanks! > > > > > > ~Namaste~ > > > Sandy > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > Make a great connection at Personals. > http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hi, Thanks for the reply. But does that mean traditional Vedic astrology ideas will not be welcome here? Regards Narahari , DQuinn12@A... wrote: > Dear Narahari - > > > > This discussion of Divisional varga;s is indeed intresting. But never- > > the-ness the study of Varga's are indeed imporatant. Else worng > > predictions are the result. for example, Ex-CM of Tamilnadu Dr. J. > > Jayalaitha has gemini lagna with 7th lord Guru in saggitarius > > generating Hamsa mahapurusha yoga and the 5th lord veuns is exalted > > in the 10th! neither did she have a conventional marriage nor any > > children of her own. > > > > > > > Welcome to the group, Narahari. I notice that you're a fairly new member on > this list and I'm sure your qualifications are more than adequate. . . BUT. . > . . we are ALL on a different playground now and it sort of requires everyone > who attempts Krushna's system to just try to put aside preconceptions from > their own system and approach it from a totaly fresh viewpoint. It's very > hard to do for some of us because alot of Krushna's ideas may seem to go > against the norm of traditional Vedic astrology perhaps. But the fact > remains. His system is VERY accurate and for that reason alone, perhaps you > should read the lessons first and learn the system first before coming to any > definite conclusions. ) > > Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hi, Thanks for the reply. But does that mean traditional Vedic astrology ideas will not be welcome here? Regards Narahari , DQuinn12@A... wrote: > Dear Narahari - > > > > This discussion of Divisional varga;s is indeed intresting. But never- > > the-ness the study of Varga's are indeed imporatant. Else worng > > predictions are the result. for example, Ex-CM of Tamilnadu Dr. J. > > Jayalaitha has gemini lagna with 7th lord Guru in saggitarius > > generating Hamsa mahapurusha yoga and the 5th lord veuns is exalted > > in the 10th! neither did she have a conventional marriage nor any > > children of her own. > > > > > > > Welcome to the group, Narahari. I notice that you're a fairly new member on > this list and I'm sure your qualifications are more than adequate. . . BUT. . > . . we are ALL on a different playground now and it sort of requires everyone > who attempts Krushna's system to just try to put aside preconceptions from > their own system and approach it from a totaly fresh viewpoint. It's very > hard to do for some of us because alot of Krushna's ideas may seem to go > against the norm of traditional Vedic astrology perhaps. But the fact > remains. His system is VERY accurate and for that reason alone, perhaps you > should read the lessons first and learn the system first before coming to any > definite conclusions. ) > > Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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