Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Hello Peter, Well, main periods seem to be the hardest to related to an event but I'll try again. Death of father : I will first find planets with low points for the 9th; these are Sun and Venus. Looking at the 4th (8th from the 9th) we see that Mars is lord of A and B, Son lord of C and Saturn and Mercury lords of D and E. Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn have high points, so her father could already have died in Mars/Saturn or Mars/Mercury (1930-32). But it also could have happened between Rahu/Saturn or Rahu/Mercury (1940/45) although I don't see a relationship between the mainlord Mars and Rahu (not exactly required) Death of mother: By either taking the 3th or the 4th for mother I end up with RAHU/SUN (1950)I looked at either 11th (8th for mother as 4th) or the 10th (8th for mother as 3th). I think we could perhaps as Krushna for his light on this topic as there seems to be some confusion. Best regards Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 OK Peter, Your reasoning is much easier to follow. Perhaps I have the art to complicate things. Yes, the 3th lord from any house becomes the significator for the " death " of that house (which is house A for the 8th). Now if her father died in 1963. I agree that Venus cannot give results because she lacks the points. So my eye just felt on the 8th house, which is the 12th fomr the 9th. There Jupiter and Venus stand out as main culprits ; Jupiter Lord of A and C and Venus lord of D with 19 points. We probably have to look at more houses, but I don't know if my brain can cope ???? As for the mother. If you take the 5th house, the Jupiter is lord of A, as mainlord he is OK. But Krushna told us that the mainlord is not always related to house A, but Venus and Moon have enough points but Venus aspects house A for the 10th as B so I suppose it was Jupiter/Moon???? Best regards Margarita Peter [petermay] Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:10 AM Margarita Lettens Re: death of parents in your wife's shart Dear Margarita, I will try and follow your example by following the points in short letters one by one. By the way my letters are not coming through today on the list letters (it changes day by day) so could you post my replies to the list so that they all get the answers. Now looking at the death of her father first. You say that you will first look at those planets with low points in the 9th and they are the Sun and Venus. This is true but you then do not mention these planets again so what was the point of looking at them in the first place. Next I was able to follow the rest of your arumen but unfortunately it did not lead to the correct answer. Now using the technique which I read from the letter by Krushna I came up with the following. With 9th representing the father the lord of, or planets in the 11th (3rd from the 9th) will give the sub-period for death which gives either Mars (ruler, Sun, or Venus) of those Venus has the lowest points in the 11th and is the Lord of the 12th for 11th so cannot do good. I would opt for Venus sub-period. Of course I know that it is in fact during the Venus sub-period so perhaps I'm cheating a bit here. I could not find any reason for the main period which is Jupiter ( Death 15 March 1963) - perhaps you can. Using the same technique for the mother the 5th is the 3rd from the 3rd and is Taurus ruled by Venus and containing the Moon so it could be either Moon or Venus. As Venus is Lord of E it wants to give a result so again I opt for Venus, again I cannot find a reason for the main period which is again Jupiter. Jupiter is however Lord of the 12th in the Rasi so perhaps that has something to do with it. Peter Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Dear Margarita, I thought I had given you the dates of the deaths of both May's parents. They both died in the same Jupiter/Venus period. The mother on 9th Sept. 1961 and the father on 15th March 1963. These follow if you use the 3rd house from the significator reasoning. Father: 3rd house from the 9th is the 11th in which Venus resides (death can be in the sub period of the lord or a planet which resides there) Thus Venus qualifies regardless of aspects it is also samdharmi to the lord Mars. Mother 3rd house from the 3rd gives the 6th which is Taurus and its lord is Venus it is also lord of B and of E therefore is keen to give the result. It does not have any aspect to other upchaya houses. Thus Venus qualifies easily - it also as high points. Peter Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, I am following the discussion. One silly doubt arises. Death is not a happy event. So should the result of house for death be given by a planet having low point or high point? Thanks for the clarification in advance, Regards, Dasgupta - Peter ; dmlettens Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:38 PM Re: death of parents in your wife's shart Dear Margarita,I thought I had given you the dates of the deaths of both May's parents.They both died in the same Jupiter/Venus period. The mother on 9th Sept.1961 and the father on 15th March 1963. These follow if you use the 3rdhouse from the significator reasoning.Father: 3rd house from the 9th is the 11th in which Venus resides (death canbe in the sub period of the lord or a planet which resides there) Thus Venusqualifies regardless of aspects it is also samdharmi to the lord Mars.Mother3rd house from the 3rd gives the 6th which is Taurus and its lord is Venusit is also lord of B and of E therefore is keen to give the result. It doesnot have any aspect to other upchaya houses. Thus Venus qualifies easily -it also as high points.PeterNamaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Dear Dasgupta, Death occures in the sub of the planet having more points. When we consider any event, we get the result in the sub of the planet having more points. Eight house denotes death, so for the result of 8th house, will also be experienced in the sub of the planet having more points. Here perticularly for death, the main lord is playing important role. Now discussion about death, wether it is a happy event or bad event, is purely philosophical subject. ( better if you refer GITA) krushna , " J.K.Dasgupta " <dga@b...> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > I am following the discussion. One silly doubt arises. Death is not a happy event. So should the result of house for death be given by a planet having low point or high point? > > Thanks for the clarification in advance, > > Regards, > > Dasgupta > > - > Peter > ; dmlettens > Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:38 PM > Re: death of parents in your wife's shart > > > Dear Margarita, > I thought I had given you the dates of the deaths of both May's parents. > They both died in the same Jupiter/Venus period. The mother on 9th Sept. > 1961 and the father on 15th March 1963. These follow if you use the 3rd > house from the significator reasoning. > Father: 3rd house from the 9th is the 11th in which Venus resides (death can > be in the sub period of the lord or a planet which resides there) Thus Venus > qualifies regardless of aspects it is also samdharmi to the lord Mars. > > Mother > 3rd house from the 3rd gives the 6th which is Taurus and its lord is Venus > it is also lord of B and of E therefore is keen to give the result. It does > not have any aspect to other upchaya houses. Thus Venus qualifies easily - > it also as high points. > > Peter > Namaste > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thanks for the clarification. Yes, whether death is a happy event or bad event, is purely philosophical subject and shall vary person to person. Do you mean that which planet (with more point or less point?) will be give such results shall depend upon the conception of the native? For example, 1. death of a terminaly ill and ailing patient may be a logically happy event to all. Will the planets with more point gives result here? 2. death of a lively young person is surely a sad event. Will the planets with less point gives result here? OR, will planets with more points only give result for a particular event- whether good or bad? In this case I think it is logical to say that planets with less points will give opposite result. Say for example-regarding 8th house matter (when longivity is concerned), planets with more points will give trouble and planets with less points will do good. Regards Dasgupta - krushanain Saturday, November 10, 2001 12:31 AM Re: death of parents in your wife's shart Dear Dasgupta, Death occures in the sub of the planet having more points. When we consider any event, we get the result in the sub of the planet having more points. Eight house denotes death, so for the result of 8th house, will also be experienced in the sub of the planet having more points. Here perticularly for death, the main lord is playing important role. Now discussion about death, wether it is a happy event or bad event, is purely philosophical subject. ( better if you refer GITA)krushna , "J.K.Dasgupta" <dga@b...> wrote:> Respected Krushnaji,> > I am following the discussion. One silly doubt arises. Death is not a happy event. So should the result of house for death be given by a planet having low point or high point?> > Thanks for the clarification in advance,> > Regards,> > Dasgupta> > - > Peter > ; dmlettens > Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:38 PM> Re: death of parents in your wife's shart> > > Dear Margarita,> I thought I had given you the dates of the deaths of both May's parents.> They both died in the same Jupiter/Venus period. The mother on 9th Sept.> 1961 and the father on 15th March 1963. These follow if you use the 3rd> house from the significator reasoning.> Father: 3rd house from the 9th is the 11th in which Venus resides (death can> be in the sub period of the lord or a planet which resides there) Thus Venus> qualifies regardless of aspects it is also samdharmi to the lord Mars.> > Mother> 3rd house from the 3rd gives the 6th which is Taurus and its lord is Venus> it is also lord of B and of E therefore is keen to give the result. It does> not have any aspect to other upchaya houses. Thus Venus qualifies easily -> it also as high points.> > Peter> Namaste> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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