death of parents in your wife's shart (Rectification required)

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita, and other list members,

Before calculating the results of any chart, and perticularly

charts of old aged persons, ( also for current period) the birth time

should be rectified. Once should check when the Ascendent is on the

cusp chart for both sign should be checked.

This chart should be corrected for B.O.T. If you take birth

time 12:09 pm you will find much easier to find the events.

The marriage, when no child is there, generally happens in

the sub of the planet having less points.

Any how your effort is very nice, and you remember all the

laws. I have not read all your messages, I will read them and will

give comment on them. Please alway note that when any perticular

law is not applying there must be some problem with the B.O.T.

 

Thanks

krushna

 

 

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

>

> OK Peter, Your reasoning is much easier to follow. Perhaps I have

the art to

> complicate things. Yes, the 3th lord from any house becomes the

significator

> for the " death " of that house (which is house A for the 8th). Now

if her

> father died in 1963. I agree that Venus cannot give results because

she

> lacks the points. So my eye just felt on the 8th house, which is

the 12th

> fomr the 9th. There Jupiter and Venus stand out as main culprits ;

Jupiter

> Lord of A and C and Venus lord of D with 19 points. We probably

have to look

> at more houses, but I don't know if my brain can cope ????

> As for the mother. If you take the 5th house, the Jupiter is lord

of A, as

> mainlord he is OK. But Krushna told us that the mainlord is not

always

> related to house A, but Venus and Moon have enough points but Venus

aspects

> house A for the 10th as B so I suppose it was Jupiter/Moon????

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> Peter [petermay@p...]

> Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:10 AM

> Margarita Lettens

> Re: death of parents in your

wife's

> shart

>

>

> Dear Margarita,

> I will try and follow your example by following the points in short

letters

> one by one. By the way my letters are not coming through today on

the list

> letters (it changes day by day) so could you post my replies to the

list so

> that they all get the answers.

> Now looking at the death of her father first. You say that you will

first

> look at those planets with low points in the 9th and they are the

Sun and

> Venus. This is true but you then do not mention these planets again

so what

> was the point of looking at them in the first place.

> Next I was able to follow the rest of your arumen but unfortunately

it did

> not lead to the correct answer.

> Now using the technique which I read from the letter by Krushna I

came up

> with the following. With 9th representing the father the lord of,

or planets

> in the 11th (3rd from the 9th) will give the sub-period for death

which

> gives either Mars (ruler, Sun, or Venus) of those Venus has the

lowest

> points in the 11th and is the Lord of the 12th for 11th so cannot

do good. I

> would opt for Venus sub-period. Of course I know that it is in

fact during

> the Venus sub-period so perhaps I'm cheating a bit here. I could

not find

> any reason for the main period which is Jupiter ( Death 15 March

1963) -

> perhaps you can.

> Using the same technique for the mother the 5th is the 3rd from the

3rd and

> is Taurus ruled by Venus and containing the Moon so it could be

either Moon

> or Venus. As Venus is Lord of E it wants to give a result so again

I opt for

> Venus, again I cannot find a reason for the main period which is

again

> Jupiter. Jupiter is however Lord of the 12th in the Rasi so perhaps

that has

> something to do with it.

>

> Peter Namaste

[Guest guest]

Thank you Krushna, I understand what you say, but nothing in the chart indicated that she could not have children. Of course I only focused on the rules concerning Mars and Rahu, but perhaps there are other laws involved ?

Thanks again

Margarita

 

krushanain [krushanain]Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: Re: death of parents in your wife's shart (Rectification required)Dear Margarita, and other list members, Before calculating the results of any chart, and perticularly charts of old aged persons, ( also for current period) the birth time should be rectified. Once should check when the Ascendent is on the cusp chart for both sign should be checked. This chart should be corrected for B.O.T. If you take birth time 12:09 pm you will find much easier to find the events. The marriage, when no child is there, generally happens in the sub of the planet having less points. Any how your effort is very nice, and you remember all the laws. I have not read all your messages, I will read them and will give comment on them. Please alway note that when any perticular law is not applying there must be some problem with the B.O.T. Thanks krushna , "dmlettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > OK Peter, Your reasoning is much easier to follow. Perhaps I have the art to> complicate things. Yes, the 3th lord from any house becomes the significator> for the "death" of that house (which is house A for the 8th). Now if her> father died in 1963. I agree that Venus cannot give results because she> lacks the points. So my eye just felt on the 8th house, which is the 12th> fomr the 9th. There Jupiter and Venus stand out as main culprits ; Jupiter> Lord of A and C and Venus lord of D with 19 points. We probably have to look> at more houses, but I don't know if my brain can cope ????> As for the mother. If you take the 5th house, the Jupiter is lord of A, as> mainlord he is OK. But Krushna told us that the mainlord is not always> related to house A, but Venus and Moon have enough points but Venus aspects> house A for the 10th as B so I suppose it was Jupiter/Moon????> Best regards> Margarita> > Peter [petermay@p...]> Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:10 AM> Margarita Lettens> Re: death of parents in your wife's> shart> > > Dear Margarita,> I will try and follow your example by following the points in short letters> one by one. By the way my letters are not coming through today on the list> letters (it changes day by day) so could you post my replies to the list so> that they all get the answers.> Now looking at the death of her father first. You say that you will first> look at those planets with low points in the 9th and they are the Sun and> Venus. This is true but you then do not mention these planets again so what> was the point of looking at them in the first place.> Next I was able to follow the rest of your arumen but unfortunately it did> not lead to the correct answer.> Now using the technique which I read from the letter by Krushna I came up> with the following. With 9th representing the father the lord of, or planets> in the 11th (3rd from the 9th) will give the sub-period for death which> gives either Mars (ruler, Sun, or Venus) of those Venus has the lowest> points in the 11th and is the Lord of the 12th for 11th so cannot do good. I> would opt for Venus sub-period. Of course I know that it is in fact during> the Venus sub-period so perhaps I'm cheating a bit here. I could not find> any reason for the main period which is Jupiter ( Death 15 March 1963) -> perhaps you can.> Using the same technique for the mother the 5th is the 3rd from the 3rd and> is Taurus ruled by Venus and containing the Moon so it could be either Moon> or Venus. As Venus is Lord of E it wants to give a result so again I opt for> Venus, again I cannot find a reason for the main period which is again> Jupiter. Jupiter is however Lord of the 12th in the Rasi so perhaps that has> something to do with it.> > Peter Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

I agree with you about checking the TOB but in this case I think that your

corrected time does not really fit the facts. My wifes TOB is not know

exactly but it has been confirmed by 3 different people that it was just

BEFORE 12 noon. I rectified it to the 11:59am as given and this was checked

by toher astrologers who agreed with that time.

I am not very confident in my normal rectification techniques but on this

occasion I used a Uranian technique which, like astakavarga is done

mathematically and is usually reliable.It is nto easy to do however.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

I agree with you that the birth time is just before Noon, and

at that place on that day noon time was 12:10:15. Sun Rise 08:15:10

and Sun set 03:40:21 pm. So 12:09 is just before noon.

Chart with this time is agree with most of the events.

krushna

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> I agree with you about checking the TOB but in this case I think

that your

> corrected time does not really fit the facts. My wifes TOB is not

know

> exactly but it has been confirmed by 3 different people that it was

just

> BEFORE 12 noon. I rectified it to the 11:59am as given and this was

checked

> by toher astrologers who agreed with that time.

> I am not very confident in my normal rectification techniques but

on this

> occasion I used a Uranian technique which, like astakavarga is done

> mathematically and is usually reliable.It is nto easy to do however.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

I have find the results in Peter's chart, which I was

remembering. In his chart, the favourable period which can give child

was a very short. So it was a doubtful case for giving any child.

So obviously his wife can not have child. A very important

rule for denial of child birth is if 1st, 5th and 7th lord are with

less points for 5th house, then there is very little chance for child

birth.

For male chart, we should consider 5th house, but for female

we should consider fifth house along with 11th house.

10th house is also having importance, If 1st, 7th, and 5th

lord are with less points in 10th house, it also leads to denial of

child.

In the present case ( with rectified chart) Saturn is lagna

lord, Mercury is 5th lord and Sun is seventh lord, and for 5th house

Sun and mercury is with less points, and saturn is having 12 points,

which is minimum, So it can give result on both side.

For Geminy, Virgo, Capricorn and aquarus are in fifth house,

and aspected by Saturn with less points, and fifth lord is also with

or aspected by saturn, it also deny the child birth.

For female chart, if 4th lord and 8th lord is with less

points in 5th and 11th house, it also reduces chances for child

birth.

As per vedic astrolgy if retrogated Jupiter is situated in

5th it also deny the child birth.

Other laws connected with Mars and Rahu are considered for

abortion, scissoring, miscarry, perticularly for male child.

 

For this chart, I read your findings, about the death of

mother and father, and your confusion. For death, the main lord or

it's samdharmi should be involved. So I rectified the chart, on the

basis of the events of the life.

Now in some other mail Peterji said that he have rectified

the chart, on the basis of findings of some asrologers, that it

should be just before NOON. He have taken 12:00 o'clock as noon,

which is not correct. The Noon is mid day time for the place of

birth, it can not be as per Standard time. For finding the Noon we

must find the Sun rise, and Sun set for the place. The time between

these two is known as DINMAN ( Day time), Adding half of Dinman to

Sun rise, we Get MADHYANYA time (Noon). So the birth time taken by me

is well in line with the astrologers who have given the rectified

time.

I also remember one more result for Peter's chart, I told him

that he must be dominating his wife, and she must be getting

dominated. He have denied the result, Now it is also clear, with the

new rectified time She is having 29 points in Lagna, ( Which are as

per last time only 24). Person with more then 28 points in Lagna

generally have more confidence.

By the way I also remember one more result, If any planet in

5th house with more then 4 points, and if aspected by the fifth lord

with more points, the person adopts children. Here Jupiter is

situated with 4 points (it is not with more then 4 points) and 5th

lord Mercury is having it's malefic sight on Jupiter.

krushna

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Thank you Krushna, I understand what you say, but nothing in the

chart

> indicated that she could not have children. Of course I only

focused on the

> rules concerning Mars and Rahu, but perhaps there are other laws

involved ?

> Thanks again

> Margarita

>

> krushanain@h... [krushanain@h...]

> Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:53 PM

>

> Re: death of parents in your

wife's

> shart (Rectification required)

>

>

> Dear Margarita, and other list members,

> Before calculating the results of any chart, and

perticularly

> charts of old aged persons, ( also for current period) the birth

time

> should be rectified. Once should check when the Ascendent is on

the

> cusp chart for both sign should be checked.

> This chart should be corrected for B.O.T. If you take birth

> time 12:09 pm you will find much easier to find the events.

> The marriage, when no child is there, generally happens in

> the sub of the planet having less points.

> Any how your effort is very nice, and you remember all the

> laws. I have not read all your messages, I will read them and will

> give comment on them. Please alway note that when any

perticular

> law is not applying there must be some problem with the B.O.T.

>

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

>

> , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > OK Peter, Your reasoning is much easier to follow. Perhaps I

have

> the art to

> > complicate things. Yes, the 3th lord from any house becomes the

> significator

> > for the " death " of that house (which is house A for the 8th).

Now

> if her

> > father died in 1963. I agree that Venus cannot give results

because

> she

> > lacks the points. So my eye just felt on the 8th house, which is

> the 12th

> > fomr the 9th. There Jupiter and Venus stand out as main

culprits ;

> Jupiter

> > Lord of A and C and Venus lord of D with 19 points. We probably

> have to look

> > at more houses, but I don't know if my brain can cope ????

> > As for the mother. If you take the 5th house, the Jupiter is

lord

> of A, as

> > mainlord he is OK. But Krushna told us that the mainlord is not

> always

> > related to house A, but Venus and Moon have enough points but

Venus

> aspects

> > house A for the 10th as B so I suppose it was Jupiter/Moon????

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

> > Peter [petermay@p...]

> > Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:10 AM

> > Margarita Lettens

> > Re: death of parents in your

> wife's

> > shart

> >

> >

> > Dear Margarita,

> > I will try and follow your example by following the points in

short

> letters

> > one by one. By the way my letters are not coming through today

on

> the list

> > letters (it changes day by day) so could you post my replies to

the

> list so

> > that they all get the answers.

> > Now looking at the death of her father first. You say that you

will

> first

> > look at those planets with low points in the 9th and they are

the

> Sun and

> > Venus. This is true but you then do not mention these planets

again

> so what

> > was the point of looking at them in the first place.

> > Next I was able to follow the rest of your arumen but

unfortunately

> it did

> > not lead to the correct answer.

> > Now using the technique which I read from the letter by Krushna

I

> came up

> > with the following. With 9th representing the father the lord

of,

> or planets

> > in the 11th (3rd from the 9th) will give the sub-period for

death

> which

> > gives either Mars (ruler, Sun, or Venus) of those Venus has the

> lowest

> > points in the 11th and is the Lord of the 12th for 11th so

cannot

> do good. I

> > would opt for Venus sub-period. Of course I know that it is in

> fact during

> > the Venus sub-period so perhaps I'm cheating a bit here. I could

> not find

> > any reason for the main period which is Jupiter ( Death 15 March

> 1963) -

> > perhaps you can.

> > Using the same technique for the mother the 5th is the 3rd from

the

> 3rd and

> > is Taurus ruled by Venus and containing the Moon so it could be

> either Moon

> > or Venus. As Venus is Lord of E it wants to give a result so

again

> I opt for

> > Venus, again I cannot find a reason for the main period which is

> again

> > Jupiter. Jupiter is however Lord of the 12th in the Rasi so

perhaps

> that has

> > something to do with it.

> >

> > Peter Namaste

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

Thank you very much for your feed back. I will go through the chart again with corrected TOB. I realize that there are a lot of things I ignore but perhaps it will be more clear now.

Best regards

Margarita

 

krushanain [krushanain]Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: death of parents in your wife's shart (Rectification required)Dear Margarita, I have find the results in Peter's chart, which I was remembering. In his chart, the favourable period which can give child was a very short. So it was a doubtful case for giving any child. So obviously his wife can not have child. A very important rule for denial of child birth is if 1st, 5th and 7th lord are with less points for 5th house, then there is very little chance for child birth. For male chart, we should consider 5th house, but for female we should consider fifth house along with 11th house. 10th house is also having importance, If 1st, 7th, and 5th lord are with less points in 10th house, it also leads to denial of child. In the present case ( with rectified chart) Saturn is lagna lord, Mercury is 5th lord and Sun is seventh lord, and for 5th house Sun and mercury is with less points, and saturn is having 12 points, which is minimum, So it can give result on both side. For Geminy, Virgo, Capricorn and aquarus are in fifth house, and aspected by Saturn with less points, and fifth lord is also with or aspected by saturn, it also deny the child birth. For female chart, if 4th lord and 8th lord is with less points in 5th and 11th house, it also reduces chances for child birth. As per vedic astrolgy if retrogated Jupiter is situated in 5th it also deny the child birth. Other laws connected with Mars and Rahu are considered for abortion, scissoring, miscarry, perticularly for male child. For this chart, I read your findings, about the death of mother and father, and your confusion. For death, the main lord or it's samdharmi should be involved. So I rectified the chart, on the basis of the events of the life. Now in some other mail Peterji said that he have rectified the chart, on the basis of findings of some asrologers, that it should be just before NOON. He have taken 12:00 o'clock as noon, which is not correct. The Noon is mid day time for the place of birth, it can not be as per Standard time. For finding the Noon we must find the Sun rise, and Sun set for the place. The time between these two is known as DINMAN ( Day time), Adding half of Dinman to Sun rise, we Get MADHYANYA time (Noon). So the birth time taken by me is well in line with the astrologers who have given the rectified time. I also remember one more result for Peter's chart, I told him that he must be dominating his wife, and she must be getting dominated. He have denied the result, Now it is also clear, with the new rectified time She is having 29 points in Lagna, ( Which are as per last time only 24). Person with more then 28 points in Lagna generally have more confidence. By the way I also remember one more result, If any planet in 5th house with more then 4 points, and if aspected by the fifth lord with more points, the person adopts children. Here Jupiter is situated with 4 points (it is not with more then 4 points) and 5th lord Mercury is having it's malefic sight on Jupiter. krushna , "dmlettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Thank you Krushna, I understand what you say, but nothing in the chart> indicated that she could not have children. Of course I only focused on the> rules concerning Mars and Rahu, but perhaps there are other laws involved ?> Thanks again> Margarita> > krushanain@h... [krushanain@h...]> Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:53 PM> > Re: death of parents in your wife's> shart (Rectification required)> > > Dear Margarita, and other list members,> Before calculating the results of any chart, and perticularly> charts of old aged persons, ( also for current period) the birth time> should be rectified. Once should check when the Ascendent is on the> cusp chart for both sign should be checked.> This chart should be corrected for B.O.T. If you take birth> time 12:09 pm you will find much easier to find the events.> The marriage, when no child is there, generally happens in> the sub of the planet having less points.> Any how your effort is very nice, and you remember all the> laws. I have not read all your messages, I will read them and will> give comment on them. Please alway note that when any perticular> law is not applying there must be some problem with the B.O.T.> > Thanks> krushna> > > > , "dmlettens" <dmlettens@s...>> wrote:> >> > OK Peter, Your reasoning is much easier to follow. Perhaps I have> the art to> > complicate things. Yes, the 3th lord from any house becomes the> significator> > for the "death" of that house (which is house A for the 8th). Now> if her> > father died in 1963. I agree that Venus cannot give results because> she> > lacks the points. So my eye just felt on the 8th house, which is> the 12th> > fomr the 9th. There Jupiter and Venus stand out as main culprits ;> Jupiter> > Lord of A and C and Venus lord of D with 19 points. We probably> have to look> > at more houses, but I don't know if my brain can cope ????> > As for the mother. If you take the 5th house, the Jupiter is lord> of A, as> > mainlord he is OK. But Krushna told us that the mainlord is not> always> > related to house A, but Venus and Moon have enough points but Venus> aspects> > house A for the 10th as B so I suppose it was Jupiter/Moon????> > Best regards> > Margarita> > > > Peter [petermay@p...]> > Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:10 AM> > Margarita Lettens> > Re: death of parents in your> wife's> > shart> >> >> > Dear Margarita,> > I will try and follow your example by following the points in short> letters> > one by one. By the way my letters are not coming through today on> the list> > letters (it changes day by day) so could you post my replies to the> list so> > that they all get the answers.> > Now looking at the death of her father first. You say that you will> first> > look at those planets with low points in the 9th and they are the> Sun and> > Venus. This is true but you then do not mention these planets again> so what> > was the point of looking at them in the first place.> > Next I was able to follow the rest of your arumen but unfortunately> it did> > not lead to the correct answer.> > Now using the technique which I read from the letter by Krushna I> came up> > with the following. With 9th representing the father the lord of,> or planets> > in the 11th (3rd from the 9th) will give the sub-period for death> which> > gives either Mars (ruler, Sun, or Venus) of those Venus has the> lowest> > points in the 11th and is the Lord of the 12th for 11th so cannot> do good. I> > would opt for Venus sub-period. Of course I know that it is in> fact during> > the Venus sub-period so perhaps I'm cheating a bit here. I could> not find> > any reason for the main period which is Jupiter ( Death 15 March> 1963) -> > perhaps you can.> > Using the same technique for the mother the 5th is the 3rd from the> 3rd and> > is Taurus ruled by Venus and containing the Moon so it could be> either Moon> > or Venus. As Venus is Lord of E it wants to give a result so again> I opt for> > Venus, again I cannot find a reason for the main period which is> again> > Jupiter. Jupiter is however Lord of the 12th in the Rasi so perhaps> that has> > something to do with it.> >> > Peter Namaste> > >

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushma,

I was going to let your point about NOON go from your first letter but since

you choose top make a point of it in your more detailed explanation I must

correct you. In the first place NOON is a clock time and refers only to

12:00pm in the same way that Midnight efers only to 00:00am. The time you

refer to could be described as Mid - Day which is in fact how you refer to

it. However this is only semantics and the real issue is the actual time. I

am not sure about India but in the UK or Australia at least people do not go

by sunrise and sunset they go by the clock and when the comment before NOON

is made THAT refers to 12:00pm irrespective of when Sunrise and sunset are.

In this case the people who made the comment were her 2 elder sisters who

were there at the birth and they independently gave the time without knowing

what the other one had said, in fact one was in Australia and one still in

the UK. Those were non astrological people. There is one other point while

still at junior school my wife had a dispute regarding who was the elder her

or another boy who was born just after 12.00pm. Their dispute was taken to

their parents and my wife was told that she was the elder by a few minutes

as she had been born a few minutes before 12:00pm Noon.

Then, at a much later date, using Uranian astrology, I personally rectified

it to 11:59:11am . This time was disputed on another list and several

astrologers looked at the chart and they came up with the fact that in their

opinion my rectified time was spot on.

I personally wouldn't swear on any rectified chart and particularly one

which I have rectified myself, after all I am only a student however I do

not think that I can go against the evidence as shown by independent non

astrologers particularly when it is backed up by others.

Perhaps slightly different times are suited for different styles of

astrology - I don't know.

 

With Respect,

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

With due respect for your opinion, I have given the

astrological theory. While calculating, the chart, we convert the

standard time of birth to local time. as per astrological meaning the

madhyan time for a place is Noon time, and at that time for that

place it should be taken as 12:00 pm.

You are having references with standard time or clock time at

that place ( GMT) so I have no objection. The events for death of

parents and some other events match with time 12:09 pm.

krushna

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushma,

> I was going to let your point about NOON go from your first letter

but since

> you choose top make a point of it in your more detailed explanation

I must

> correct you. In the first place NOON is a clock time and refers

only to

> 12:00pm in the same way that Midnight efers only to 00:00am. The

time you

> refer to could be described as Mid - Day which is in fact how you

refer to

> it. However this is only semantics and the real issue is the actual

time. I

> am not sure about India but in the UK or Australia at least people

do not go

> by sunrise and sunset they go by the clock and when the comment

before NOON

> is made THAT refers to 12:00pm irrespective of when Sunrise and

sunset are.

> In this case the people who made the comment were her 2 elder

sisters who

> were there at the birth and they independently gave the time

without knowing

> what the other one had said, in fact one was in Australia and one

still in

> the UK. Those were non astrological people. There is one other

point while

> still at junior school my wife had a dispute regarding who was the

elder her

> or another boy who was born just after 12.00pm. Their dispute was

taken to

> their parents and my wife was told that she was the elder by a few

minutes

> as she had been born a few minutes before 12:00pm Noon.

> Then, at a much later date, using Uranian astrology, I personally

rectified

> it to 11:59:11am . This time was disputed on another list and

several

> astrologers looked at the chart and they came up with the fact that

in their

> opinion my rectified time was spot on.

> I personally wouldn't swear on any rectified chart and particularly

one

> which I have rectified myself, after all I am only a student

however I do

> not think that I can go against the evidence as shown by

independent non

> astrologers particularly when it is backed up by others.

> Perhaps slightly different times are suited for different styles of

> astrology - I don't know.

>

> With Respect,

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear

Peter, Margarita, and Krushna,

 

Peter…I haven’t

yet had the time to run off all the ashtakavarga charts and do the Worksheet on

May’s chart, but I was just checking some classical vedic principles and Iyer

techniques against Krushna’s rectified time of 12:09, and things seem to line

up very well…So please don’t be too eager to dismiss Krushna’s rectified time. J

 

I may not

be able to work on it much this week-end, but I will look at it further and get

back to you. In the meantime, I think our busy little bee, Margarita, is busily

checking out the new time that Krushna gave against the worksheet.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

-----Original

Message-----

Peter

[petermay]

Thursday, November 08, 2001

4:23 AM

;

krushanain

Re:

Re: death of parents in your wife's shart

(Rectification required)

 

Respected Krushna,

I agree with you about checking the TOB but in this case I think that your

corrected time does not really fit the facts. My wifes TOB is not know

exactly but it has been confirmed by 3 different people that it was just

BEFORE 12 noon. I rectified it to the 11:59am as given and this was checked

by toher astrologers who agreed with that time.

I am not very confident in my normal rectification techniques but on this

occasion I used a Uranian technique which, like astakavarga is done

mathematically and is usually reliable.It is nto easy to do however.

 

Peter

Namaste

 

 

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Yes, indeed Sandy, I will check again but perhaps later because the "busy little bee" will be off for a week on vacation. I hope this will clear my head a bit.

Best regards to all

Margarita

 

Sandy Crowther [sandy]Friday, November 09, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: death of parents in your wife's shart (Rectification required)

 

Dear Peter, Margarita, and Krushna,

 

Peter…I haven’t yet had the time to run off all the ashtakavarga charts and do the Worksheet on May’s chart, but I was just checking some classical vedic principles and Iyer techniques against Krushna’s rectified time of 12:09, and things seem to line up very well…So please don’t be too eager to dismiss Krushna’s rectified time. J

 

I may not be able to work on it much this week-end, but I will look at it further and get back to you. In the meantime, I think our busy little bee, Margarita, is busily checking out the new time that Krushna gave against the worksheet.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

Peter [petermay]Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:23 AM ; krushanainSubject: Re: Re: death of parents in your wife's shart (Rectification required)

 

Respected Krushna,I agree with you about checking the TOB but in this case I think that yourcorrected time does not really fit the facts. My wifes TOB is not knowexactly but it has been confirmed by 3 different people that it was justBEFORE 12 noon. I rectified it to the 11:59am as given and this was checkedby toher astrologers who agreed with that time.I am not very confident in my normal rectification techniques but on thisoccasion I used a Uranian technique which, like astakavarga is donemathematically and is usually reliable.It is nto easy to do however.PeterNamaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

 

Well you just make sure you have yourself a wonderful time!:-)

 

I am currently vey busy working on ISP problems, so I don't know how

much activity I will generate either, as my ISP has had a problem

with spammers this week, and is blocking emails from coming through -

so I have to go to the to check messages...And that is a

pain when one is d on several lists!

 

Anyway - have fun!

 

Sandy

 

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Yes, indeed Sandy, I will check again but perhaps later because

the " busy

> little bee " will be off for a week on vacation. I hope this will

clear my

> head a bit.

> Best regards to all

> Margarita

>

> Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...]

> Friday, November 09, 2001 10:23 PM

>

> RE: Re: death of parents in

your

> wife's shart (Rectification required)

>

>

> Dear Peter, Margarita, and Krushna,

>

>

>

> Peter…I haven't yet had the time to run off all the ashtakavarga

charts

> and do the Worksheet on May's chart, but I was just checking some

classical

> vedic principles and Iyer techniques against Krushna's rectified

time of

> 12:09, and things seem to line up very well…So please don't be too

eager to

> dismiss Krushna's rectified time. J

>

>

>

> I may not be able to work on it much this week-end, but I will

look at it

> further and get back to you. In the meantime, I think our busy

little bee,

> Margarita, is busily checking out the new time that Krushna gave

against the

> worksheet.

>

>

>

> ~Namaste~

>

> Sandy

>

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/

>

>

>

>

> Peter [petermay@p...]

> Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:23 AM

> ; krushanain@h...

> Re: Re: death of parents in

your

> wife's shart (Rectification required)

>

>

>

> Respected Krushna,

> I agree with you about checking the TOB but in this case I think

that your

> corrected time does not really fit the facts. My wifes TOB is not

know

> exactly but it has been confirmed by 3 different people that it

was just

> BEFORE 12 noon. I rectified it to the 11:59am as given and this

was

> checked

> by toher astrologers who agreed with that time.

> I am not very confident in my normal rectification techniques but

on this

> occasion I used a Uranian technique which, like astakavarga is

done

> mathematically and is usually reliable.It is nto easy to do

however.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

This brings up a point which I have always pondered over. I have come across

several charts which according to astrologers have the wrong time of birth.

Now I am aware that some astrologers have a habit of rectifying all charts

so they fit all the events in a persons life, in fact when studying Uranian

we were instructed to do this (rectify every chart). The problem is that for

several charts which I have seen rectified so that the events fitted in with

the charts I have been present at the birth (at least in the next room at

the hospital) and have actually checked that time of birth knowing that

Hospital times can often be quite a bit out. I fact I was present at the

birth of both my foster daughters children and although the time was

registered quite accuratel by the hospital clock I actually checked the

clock using the special time signal on the radio (which is always accurate)

and found the hospital clock out by 41/2 minutes.

My problem is that although I have actually been present at several births

and know the birth time is correct the astrologers have rectified the chart

to make the events fit.

So does the actual time of birth and the time needed to make the events fit

alwaays HAVE to be the same!!!. Perhaps the rectified time is the birth time

is the time the baby was SUPPOSED to be born but other facts say high blood

pressure or the fact that the mother has a cold or other such things bring

the baby into the world several minutes (and sometimes over an hour)

early!!.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

ÿþ

[Guest guest]

ÿþ

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

the rectification of the birth time, is must. I my self have

experienced with the birth time recorded by the Doctors or Nurses,

very upto 20 to 30 minit. Persons born before 1945, this problem is

more, at that time clocks were not running correctly, Mostly the

clocks were with Pedulam, and in Winter it was running fast and in

Summer slow. There were very less means to know the correct time. In

India, No electricity up to 1950, and in many villages even upto

1960. Population of Radio was hardly 1% upto 1952, and it was a very

costly thing. A common man was not able to afford the same. Some time

the clock was adjusted when the Railway vissol was heard, considering

Railway is running right time. In India still Railway time tables are

used for knowing how much late a perticulat train is running. Even in

so many villages there was only one Clock, and that too was adjusted

as per the Railway vissol heard from two Miles. When any birth was

tooking place, the nurse was coming out of the room after all

cleaning, and declairing the birth of child, the head of the house

was giving some present to the nurse, enjoying the news, then some

body was remembering to see the time, asking some body to see the

clock, then some body was going to the house and asking the time then

coming back, and that time was recorded.

Similar things happens in most of the cases.

In my opinion we must rectify the birth time, so that most of

the events should match with the chart.

For your information there is a site

http://www.astroexpert.com,

where there is program based on Shiv Svorodaya Vigyan and Nadi

System, which can confirm the birth of male or Female. Today I have

checked the birth time rectification of your Wife, It gives rectified

time as 12:13:53 PM for a female birth, and acendent given as

Aquarius, It is based on Lahiry Ayanasha, which differs by our

ayanansha by 1 degree and some seconds, so keeping the same Lagna it

may be nearer to 12:09 pm. Which I rectified. Before this time even

up to 11:37 there was no possibility of female birth.

I found 12:09 most suitable for the chart.

thanks, with regards

krushna

 

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> This brings up a point which I have always pondered over. I have

come across

> several charts which according to astrologers have the wrong time

of birth.

> Now I am aware that some astrologers have a habit of rectifying all

charts

> so they fit all the events in a persons life, in fact when studying

Uranian

> we were instructed to do this (rectify every chart). The problem is

that for

> several charts which I have seen rectified so that the events

fitted in with

> the charts I have been present at the birth (at least in the next

room at

> the hospital) and have actually checked that time of birth knowing

that

> Hospital times can often be quite a bit out. I fact I was present

at the

> birth of both my foster daughters children and although the time was

> registered quite accuratel by the hospital clock I actually checked

the

> clock using the special time signal on the radio (which is always

accurate)

> and found the hospital clock out by 41/2 minutes.

> My problem is that although I have actually been present at several

births

> and know the birth time is correct the astrologers have rectified

the chart

> to make the events fit.

> So does the actual time of birth and the time needed to make the

events fit

> alwaays HAVE to be the same!!!. Perhaps the rectified time is the

birth time

> is the time the baby was SUPPOSED to be born but other facts say

high blood

> pressure or the fact that the mother has a cold or other such

things bring

> the baby into the world several minutes (and sometimes over an hour)

> early!!.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

your mail is facing problem, but if it is redirected it

appears nicely. This mail was not having any message, now I am

redirecting, it will appear.

If I find your any mail not appearing I will redirect the

same.

krushna

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Sandy,

> See my latest letter to Krushna. I have had in the past reasons to

believe that perhaps the chart time (actual) and the rectified time

do not HAVE to be the same. Perhaps we should call it the

astrological time of birth.

>

> By the way my emails seem to be varying - one day they all come

through, the next day some come through,and the next day none come

through. So where I know the private address I am sending my letters

both to the list and to the person's private address.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Redirected by krushna

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Sandy,

> See my latest letter to Krushna. I have had in the past reasons to

believe that perhaps the chart time (actual) and the rectified time

do not HAVE to be the same. Perhaps we should call it the

astrological time of birth.

>

> By the way my emails seem to be varying - one day they all come

through, the next day some come through,and the next day none come

through. So where I know the private address I am sending my letters

both to the list and to the person's private address.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

 

I am now

having the opposite problem from Peter…

 

I am able

to SEND all my messages and the content appears, however, I am not receiving ANY

messages from the list or personal emails, from anyone. So if you have emailed

me, I am not ignoring you…I just haven’t received your message. L

 

My ISP was

apparently being spammed, and looks like the end result and solution for them

is to block all mails from coming through to their rs, except an

occasional one here and there that slips through, like the one above from

Krushna. I have received no mails since yesterday from any groups. Hopefully this

will be corrected soon. If not – I’ll get another ISP with better solutions to

SPAM problems. J Thanks.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

Respected Peterji,

your mail is facing

problem, but if it is redirected it

appears nicely. This mail was not having any message, now I am

redirecting, it will appear.

If I find your any mail

not appearing I will redirect the

same.

krushna

, " Peter "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Sandy,

> See my latest letter to Krushna. I have had in the past reasons to

believe that perhaps the chart time (actual) and the rectified time

do not HAVE to be the same. Perhaps we should call it the

astrological time of birth.

>

> By the way my emails seem to be varying - one day they all come

through, the next day some come through,and the next day none come

through. So where I know the private address I am sending my letters

both to the list and to the person's private address.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

 

 

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from this group, send an email to:

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[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

I lnow there is often discrepancies with the birh times as recorded by

hospitals. In my wifes case she was not born ina hospital but at home. In

England in 1930 when she was born just about every house had a radio, in

fact you didn't haveto posses a radio as there was what is now called piped

radio that is the radio is sent through a wire from a central reciever to

each house who wante it for just a small weekly payment. This was in

exsistance in England in 1930 and there was a special time signal sent via

the BBC radio at least once every hour so no one need not know the correct

time. My wife's father ( same as my own father) had a hobby of repairing

clocks and usually had many clocks in for repair each had to be set for the

correct time usimg the time signal from the BBC - it was never wrong!!!.

Having said this I do not wish to throw doubts on your work. As I said in my

letter yesterday I have noted in at least 3 occasions when a very definate

FACTUAL time has been known that the rectified time has been different but

fits the person's life events better than the FACTUAL time. I have the

feeling that there may be 2 times of birth , the ACTUL time of birth by the

clock and the astrological time whihc better fits the life history of the

person. In 99.99 times out of 100 these 2 times will coincide but on the

others something has happened near the birth time to either precipitate or

delay the birth and a discepancy shows up with the astrological time. In

other words there are 2 birth times which may or may not coincide - both are

correct for their own purpose.

The above may bea lot of rubbish but it is the only way I can describe why

on the odd occasion the actual birth time does not coincide with the events

in a persons life.

 

With respect,

Peter

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

I am agree with you, and may be possible. As per vedic

astrology, there is difference of opinion regarding birth time. The

time when the child cry should be noted as birth time. It may take

some time after birth. Some say the of birth should be considered

when the baby is cut ( some part is conected to mother's body, we

call it " NALL " ) and separated from Mother. This time is also delayed

by some minit.

Quite possible this difference of time may be of some

importance.

I do not know after birth, how much time baby takes to for

first cry. Or for cutting the " NALL "

If the Time recorded is actual time of comeing out then there

may be some difference.

May be for this reason the birth time is required to be

corrected.

krushna

 

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> I lnow there is often discrepancies with the birh times as recorded

by

> hospitals. In my wifes case she was not born ina hospital but at

home. In

> England in 1930 when she was born just about every house had a

radio, in

> fact you didn't haveto posses a radio as there was what is now

called piped

> radio that is the radio is sent through a wire from a central

reciever to

> each house who wante it for just a small weekly payment. This was in

> exsistance in England in 1930 and there was a special time signal

sent via

> the BBC radio at least once every hour so no one need not know the

correct

> time. My wife's father ( same as my own father) had a hobby of

repairing

> clocks and usually had many clocks in for repair each had to be set

for the

> correct time usimg the time signal from the BBC - it was never

wrong!!!.

> Having said this I do not wish to throw doubts on your work. As I

said in my

> letter yesterday I have noted in at least 3 occasions when a very

definate

> FACTUAL time has been known that the rectified time has been

different but

> fits the person's life events better than the FACTUAL time. I have

the

> feeling that there may be 2 times of birth , the ACTUL time of

birth by the

> clock and the astrological time whihc better fits the life history

of the

> person. In 99.99 times out of 100 these 2 times will coincide but

on the

> others something has happened near the birth time to either

precipitate or

> delay the birth and a discepancy shows up with the astrological

time. In

> other words there are 2 birth times which may or may not coincide -

both are

> correct for their own purpose.

> The above may bea lot of rubbish but it is the only way I can

describe why

> on the odd occasion the actual birth time does not coincide with

the events

> in a persons life.

>

> With respect,

> Peter